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Want a "Windows vs OSX" list
Hey all,
This is purely objective. I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm trying to come up with pro and con lists for both Windows (XP or 7) and Mac OSX. I have almost zero hands on experience with Macs since using the crap ones from high school, so I'm just going by what people say at the moment.
I don't care which you prefer, so this isn't supposed to turn into a Windows/Mac bashing thread.
I also need to clear up the misconception most Mac users seem to have where they don't realise that a Mac is, in fact, a PC and runs on x86 or x64 hardware, and the argument "Mac vs PC" is paradoxically incorrect.
Anyway.
Here is the list so far:
Windows XP / 7:
Pros:
Most software will run on Windows
You can build a Windows computer which will run on ANY x86 or x64 based hardware
Emulation software is widely available to run virtual machines for just about any other OS
Multiple OSes on one computer is easy to set up when you know what you're doing
Maya
Cons:
Insecure (not that this has ever worried me)
Popularity ensures insecurity
GUI in XP is dated (not that everyone cares about this, I certainly don't)
Can't emulate Mac OSX, but then there's no need for it.
Mac OSX:
Pros:
Is very pretty and has an easy to use interface
Don't have to worry about bad drivers since you can't officially use a non-Apple branded computer
Final Cut Pro
Crackers couldn't be stuffed creating viruses for Macs because not enough people use them, therefore there's no money to be made. (Cracker is correct, Hacker is not)
Cons:
Waaaay too expensive
Cheap, easily damaged construction materials
Cannot build your own computer and 'legally' install OSX on it
90% of the world's software won't run on it.
Boot camp can be difficult to set up correctly (???)
Fanboys
Leopard's Windows XP emulation, however it's done, can't emulate MIDI correctly
Feel free to suggest things, I hate Windows as much as I hate OSX, it's just I hate the Apple brand as a whole due to their overpricing and the fanboys.
Last edited by DavidPartay; 10-11-2009 at 03:16 PM.
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those cheap easily damaged parts.... are actually environmentally friendly... and aluminium..
not that it matters much...and on another note.. im pretty sure aluminium isnt that cheap... ?
> Emulation software is widely available to run virtual machines for just about any other OS
> Multiple OSes on one computer is easy to set up when you know what you're doing
very easy on a mac aswell.
http://www.parallels.com/
http://www.vmware.com/ for a couple.
> Cannot build your own computer and 'legally' install OSX on it
bs you cant. buy the cd's seperate. then bobs your uncle.
> 90% of the world's software won't run on it.
there are a shit load of programs free and bought that will run similar things.
> They still don't come with a mouse with more than one button!
why do they need to... check out this.
Apple - Magic Mouse - The world?s first Multi-Touch mouse.
Mac OSX.
Top quality for efficiency and process multi tasking.
very very good for editing - images, movies, audio etc.
Look great
Last edited by D-Man; 10-11-2009 at 02:27 PM.
Originally Posted by danja
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I'm talking about the cheap plastic they've been using for years!
And if you read the EULA you will see that you cannot legally install OSX onto a computer that is not Apple branded. I said LEGALLY. Pay attention
Similar is not the same thing, and that's still less than 90% :P
That mouse looks cool, but I still prefer two buttons and a mouse wheel
Now, if you'll please re-iterate your points with a little less bias and a little bit more objective comparison that would be nice :P
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lol shut up :P
i use W7 daily and have for about the last 4 months, i have no problems with it at all - but definately love my mac.
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Macs may not come with a mouse with two buttons and a scroll wheel but you can still buy an aftermarket one. Like Logitech's MX Revolution mouse! :P Great mouse.
And for the record, i dislike Mac. Just not for me. Windows and Linux/*Unix! :P
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Well if it weren't for these two things:
Fanboys
Overpriced-ness
I wouldn't have a single problem with Macs. It would no longer be "I refuse to buy a Mac because they're too expensive and because you people just won't shut up.". It would become "I'm not buying a Mac because it doesn't suit my needs".
Having to buy an aftermarket mouse with more than one button is a bit silly considering pretty much any Windows PC on the market will come with a mouse with no less than 3 buttons including the scroll wheel. It's not like you're not already paying a premium cost for the computer when buying a Mac!
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Never used a Mac in my life... so I'm far from a fanboy... but I had a look at that magic mouse site and it said that they are packaged with every Mac computer now. Granted it has no buttons or scroll wheels, it's touch sensing is capable of all the functions of a 3 button mouse plus more. Although I don't think it is anything special... just seems like they've ripped a touch pad out of a laptop, made it look pretty and added a couple of software features. It's no more than an external touch pad.
Not here to support Mac, but if we're looking at it subjectively then the mouse "con" should be removed from the list.
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Sorry, I disagree with nearly everything you said.
