building a new pc

[dijm8]

well im lookin at the 5870 series with the price of this maybe just the 1?
5870 ati radeon

edit:
even 5850 series is looking good too
5850 ati


also note i am looking to have atleast 3 monitors aswell

[levymetal]

if you want at least 3 monitors you will need 2 graphics cards, so in that case and in your budget it would go for dual 5850s in crossfire. and 850 *should* be able to handle that, but i would probably go higher just to be on the safe side. hx1000 is good (i love corsair power supplies , and it's modular)

[SMURFTEC.]

if you want at least 3 monitors you will need 2 graphics cards, so in that case and in your budget it would go for dual 5850s in crossfire. and 850 *should* be able to handle that, but i would probably go higher just to be on the safe side. hx1000 is good (i love corsair power supplies , and it's modular)

yeah totally agreed, but i dunno if you intent to play games with these three monitors, but you should research and look at bench marks of cards set up in crossfire compare with the cards set up in SLI, as you plan to run three monitors i would go a higher end card, maybe even two 4890's over the 5850..? or the nvidia equivalent, a 1000wat psu would be ideal as itd give you good buffering, also leaves room for marginal overclocking.

[ari666]

as smurftec alread ymentioned, we will need to know about your power usage, so;
what GFX and how many
how many HDD's
you gonna run a bunch of stupid little case fans with LED's and neon tubes and a heated mouse and a USB coffee warmer
what CPU (did you get that already?) and cooler

the very most important thing to look at is the AMPs on the 12V rail. also getting a supply with a good three rail 12V is really quite useful cos you dont need to go whopping big wattage PSUs. i got a coolermaster 850W true power (i think it was true power) is has something like 48A on the 12V and 3 seperate rails, which can be bridged if you need it. basically one is reserved for mainboard power, one for gfx and the rest for HDD's cdroms etc. it handled two MASSIVELY OC'd sli-7900GT's, with a 3.3ghz duo running at 4ghz, ram volts right up, cl right down and RAID 0. and it wasnt all that expensive.

edit* hmm, seemed to miss those last three posts. soz if im bactracking

[ari666]

also note i am looking to have atleast 3 monitors aswell

why? multi monitors are a pain in the arse.

[Uber_Flacky]

The 58xx series can run 4 cards each, have a look for "Eyefinity" Ati's multi-monitor setup, as for 5850 vs 5870, go the 5870, more power is always better, and is a bit better for future proofing yourself, 58xx series run DX11 too so thats a plus. PSU wise I would go the 1000 watts (which i am running) cause its not going to hurt having spare power, where as no having enough will cause you all sorts of grief... Don't forget about the 5970 aswell ( basically 5870X2 just called the 5970 for some reason). Know what ram your getting yet, cause if you haven't got it yet get a good set (Gskill, corsair, patriot etc.) that comes with 3 sticks for tri channel cause oyur board allows it

[dijm8]

well im looking at getting the i7 920 or the 930, will be running mayb a 250g for the OS and a 1.5TB for my games n movies etc...

ram will be 6gb which is more then enough, i think the 5970 are abit out of my range for now lol

most likely will be buying the cpu 2mw so any thoughts on the above would be kool

always thought of having 3 monitors wud be awesome haha its not a must cause then ill just stick with a 26" led or sumthing either is good..

also thers going to be a blu ray drive, thats pretty much about it...after the first few runs once its built then ill see if i need a liquid cooler or not

[SMURFTEC.]

...and is a bit better for future proofing yourself...

mate if only there was such thing as future proofing once you were in the computer building world.

from my reading 3.6 GHZ OC on the i7 920 is achievable without changing the timings of the ram too drastically, have you looked into the superclocked/overclocked variations of the 5850 or 4890, personally get a 24inch lcd screen as the go for around $250~ atm, save the money you would of used on the led screen at put it somewhere else.

you really do need to do some of your own research and narrow down what parts you want i.e; cpu, gfx, etc so we can give you the best alternative out of comparison, something to think about there.

just bear in mind 3000 dollars you invest into this computer will be outdated in a matter of months, for example rather then blowing money into a gfx spend the extra bit and get a better cpu etc..

[dijm8]

yeh i do knw that this we get outdated pretty quick, thats the computer world for ya... give it 2 months and ther will be somthing better for the same price...

ok this is the motherboard that i have bought.. gigabyte ex58

ok well it has come down to these graphic cards:

powercooler hd5850

sapphire hd5850

ther both good in my opinion what u guys think..

[SMURFTEC.]

they are both good, personally, ive read issues about powercolor being substandard ati manufacturers, so in your case i myself would justify the extra $40~ odd dollars and go for the reputable Sapphire 4850, but here in my state my local computer shop wants $349 for a Gigabyte 5850 and $499 for the Gigabyte 5870. i hope you considered the 24" LCD monitor to replace a LED screen and maybe you could get a 930, or 940 nehalem processor.

