Apples war on Everything

[Jesterarts]

Other phones have the same issue as well ... I'm not taking sides here, just trying to put this issue in perspective.

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This is true BUT,

The E71 is NOT Nokia's flagship product.
Nokia don't go around trying to sue everyone for patent infringements for patents that are essentially common practice.
And Nokia didn't claim or hype their E71 as some sort of revolutionary point in technological advances.

Plus the new iPhone is $800+ outright while the E71 is $400.

Chalk and cheese, the iPhone being the stinky cheese...

[V8Silverfox]

This is true BUT,

The E71 is NOT Nokia's flagship product.
Nokia don't go around trying to sue everyone for patent infringements for patents that are essentially common practice.
And Nokia didn't claim or hype their E71 as some sort of revolutionary point in technological advances.

Plus the new iPhone is $800+ outright while the E71 is $400.

Chalk and cheese, the iPhone being the stinky cheese...

Well it looks like lots of people like stinky cheese then as over 1.7 million iPhone 4s have sold in the first three days on sale ...
The Nokia E71 is Nokia business flagship phone, designed to try and take on the popularity of the Blackberry.

Nokia filed a claim against Apple first, Apple then counter-sued Nokia for infringement of Apple's own patents.

Nokia–Apple patent dispute

In October 2009, Nokia filed a lawsuit against Apple Inc. in the U.S. District Court of Delaware citing Apple infringed on 10 of its patents related to wireless communication including data transfer. Apple was quick to respond with a countersuit filed in December 2009 accusing Nokia of 11 patent infringements. Apple’s General Counsel, Bruce Sewell went a step further by stating, "Other companies must compete with us by inventing their own technologies, not just by stealing ours." This resulted in an ugly spat between the two telecom majors with Nokia filing another suit, this time with the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC), alleging Apple of infringing its patents in "virtually all of its mobile phones, portable music players, and computers."[148] Nokia went on to ask the court to bar all U.S. imports of the Apple products including the iPhone, Mac and the iPod. Apple countersued by filing a complaint with the ITC in January 2010, the details of which are yet to be confirmed.

Nokia hoped to leverage its pooled patents to gain access to Apple’s private patents, patents Nokia had already began using in its own phones, a grossly hypocritical move after alleging that Apple had stolen its technologies because it wasn’t innovative enough to develop its own.

So this is not a case of tit-for-tat as virtually every report so far has suggested. It’s a case of Nokia, finding itself well behind the curve in mobile phones, attempting to extort unfair, unreasonable, and discriminatory licensing terms against Apple for patents which Nokia has already committed to license under fair reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms.

Nokia isn’t the only company stealing Apple’s technology. Pundits cheered when when Palm did it, and they’re giddy at the prospect of Android stealing more and more of Apple’s intellectual property.

And while the industry rags all complained that Apple was going to stifle competition in the industry by going after Palm, Apple didn’t. And earlier, when it was claimed that Apple had a “killer patent” it would use to destroy every competitor to the iPod… that didn’t happen either. and when pundits fretted that Apple would use its multitouch patents to kill innovation and smart phones… that didn’t happen either.

Instead, Apple only responded to Nokia after that company launched a highly publicized assault on the iPhone, one which was celebrated and cheered on by Nokia’s fanboys and much of the technology press in general. Clearly, Apple prefers to win in the marketplace and is only using its patents defensively. So pundits, chew on that before scribbling up your next missive about how Apple may destroy the world via its patent holdings.

[Kurtp]

Bit like the Supercars argument really, You guys do realise mac's use the same hardware as a normal pc now days. Although perhaps have a better operating system and built a bit better but that's changable on any pc

Mmm, exactly what i was going to say, other than the better OS, i hate the MAC OS. That is one reason why i don't like them, plus the fact they are ugly and not to hardware-user friendly. Some of these people are just angry, ignorant and do not wish to conform.

The iPhone however is a different story, i've never heard about a device breaking so many times in my life, and having so many problems. And the people i know who own them all they do is play games, and shout and scream about how great the games are, then complain about it breaking. Why would i buy some overpriced crap? IT'S A PHONE not a gameboy.

[Grennan]

All of Apple's products have never been hardware friendly. From their Laptops, Computers and Ipods. The best thing about the conventional PC is the ease in which hardware can be upgraded and the very small cost. For the most part, any Mac computer cannot be upgraded with anywhere near the same simplicity. In some cases simple repairs require sending it away. Not to mention the sheer cost and lets not raise the issue of software and hardware compatibility.

Same thing with Ipods. I dont know if this is still the case with the current version of the iPod, however a few years ago the simple task of changing the battery in it required you sending it away for 12 weeks - then in my case, also getting it lost on the return journey.