>Windows
>Pros:
>Maya
Maya is available for OSX.
>Cons:
>Insecure
Nope. Windows is very secure. I haven't been running antivirus for 4 years now. The problem is when people download shit and they don't know what they are doing. You can do that on OSX too.
>GUI in XP is dated
2 ways to solve. Install 7, or customize using StyleXP etc.
>Can't emulate Mac OSX, but then there's no need for it.
Answered your own question. Not a con if you don't need it.
>Mac OSX:
>Pros:
>Crackers couldn't be stuffed creating viruses for Macs because not enough people use them, therefore there's no money to be made. (Cracker is correct, Hacker is not)
Why is there antivirus for OSX then?
>Cons:
>Waaaay too expensive
Huh? You specifically said this was a Windows vx OSX thread, NOT a mac vs PC. Leopard costs $29 to upgrade. Windows 7 costs $338 to upgrade (professional).
>Cheap, easily damaged construction materials
Again, you're speaking in terms of mac vs pc and not windows vs osx. For the record, macs seem to be as sturdy as any other computer I've ever used. My mate has a macbook pro - aluminium case is awesome, doesn't scratch easily, pretty tough as well.
>90% of the world's software won't run on it.
But you don't use 90% of the worlds software. Pretty much everything you need runs on a mac. And if you do need to use other software, use bootcamp.
>Boot camp can be difficult to set up correctly (???)
My mate set up bootcamp and installed windows during a lecture. Extremely easy to set up, and windows runs fine on it. The only problem is that it ****s with the clock.
>They still don't come with a mouse with more than one button!
I'm also pretty certain that macs mice are in fact 2 buttons. You can right click a desktop in OSX etc with a normal mouse, so I'm sure the mac mouse would have the same feature. But macs mice are shit to use, and normal mice work fine, so it doesn't matter anyway.
>Leopard's Windows XP emulation, however it's done, can't emulate MIDI correctly
Bootcamp.
I don't have a Mac but my brother does and it's quite obvious even to me that's it's years beyond Windows. I don't see any need to compare them. It's like comparing Linux to Windows one is serious and one is stupid. But in the Mac's case silly people can use a serious OS
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But Maya on OSX is limited in functionality compared to the Windows version.
While I agree with you, at the end of the day it comes down to the stupid things people do to their computers. Plus, I have personally seen viruses spread without assistance across networks.>Cons:
>Insecure
Nope. Windows is very secure. I haven't been running antivirus for 4 years now. The problem is when people download shit and they don't know what they are doing. You can do that on OSX too.
Without using aftermarket assistance, and not everyone wants to have Windows 7.>GUI in XP is dated
2 ways to solve. Install 7, or customize using StyleXP etc.
I was trying to keep my points simple. I am aware of this, but when did you ever hear of anyone making zombies out of a horde of Macs?>Mac OSX:
>Pros:
>Crackers couldn't be stuffed creating viruses for Macs because not enough people use them, therefore there's no money to be made. (Cracker is correct, Hacker is not)
Why is there antivirus for OSX then?
You can't legally run OSX without running it on Apple branded hardware, which comes at a greatly inflated cost. I never said that Windows 7 wasn't too expensive, which it obviously is. You may pay less for upgrades to Leopard, but you've still spent more money to begin with.>Cons:
>Waaaay too expensive
Huh? You specifically said this was a Windows vx OSX thread, NOT a mac vs PC. Leopard costs $29 to upgrade. Windows 7 costs $338 to upgrade (professional).
>Cheap, easily damaged construction materials
Again, you're speaking in terms of mac vs pc and not windows vs osx. For the record, macs seem to be as sturdy as any other computer I've ever used. My mate has a macbook pro - aluminium case is awesome, doesn't scratch easily, pretty tough as well.You then have to pay for a Windows license in order to use it, costing you even more money.>90% of the world's software won't run on it.
But you don't use 90% of the worlds software. Pretty much everything you need runs on a mac. And if you do need to use other software, use bootcamp.
That's why I put the question marks there>Boot camp can be difficult to set up correctly (???)
My mate set up bootcamp and installed windows during a lecture. Extremely easy to set up, and windows runs fine on it. The only problem is that it ****s with the clock.
I was going to remove this point...>They still don't come with a mouse with more than one button!
I'm also pretty certain that macs mice are in fact 2 buttons. You can right click a desktop in OSX etc with a normal mouse, so I'm sure the mac mouse would have the same feature. But macs mice are shit to use, and normal mice work fine, so it doesn't matter anyway.
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>Leopard's Windows XP emulation, however it's done, can't emulate MIDI correctly
Bootcamp.[/QUOTE]
I can't attest to this, but I won't pretend to disagree with you
GUI in XP is dated......well it is 7 years old?
