Engine Oil ?

[vxcalais_01]

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[VL Formula Turbo]

l use Amzoil full synthetic

[greenacc]

Yes i do recommend either Durablend, and the cheap RO-SL second to that from what you mentioned.

well, after all that i ended up using penrite HPR 30 20W60 on trackday. It ran real smooth and and handled the scorching heat of the day with no worries.
A note for anyone looking to buy Valvoline Durablend, buy it from Auto one as its about $31 there, compared to everywhere else where its about $40.
I also noticed that many of the Castrol Edge oils are now SM rated ! is this a recent upgrade ?

[H1GHROLLR]

penrite hpr all the way

[richierich]

I've used many different oils in different cars, but i cant go past Royal Purple.Expensive, yes, but the engines worth it.

[jetspin_vn]

Valvoline in every sump. Valvoline oil and fuel filters too. XLD Engine Armour is a fantastic product, used to sell it to all the V6 owners back in my Repco days.

[greenacc]

maah, i tried engine armour in my V6 ages ago. My engine drank it like lolly water so i had to keep topping it up. Didn't use it again. 15W50 minimum for me in an ecotec.

[jetspin_vn]

Odd, mine has never used a drop. Actually annoys me when I have a few hundred mills left over every time I do an oil change.

[Full Spectrum]

maah, i tried engine armour in my V6 ages ago. My engine drank it like lolly water so i had to keep topping it up. Didn't use it again. 15W50 minimum for me in an ecotec.

I used that stuff twice in the VP. I couldn't complain much about it. I was shit scared using a 15-40 in such a high k car also.

[vxcalais_01]

Odd, mine has never used a drop. Actually annoys me when I have a few hundred mills left over every time I do an oil change.

lol, i know what you mean. Ecotec should run a 5W40 comfortably. anything above should be no prob. Some people think an oil burns when they change to something new. It takes a while for the new oil to settle in, sometimes only by the 3rd change....

[vxcalais_01]

I've used many different oils in different cars, but i cant go past Royal Purple.Expensive, yes, but the engines worth it.

Honestly mate, that is not the best oil, and it not worth the money, even in the U.S many dont like it as its expensive, and doesn't perform as well as it should. If you have the money go Mobil 1, Amsoil, Redline, Motul. They are the performers in the $80 + oils. You can get even better than it for $50.

[vxcalais_01]

well, after all that i ended up using penrite HPR 30 20W60 on trackday. It ran real smooth and and handled the scorching heat of the day with no worries.
A note for anyone looking to buy Valvoline Durablend, buy it from Auto one as its about $31 there, compared to everywhere else where its about $40.
I also noticed that many of the Castrol Edge oils are now SM rated ! is this a recent upgrade ?

Castrol, (followed by Valvoline) is quite impressive in its ratings, i think only the GTX is still SL or lower, the rest are all SM which is pretty good. Means they are using better base oils and add packs.

[greenacc]

Odd, mine has never used a drop. Actually annoys me when I have a few hundred mills left over every time I do an oil change.

Must admit, my engine is kinda thirsty when it comes to oil. I must get around to replacing the valve stem seals and see if that helps. Its been like this since i bought it at 100 K, now done 240K and still same. Not so much on the HPR 30 tho LOL.

[Scooter79]

Castrol, (followed by Valvoline) is quite impressive in its ratings, i think only the GTX is still SL or lower, the rest are all SM which is pretty good. Means they are using better base oils and add packs.

GTX2 and GTX3 have both been rated SM for at least the last two years.

[jetspin_vn]

I wouldn't dare go lower than a 10-40 around these parts with the temprature range my baby sees! I never used to understand the masses of Magnatec that used to fly off the shelves heading for daily drivers that were never designed for an oil that thin. Marketing is a powerful tool.

Alot of it comes down to where you are and how warm it is. However, brand wise I'm a slave to trends (esp the ones I set myself, for myself) so Valvoline for the engine, box, and final drive!

[cxcxcxvcvcvc]

Castrol magnatec!

[whitey152]

what do you recomend for a vs ecotec with 270ks on it?

[Full Spectrum]

what do you recomend for a vs ecotec with 270ks on it?

I was going to try this.. Helix Plus 15w/50 5ltr - Autobarn - Oils/Additives - Engine Oils
Then went back for this.. VALVOLINE SYNPOWER - Autobarn - Oils/Additives - Engine Oils

With your car what is it running now ?. If it's not to noisy and running good maybe only a slight oil adjustment.

[crazywog]

id go with shell helix the red bottle 20 - 50 every minor and major i change to pentrit gtx street performance full mineral oil. i wouldnt touch anything else and as for magnatek there shit unless ur engines tuned for it or u got a new 2008/9 model vehicle abit ofknocking in the engine and also loss of power and acceleration thats from my testing others can find it diffrent to me but idunno i prefer shell helix still

[Full Spectrum]

I'm running that now in the VP. To be honest it's got a slight tick comparing it to the almost tick free Valvoline we used.

[whitey152]

I was going to try this.. Helix Plus 15w/50 5ltr - Autobarn - Oils/Additives - Engine Oils
Then went back for this.. VALVOLINE SYNPOWER - Autobarn - Oils/Additives - Engine Oils

With your car what is it running now ?. If it's not to noisy and running good maybe only a slight oil adjustment.

at the moment it is running nulon 20w 50 high kilometer oil i do have a tick n its anoying as hell but yeah

[vxcalais_01]

GTX2 and GTX3 have both been rated SM for at least the last two years.