Apple, the product for people who dont want to conform, however conform to a "special" group.

[Jesterarts]

Well it looks like lots of people like stinky cheese then as over 1.7 million iPhone 4s have sold in the first three days on sale ...
The Nokia E71 is Nokia business flagship phone, designed to try and take on the popularity of the Blackberry.

Nokia filed a claim against Apple first, Apple then counter-sued Nokia for infringement of Apple's own patents.

All that tells me is there is alot of stupid people and teenage girls in the world, there are also not mutually exclusive.

People buy apple products SO blindly that they ignore fairly serious design and functionality flaws.

Someone who actually is technology oriented would wait until these issues are resolved before buying in.

So what if you're the first person on your block to have a new iPhone when it's a overpriced, over hyped and flawed?

And Apple has clearly shown what it thinks of it's customers with it's "official" and "unofficial" statements on the issue.

[Jesterarts]

Leaked: how Apple 'handles' iPhone 4 flaws

Love Apples attitude towards its customers. Quality stuff right there...

[stocky]

Who wants a job? lol

Apple - Jobs at Apple - Job description

[Stressball]

The Nokia E71 is Nokia business flagship phone

No it's not, it's a middle-of-the-road phone with business functionality. Nokia's Business-specific phones are not heavily advertised, as people who are specifically looking for a business phone do their own research, they don't buy blindly off tv commercials. The E71 and E72, like I have, are functional phones, with business capabilities, but certainly not aimed at being a business phone more than any other type.

All of Apple's products have never been hardware friendly. ... ...For the most part, any Mac computer cannot be upgraded with anywhere near the same simplicity

Mac's answer to that is the Mac Mini that has just been released. It's a 12cm x 12cm x 2cm desktop, basically. Thing is, it uses almost entirely laptop hardware. Mobile video card, SO-DIMM memory sticks etc. It's essentially a laptop without a screen. The upgrade they have seen fit to allow the user to make; replace the SO-DIMMs with larger ones. That's about it.

[V8Silverfox]

No it's not, it's a middle-of-the-road phone with business functionality. Nokia's Business-specific phones are not heavily advertised, as people who are specifically looking for a business phone do their own research, they don't buy blindly off tv commercials. The E71 and E72, like I have, are functional phones, with business capabilities, but certainly not aimed at being a business phone more than any other type.

Um, no.



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[Jesterarts]

lol, I think we've got a Apple fanboy...

So, so in that case 1 in 4 of Nokia's Corporate flagship phones has reception issues and their solution is a bit crap. So Nokia = 25% failure in Corporate Range.

Apple on the other hand, have a 100% fail rate of their ENTIRE mobile range... they only make one.. of different capacity but same phone, so their ENTIRE current phone range has a serious flaw.

Come one mate, you have to admit... lately Apple have been releasing alot of dud products. The iPad had Wi-Fi issues and now their iPhone has reception issues. Going on this trend, the new iPod should have audio playback issues.

And the people who buy these products are not buying them because they are good, but because they are the latest thing from apple.

And then Apple has the arrogance to tell them to "Hold it different"? Considering their entire market share if based souly on customer loyality you'd think they would provide a better solution.

[CSP]

Apple have just released a solution...

It's called the iHold... Comes in a variety of colours and styles too.











Steve Jobs doing it wrong!!!


Ah that's better!


How something like this ever made it through QC is beyond me! What a joke...

[V8Silverfox]

lol, I think we've got a Apple fanboy...

So, so in that case 1 in 4 of Nokia's Corporate flagship phones has reception issues and their solution is a bit crap. So Nokia = 25% failure in Corporate Range.

Apple on the other hand, have a 100% fail rate of their ENTIRE mobile range... they only make one.. of different capacity but same phone, so their ENTIRE current phone range has a serious flaw.

Come one mate, you have to admit... lately Apple have been releasing alot of dud products. The iPad had Wi-Fi issues and now their iPhone has reception issues. Going on this trend, the new iPod should have audio playback issues.

And the people who buy these products are not buying them because they are good, but because they are the latest thing from apple.

And then Apple has the arrogance to tell them to "Hold it different"? Considering their entire market share if based souly on customer loyality you'd think they would provide a better solution.

I'll call myself an Apple Fanboy if you call yourself an Android Fanboy

I hardly think the reception issue is a "Serious Flaw" ...

Apple's iPhone 4: Thoroughly Reviewed - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

The drop in signal from cupping the device with a case on is purely a function of us being "ugly bags of mostly water." A material which happens to be pretty good at attenuating RF - thus increasing path loss between the handset and cellular base station. There's nothing Apple nor anyone else can do to get around physics, plain and simple. It's something which demonstrably affects every phone's cellular reception.
Add in an external antenna you're essentially forced to touch and bridge to another adjacent antenna while holding, and the signal attenuation is even worse. The fact of the matter is that either the most sensitive region of the antenna should have an insulative coating, or everyone should use a case. For a company that uses style heavily as a selling point, the latter isn't an option. And the former would require an unprecedented admission of fault on Apple's part.