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Stocky - It seems to be an issue for some people, whereas other people like me have no problem at all. That's why I listed it.
Personally, I love things to stay simple at the operating system level. If the OS is too complex, it uses up resources which could be better used to make my applications run better.
Too bad all modern GUI OSes have to look good, thus sacrificing performance...
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Simple solution, buy a mac and dual boot OSX S/L and Win7
Edit: Bootcamp is extremely easy to setup and install windoze on. Once boot camp is setup and HDD partitioned, it is exactly the same as a windoze install.
LMAO, which decade are u living in?? A mac mouse has 4 buttons and a vertical and horizontal scroll button, and has done for a number of years.
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"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."
Exactly and the only reason people say it is dated is because they have not moved to vista which is jutified in my mind.
O.k. all you mac people, can any one of you tell me of an OS that has lasted as long as XP has? I can't think of one and the ONLY reason it crashed alot when it was young was bad driver support from third party vendors (one of the reasons signed drivers came in).
Windows 7 will fix all the issues that vista was, I have been using the RC and it is rock solid.
Another question for the Mac people, how many games do you have? How do I get that Nvidia GTX 275 in my mac again? not so easy it seems, so for any gaming your stuffed.
The bottom line is this, Both OSC and Windows 7 finally give the consumer a real decision in choosing between mac and pc. If your happy with office/artistic apps and not in games a mac will be fine (after all you can just plug a microsoft 3 button mouse into a mac and it will work just fine).
If you into gaming if any kind (and yes there are games for PC that a crap on consoles ie ARMA 2 and any real simulator) then the pc will be the one you choose, either way your not going to loose.
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But you already understand the reason behind this. If you were going to make a virus/trojan/worm/whatever, would you build it to attack 9% of the worlds computers or 88%? In a parallel universe where OSX makes up 88% of all OS' and Windows 9%, you'd be arguing about how insecure OSX is and how Windows has no problem with viruses.
OSX's core isn't physically more secure than Windows.
Source for market share: Windows Market Share Rises Slightly; Mac Drops
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exactly, you need to know what you want the computer for, no point in buying a 4K PC if you only want to surf the web and look at porn. It comes down to knowing what the end user needs to do.
See my previous post about the mouse...
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Rufus, I don't think you read the rest of the topic before your first post :P
Levymetal - good point, but I did try and point out that Windows is insecure because of its popularity :P
Windows will be insecure because its the largest storgare medium for software of value.
OSX's weakest point will always be it's unpopularity for games software. Games drive home introduction, home introduction drives office acceptability (think consistency of platforms for home. office and mobile).
Both platforms are similarly useful - they run on the same bloody processors for chrissakes.
It's all a wank. Anyone with knowledge can crack either. Both have fanboys.
I use a windows PC because I can build it myself, have control over the costs and component quality, which I don't get with an apple branded product. I also have control of the upgrade path, which is something you don't get in a Mac.
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hmm what didn't I read? I put forward my response to the easiest solution to anyone who was contemplating both architectures.
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"No, I'm not a pessimist. At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."
personally I've used Mac's once or twice, the interface is straightforward, but I have no use for them and I can build a PC cheaper than it would cost me to buy a Mac.
With regards to Windows, XP was pretty good and even though the interface wasn't so great it did what it needed to do. Windows 7 is pretty awesome, I have been running Ultimate x64 and had no driver or other issues and it's grown on me, I give Windows 7 a '9/10' awesome rating, now personally I think the KDE4 desktop on Linux is better than Windows 7 with regards to interface and usability, but playing all my games is a bit difficult to get working in Linux so therefore I use Windows 7
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Rufus - I've already addressed the cost issue in regards to licensing when it comes to running Boot Camp, I already addressed that.
Basically, If you have a $2000 Mac which is the equivalent of a $1600 Windows PC, you then have to buy your Windows 7 license to run in boot camp which is another $150 - $400 on top of that extra cost already.
To me, I'd much rather have the $1900 PC I'm going to be building next year (Phenom II X4 or whatever the top of the line AMD is at the time) with the equivalent of the current ATI Radeon 5770s running in Crossfire, Auzentech Forte 7.1 sound card, 4-8gb RAM depending on how much I want to spend, 1 TB hard drive, Blu-ray + DVD-RW combo... You just can't do ANYTHING like that for that good of a price for a Mac.
It would be dearer if I had to pay for a Windows 7 license (TechNet for the win
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But my point is, for 2.2k you can have both, whereas for your $1600 you only have 1!
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Yes, but that ONE will run everything you need it to run for $600 less!
Or, you could spend that extra $600 on slightly better parts and get a machine which is again, much higher end than a $3000 Mac... I know what I'd rather do!
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