GTX on its own, not 2 or 3 still has some SL bottles....now SM in 20W50 form.

[vxcalais_01]

id go with shell helix the red bottle 20 - 50 every minor and major i change to pentrit gtx street performance full mineral oil. i wouldnt touch anything else and as for magnatek there shit unless ur engines tuned for it or u got a new 2008/9 model vehicle abit ofknocking in the engine and also loss of power and acceleration thats from my testing others can find it diffrent to me but idunno i prefer shell helix still

Sorry Crazy wog, but nearly everything you said it s%!t......

Firstly its Pennzoil GT Streetmachine, 20W50, imported from teh U.S, group 1 base stock, good for 5000k changes. Has a good add pack, good for modded cars, Pennzoil will stop making and importing this stuff.

Magnatec is not shit, it is good for the oil it is, but not expensive. Also you cannot tune a car to a oil, i dont understand that part....... Its been out for like 10 years, how can it be only for 2008/9 cars ???

HOw did you test it ? Usually a thinner viscosity will give you better power and acceleration.

I dont like Castrol Magnatec because its too expensive, Group 1 mineral oil blended with a small amount of Ester synthetic should not cost $35......

Castrol Edge is actually a good oil. From time to time i talk to a person who actually helped develope the Edge 10W60. I never used to like it, but after talking and listening to him, who am i to argue with him....... Some were made from GRoup 3 oils, so for $70 too expensive, but apparently its a Group 4 PAO synthetic, so puts it in the same category as Mobil 1, Amsoil, base oil wise....... so actually well priced at $70.

Shell Helix is probably one of my favourites......but only mainly in the Semi and Synthetic range............ Shell Synthetics use a Group 3 Synthetic oil which is actually a Hydrocracked mineral oil.......

Modern Tribology Handbook ... - Google Book Search

Read page 368-374....... You will know more than most mechanics, Repco workers, or anyone trying to sell you oil and talking smack.......

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...esult#PPA26,M1 (Read page 26-36)

Why i like Shell synthetic, it that it is a freak of nature in the sense that, they have taken the waste bi product when making Group 3 mineral, the Slack wax and hydrocracked the wax to create an even purer base oil giving near identical properties of the lab made PAO Synthetic. Even then the GRoup 4 PAO lab made stuff is originated from Crude oil.

Shell use this in the Helix Ultra, and even for a thin oil, it performs just as well as a thicker oil. Ferarri F1 use some of these base oils in their F1 cars..... Hence why i do prefer Helix , but its still expensive, but worth using for $50 from some Big W's (most placed $70+). other good ones are Valvoline Synpower 10W50 from Liberty Servo's for $45, sometimes $50, Penrite Everyday synthetics using Group 3 for around $40-$50, Mobil 3000x2 is excellent also 5W40 at $50. These oils are forever on special at Repco etc for $40.... $5 more over the overpriced Magnatec.

Now take this info, read up the tech sheets and MSDS of different oils from their sites, email them and ask them, you will know what is in their oils, some hide it like Mobil, but still reveal in other places, Shell-Pennzoil, Valvoline, Penrite etc have had no dramas telling me and others what they use. Now when you fork out your money you can decide what oil is really worth what price....

[vxcalais_01]

Welcome to the Shell Rotella Forum: Rotella synthetic base stock

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[vxcalais_01]

http://www.nulon.com.au/images/produ...Engine_Oil.pdf

Heres and example for everyone....see the above Safety data sheet, see part 3, this oil is like majority oils,
60% "paraffinic distillate, heavy, hydrotreated (severe)". It is a Group 3 hydro mineral oil. I would not pay more than $50 for it as there are others i listed for same price. I am pretty sure Supercheap and Autobarn sell their Synthetic range for way more, hence why i dont buy it.....

http://www.msds.castrol.com.au/msds....no=460311-AU07 Magnatec is only a higly refined base oil, being mainly Group 1, so too expensive for over $30.

http://www.msds.castrol.com.au/msds....no=466129-MY01 Edge 10W60 Synthetic. Used to be GRoup 3

http://www.msds.castrol.com.au/msds....no=463741-MY01 Look here, the more expensive Edge Sport 0w40 is only a "Highly refined mineral oil and additives"

http://www.msds.castrol.com.au/msds....no=463998-AU07 The newer Edge 0W40 is now Synthetic as it doesnt show anything hazardous, no contaminates.....

http://www.penrite.com.au/files/W83U...20GAS%2010.pdf Here the ever popular Penrite Gas 10 - 60% GRoup 1 mineral, 30% GRoup 3.

Now research your oil, and hopefully know what you pay for......... remember there are some mineral oils which can outperform many synthetics on the market. For example Mobil Delvac MX 15W40 and Havoline Delo 400 Multigrade, some of the best oils ever made. Base oil only really determines the cost of the oil and how long you can keep it in the engine for. Most of our oils are gRoup 1 meaning from the information its only good for 5000k's. After that it breaks down and sludges etc. The Group 2 and Synthetics (Gp3,4,5) can be used for 10,000k's which at the end is the manufacturer drain period, in new cars(with bigger sumps to compensate) its 15,000. The additive package is what counts......