... it's no more a "Serious Flaw" than the current issues that the Android based HTC Droid Incredible (where do they come up with these names?) is experiencing since May ...

Re: Poor Signal/Reception - Major Issue - DROID INCREDIBLE by HTC (Verizon) - Android Forums - HTC Community

[Astranomical]

Mac's answer to that is the Mac Mini that has just been released. It's a 12cm x 12cm x 2cm desktop, basically. Thing is, it uses almost entirely laptop hardware. Mobile video card, SO-DIMM memory sticks etc. It's essentially a laptop without a screen. The upgrade they have seen fit to allow the user to make; replace the SO-DIMMs with larger ones. That's about it.

Two things - for one thing, the company's name is Apple, Mac just happens to be the name of a product that they sell. Secondly, although they've just released an all-new model of the mini, the mini has been around for at least 5 years.

Either way, I have to admit...I do think its a joke that an issue like this made it all the way into a final product. Hmm, I have a good slogan for the iPhone 4...

iPhone 4. Loses bars when you hold it, gets lost in bars when you don't. (i'm assuming some of you will be familiar with the Gizmodo scandal from a while back )

[stocky]

I have an E71 and have had none of these reception issues

[Jesterarts]

I'll call myself an Apple Fanboy if you call yourself an Android Fanboy

I hardly think the reception issue is a "Serious Flaw" ...

Apple's iPhone 4: Thoroughly Reviewed - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News



... it's no more a "Serious Flaw" than the current issues that the Android based HTC Droid Incredible (where do they come up with these names?) is experiencing since May ...

Re: Poor Signal/Reception - Major Issue - DROID INCREDIBLE by HTC (Verizon) - Android Forums - HTC Community

Once again, HTC has a who range of phones, apple has one... Apple has one phone to deisgn right, one phone to manufacture right and one phone to provide customer service for.

And I'm hardly a Android fanboy... I don't defend them black and blue making excuses for their shortcomings. I'm more of a logical and informed consumer, I did some research, found the phone that suited my needs and bought it on the merit of it's functionality rather than because it was HTC's latest gadget. If I had a Nexus one, then maybe we could talk about fanboy this and that.

Thus far, you've defended Apples sub-par new fanboy gadget and based your entire defence on "Other manufactures make bad phones too".

And how can you say that serious reception issues are not a "major flaw" of a mobile? That's sort of the phone point.

[Jesterarts]

'Stunned' Apple blames software for reception woes

More bad press for Apple. Not only does their device suffer from reception issues, the software lies about how much reception you have.

And they've known about it since 2007? 3 Year to fix it for the benefit of their customers but apple decided not to address it until now?

I am starting to see why Apple started trying to sue everyone for everything recently, they knew their device was lacking and decided to take on the competition in the courts rather than on the market.

[GetToDaChopa]

lol this iPhone 4 just keeps getting more and more press and problems for apple. I find that most problems they have with their hardware is mostly software and they just release a fix for it after a while.... or maybe they don't want to recall the hardware o.O so they just say.....

[CSP]

FUNNIEST THING EVER!!! LOL LOL LOL

[Kurtp]

Rofl @ the video.

[acarmody]

HAHA funny video.

[stocky]

Awesome video.

[Jesterarts]

Bahahahaha!! That video was brilliant! So true though...

[danja]

They ain't in it for the love, they're in it for the money. Sure it can seem petty, but this is how companies protect their competitive edge as far as possible. No matter what snide comments anyone has about Apple products, they are a huge commercial success because they managed to create a product which people really want. When you look at the competition, there are plenty of products out there with more features or lower prices, but Apple really nailed the user experience, and that is really the IP they are trying to protect.

As for the "Mac vs PC" thing going on here, the only thing retarded are the people who actually give a shit about what other people use.

[Jesterarts]

They ain't in it for the love, they're in it for the money. Sure it can seem petty, but this is how companies protect their competitive edge as far as possible. No matter what snide comments anyone has about Apple products, they are a huge commercial success because they managed to create a product which people really want. When you look at the competition, there are plenty of products out there with more features or lower prices, but Apple really nailed the user experience, and that is really the IP they are trying to protect.

As for the "Mac vs PC" thing going on here, the only thing retarded are the people who actually give a shit about what other people use.

True, Apple is no longer selling a product but just a brand. Because they know peopple will by anything so long as it has an Apple logo on it.