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You could get the 44 gallon as well, i cant see them using a different product. If its the same grades as sold in the shop then it would be the same, its not viable to make 2 oils of the same grade for different market. Cheaper to make 1 grade. What they can do is just fill the drums with a different brand which i reckon would happen a bit. If your engine fails due 2 the oil and it doesnt test up to the advertised product, they'd be in strife. There are some workshop grades i know Castrol make it, different to what is available in store etc. I saw it once at a ultra tune. Still doesnt mean it is inferior. Some places use a mixed fleet oil, and it may be even better than the one you usually get if it has a strong diesel spec etc.Originally Posted by Johnsy
15000k's on Mobl 1 is no issue. If you using straight mineral, if its SM it can make 10,000. I have been told on another forum this is due to the extra capacity sump in the new Holdens. Makes sense as more oil to wear and get dirty.
I was a devout Penrite user, but have recently tried Nulon full synthetic. I'm 3000k's into the new batch and have noticed a free-er rev, but the lifters are a tiny bit noisier than what they were with the Penrite. Overall it is a good performer, fuel and oil consumption is the same as before the change.
I drop my oil every 5000k's. Depending upon the condition and colour of the new Nulon, I may stick with it. So far, so good.
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vx_calais, what do you know about valvoline synpower 10w-50 and 5w-40
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quick question vx calais, what oil grade would best suit a 355 stroker? engines done 300+ but has been rebuilt 20,000 ago. sitting in a 91 vg ute
andyman, it is an excellent oil. Best oil Valvoline have here, excellent specs. Group 3 Hydrocracked Oil, i picked up a few bottles of 10W50 for $45 not long ago, shop around, its well priced, highest i seen it was around $60?? which is better than Castrol Edge at most times. You could alternate between the 2 from winter to summer, or use either one all year round.
Rebuilt, depending on what you have done, the thing can pretty much be a baby. NIce Engine. You got a solid cam in it ? Zinc would be your best friend if that is the case. Grade, use anything from a 5W40 (Mobil 3000) to a 15W50. Oils that i recommend to you in order are Caltex Delo 400 Multigrade 15W40, then Mobil Delvac 15W40(Either Mobil bottle for $35 or Repco bottled for $28). Run those oils, cheap enough to change whenever you like, but can easily for 10,000k's. I dont know what internal works you did, so wear rates may be up for a few thousand k's more. If you want higher, Delo400 and Delvac both have higher level versions but are expensive and you need to order direct. The ones i mentioned to u, are easily available (K-Mart, BigW, Repco etc.) and will go par on par with any oil. They are Diesel/Petrol oils as well, as they will contain the highest levels of Zinc.
Another excellent new one to try is Pennzoil Heavy Duty Gold 15W40. Available in 20 litres from Repco, http://www.pennzoil.com.au/downloads...Oil_15W-40.pdf . Its SM/SL CJ-4-CI4+, the highest API oil specs possible all in one oil. Its got a Synthetic base as well (GRoup 3). But for practicality and tried and proven, try the Delo 400 and Delvac. 1/2 way thought writing this i was reading through the oil test where the gentleman used the Delo 400 on a older GMC and has tested better than when he used Mobil 1 ! <--(Still an excellent oil in the right applications).
Last edited by vxcalais_01; 13-11-2008 at 06:33 AM.
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cheers, ive been using for the last 10,000 odd km/s, ive been using 10w-50. i live 7km's away from work so the oil dosnt get that hot, the last time i serviced it the oil was filled half-way up the filter canister (alloytecs use a cartridge insert) which i havnt seen before, ive done stacks of alloytecs and havnt noticed that before, granted it was only running for 10minutes, from car park to hoist.
so im going to try 5w-40 for the next change for it to be a little faster flowing, i used edge 5w-30 for 5,000km before going to synpower
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thanxs for the info mateso u dont reccomend to use mobile 1? and is caltex delvo 400 a synthetic base oil? also any advice on what filter to use?
You can use Mobil 1, buts its too expensive (if you have money you can use the 5W50) and the Delo 400 Multigrade and Delvac MX are just as good from $28-$36 for both. Delo 400 are both mineral but have some synthetic or act like a synthetic. Delo is known as a "Isosynth" There is a Delo 400 LE which is synthetic, and Delvac 1 5W40 which is also synthetic, probably one of the best oils ever made but something like over $100 for a few litres......For your engine i believe those 2 are the best. Try the Delo 400 first, get it from Big W or Safeway Servos etc then try Delvac MX from K-Mart or Repco. LIttle did people know that KMart and Big W had oils that were better than probably all the oils in Supercheap Autos. These oils are on par with most of the best synthetics when it comes to engine protection and wear rates. 15W40 is a decent grade with low lag on the engine etc. No oil is gonna give it speed you will notice. I think the fastest oils are Fuchs OW20 and ULX 110 10W30. But i do not recommend them as they too thin. Offcourse Shell and Mobil make even better thinner ones for the F1.thanxs for the info mate
For $30 get a test kit from Caterpillar after 10,000k's and test the oil. You will know exactly what its doing. I can assure you that using these oils and use an expensive synthetic and they will be even with the Delo/Delvac even beating some. Oil filter, Ryco, OE, K&N are all good.
One of the few reasons why i don't use castrol engine oil.
Castrol GTX gets caught again - Bob Is The Oil Guy
anyone know if that repco oil there offering for 14.99 with filter is any good? its a 20w-50 .......api sl/cf
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Yeah , its OK. VXcalais talks about it a few pages back. He says its Mobil 1000 oil in a red bottle.
Its fine for your commodore, will last 5000 k's easy, and its dirt cheap. Might even get some myself.
hey vxcalais i have read this whole thread..
although as i gather you like to try new oils, what would be your straight out pick for a 20w50 oil? just for a bog stock eco, have had 15w40 but is starting to make a fair bit of top end noise..money really isn't an issue
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Out of curiosity what does the ULX 110 cost? I'm thinking of putting 5W-30 in the VE which funnily enough is the same as the VY so may as well buy in bulk if possible and save a few dollars in the process.
I've been doing a bit of reading and it seems Valvoline SynPower appears to be getting some decent wraps but not too sure.
burnsy150-20W50, Get that Repco oil you guys mentioned earlier. I have used it fro the last 2 oil changes, good stuff. The best of the 20W50's would be Pennzoil High Mileage 20W50 and Valvoline Maxlife. Both SM rated oils, really cannot go wrong with them. Or you can get the ULX-110 or Amsoil full synthetic stuff but expensive (Go to lubrication management site for a price). When are you getting the top end noise, at startup ? If startup then a 20W wont help. If i were you, i would try Havoline Delo 400 15W40, get it from Safeway/Caltex servos or Big-W, or MObil Delvac MX 15W40 (or Repco Diesel oil same stuff, rebottled for Repco, few dollars cheaper). Of the 2, Delo the slightly better one, compared to most other oils, probably 2 of the best oils ever made. They are mixed fleet Diesel/Petrol spec oils with excellent detergent packs, may clean up some top end grime. Otherwise go to the 2 20W50's i mentioned, with the high mileage add packs, have excellent detergents and synthetic esters to clean and help things on start up.
Darren-ULX costs roughly $70. Its not cheap as its an imported oil, and not marketed like the others. In bulk, go to their website, and click on the Ozzie flag. The distributer is their for Australia in Adelaide. he will get it to you in bulk wherever you are as he has people in all States. Where are you located ? If you get it, whatever you do, i know you will be tempted, but to not drink/eat it !!!
Valvoline Synpower is top notch stuff. Get it from United Service Stations, they regularly have it for $45-50. Autoparts stores are around $70. Synpower is starting to gain in the market, deservedly. If you have a good product, it should be known.
Last edited by vxcalais_01; 29-12-2008 at 05:04 AM.
If money is not an issue get this stuff
SAE 20W-50 100% SY! SYN JIGH PERFORMANCE MOTOR OIL
$72.60 for 3.7 litres, expensive stuff, but its Amsoil at the end of the day..... even then though the Delo 400 at roughly $35 for 5 litres trumps it in my opinion.......
burnsy150-You are the second person who has said to me money is not an issue on these forums...grrrr even in these hard economic times, Kevin Rudds cash handout has done something good for the car industry... then again it is our car, like children never let them go hungry hehe. Good luck.
Hey vxcalais_01, thanks for all of your info and input, I wanted to know in your opinion what oil would you recommend using in a LPG vehicle?
Cheers.
saber, i have an lpg vehicle as well. Whichever oils i have mentioned are good for lpg. If you want specifics, give me a price range etc, size/age of your engine etc. There are many very good oils out there.
Thanks mate. Currently I drive a VY executive on SVI lpg. I was reading another thread in the VY forum; you recommend using Mobil Delvac MX 15W-40, so I guess I will give that a try next oil change.
My old man also wants me to do his oil change in a (sigh) BF egas Falcon which has done 60000kmls. Could you recommend me an oil? The service manual states 15w-40 oil, 6.6L refill. Price wise, from $40-50 per bottle (he is paying for the oil, but it will take 2 bottles to get the job done). I'm guessing the Mobil Delvac MX 15W-40 would be suitable as well? He wants to keep it for 15000km, which is the recommended interval change, will this oil last that long? Is there any other oils you would recommended (mineral or synthetic)?
Also, what are your opinions on LPG specific oils? Eg Penrite HPR Gas 10, Castrol Gas, Shell Gas ect ect? From what I've read, these oils have special compounds which break down nitrous acids which are produced in higher quantities in LPG running engines. Some claim its all a marketing gimmick, others claim you should only run LPG specific oil in LPG running engines. Whats your opinion on this?
PS: Are you a Chemical/Petroleum engineer or something to that effect?
Last edited by saber; 07-01-2009 at 11:09 AM.
Saber, i am an engineer, but not in that field. When it comes to oil, i am just stock standard, i just read alot, and talk to and know people in the oil field. Mobil Delvac MX will suit both your cars. Get the Repco Diesel 15W40, in the 10 litre bottles. Few dollars cheaper but exactly the same as Delvac MX rebottled.
The LPG specific oils are marketing, they are basically diesel oils with a high petrol rating, SL being the usual. I have used 2 or the 3 you mentioned. You will know the Penrite is SL/CG-4. CG-4 is the third current Diesel Spec. Shell doesnt even label a petrol spec if i can recall, its certainly low, with a high diesel spec. The Diesels produce alot of biproducts, more than what a petrol car does. So these oils are designed to handle the extra soot, biproducts etc. I think the nitrates are common with lpg due to the excess water produced from the combustion process.
You want an oil with a high TBN, with the Penrite LPG one of the highest in the whole range, or a standard TBN with quality additives and base oils which can resist the breakdown and effects from the lpg bi products. Most top quality oils can do this, will all say LPG compatible etc.
Mobil Delvac and Castrol Delo are tried and tested oils in mixed fleet use. They are made from high quality base stock, mainly group 2 hydrocracked, with the best additives available. No matter what anyone says, these oils are guaranteed to work and have been tried and tested years and years. An oil with a SL/CI-4+ rating is immensly superior. Being Diesel/Mixed fleet spec oils they are designed for long drain, and i would use it in your dads car easily for 15,000k's and yours with the smaller sump 10,000k's.
From oil testing i have done, it does seem LPG really knocks the car and oil around.
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Um, whats a decent oil for an Ecotec on a trackday ? I'm guessing you will say something heavier than 20-50? I have 2 choices without going shopping, shell helix plus ( High Mileage), or Valvoline XLD Hi Vis 25-60. ( used to be XH60 i think ?) from memory the Valvo.. has a crappy SG rating, but for short term the rating should not matter right ? That TV add for castrol kind of demonstrates that ... theres a difference between a quality - clean oil, and one that will give good protection at high strain for a fairly short period of time..
trackday...... ULX-110 or Redline and Motul 300V(ester based oils). These are racing oils. Shell Helix Racing 10W60. It doesnt necessarily have to be a thicker oil. Mobil 1 can be used, Pennzoil, Valvoline VR1 Racing, they all have their race specific oils. What you need to determine is which ones you need to change after the track day, which ones can stay in for daily driver plus odd track day which most can when using standard fuel etc. Methanol/Alcohol fuels are what kill it with only a few and ULX i know for certain can run with it. Some of the others can as well, RoyaL Purple racing oils etc, Amsoil, Brad Penns they all have em, different kettle of fish now....Even Castrol Edge is used at the track, Havoline Premium 20W50 for like $27 a bottle was used by a few V8 racing teams straight off the shelf as you would get it as Safeway Servos......
Last edited by vxcalais_01; 17-01-2009 at 01:16 AM. Reason: Edge and Havoline
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i use 10-40 GReddy it always works awsum but i need to top up at the end of the day after track
On the look out for my new VT 98
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OK , I'll check out the Havoline Premium at i guess Caltex in NSW ?
You wouldn't recommend Durablend or the cheap Repco RO-SL ?
Yes i do recommend either Durablend, and the cheap RO-SL second to that from what you mentioned.
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