[dijm8]

yeh ill end up getting an lcd, just looked at a few prices... i could get bigger for cheaper with an lcd over led,

940's dont exist anymore... just looked at msy the i7 920 is $352 and the i7 930 is $379

is it worth the extra cash and get the 930?

[SMURFTEC.]

yeah well with the money you save from getting a LCD, id put the extra $27 dollars towards the i7 930 purely because processors arent replaced updated as frequently as say a gfx would be, also you have the opportunity to so why wouldnt you, say 1 month later you think to yourself oh i should pay $27 dollars more and get a 930, but this cant be done anymore.

in the false hood of future proofing, the i7 930 would hold its own for a decent amount of time.

[dijm8]

just done some researching, looks like the i7 930 it will be

ill head down to msy this weekend i think and go collect my cpu

coming together nicely,

i will get pics up and show my build as the items roll in

[dijm8]

hey guys ive posted sum pics of my motherboard that i received today on page 1

[peckzz]

dude WTF. there is no such thing as an i7 985. and 4x 285 sli? what have you been smoking? a single 5870/gtx 295 runs nearly every game at playable speeds at 1920x1080, anything more is just a waste of money and pure 'wank factor'. and ram speed/frequency doesn't even matter unless you are overclocking so 2100 is another waste of money.

oh sorry typo with the 985, was meant to be 980, also, well obviously you do not use your computer to your full potential or you have just been smoking too much to realise what you can do with a computer, and have you noticed the difference in gaming inbetween a gtx 295 compared to 4x285's? obviously not mate, and about the ram speed, your saying you only get the speed if overclocking, LMFAO honestly shut the F**K up unless you really know what you are on about, you never done no video decoding or interlacing before have you mate?

[levymetal]

oh sorry typo with the 985, was meant to be 980, also, well obviously you do not use your computer to your full potential or you have just been smoking too much to realise what you can do with a computer, and have you noticed the difference in gaming inbetween a gtx 295 compared to 4x285's? obviously not mate, and about the ram speed, your saying you only get the speed if overclocking, LMFAO honestly shut the F**K up unless you really know what you are on about, you never done no video decoding or interlacing before have you mate?

oh man, why did you bother replying? screw getting a shovel, you're going to need a bulldozer to get yourself out of this one. on an i7 the ram runs at the memory bus speed. a normal, non-overclocked i7's 920 memory bus speed is 1066mhz (965 and higher is 1333mhz), but let's stick with the 920 for our example. this means that if you buy ram clocked at 1333mhz, it runs at 1066mhz. if you buy ram clocked at 1600mhz, it runs at 1066mhz. if you buy ram clocked at 2000mhz, guess what? it runs at 1066mhz. when you buy ram the frequency is an indicative number of the MAXIMUM frequency that the ram will run at stable. thus if you are overclocking, you will want to buy ram clocked at a higher frequency to ensure that your system stays stable under a higher BCLK (which along with overclocking the cpu overclocks the memory bus as well). and just in case you missed it the first time, i'll repeat myself: if you don't overclock then 2000mhz ram will run at the default memory bus speed @ 1066mhz.

just in case you want to argue the point further, please refer to the following articles explaining i7 memory configuration (a topic which you know nothing about):
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/27...peed-confusion
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/15967/1
http://www.corsair.com/products/corei7/faq.aspx

maybe you should take a nice big cup of your own medicine and "shut the **** up unless you really know what you are on about". if you don't like being proven wrong, don't post bullshit. quite simple really.

not quite feeling your point about the 4 285s either. i wrote a big explanation about a 5970 running crysis at 50fps at 1920x1200 which is fine for me, and also the power that 4 285s would consume, and the little benefit that 99.99% of users would see out of it. but i deleted that because the real reason i don't really understand what you're trying to say is because it's not a walk in the park to get get 4x285s in sli. one of the only, if not the only 285 you can use in 4-way-sli is the EVGA classified version. and not only that but you would specifically need their motherboard as well to be able to run it. you can easily run 3x285s in tri-sli or 2x295s in quad-sli, but 4x285s in sli is another kettle of fish and you can't just do it with any old 285 or mb. the evga classified 285 seems very difficult to source in australia, i only found one place that stocks them for $587.37. so for quads you're talking $2349.48 worth of graphics cards alone, excluding the 4-way-sli motherboard you need to get which seems to be upwards of $700. yes, it would probably be a good system. is it worth it for the average user, especially considering the exorbitant cost and difficulty in obtaining the parts? definitely not. after factoring in the other parts, i don't think most people have $5000 to spend on a system anyway.

[dijm8]

hey guys,
which OS should i get either the win 7 ultimate or pro i know ther *** all difference in them but not sure if i shud get 32 or 64bit whats the difference with them

[STEALTHY™]

Get 64 bit. I know with mine on 32bit, you can't use the full ram (only uses 3gb instead of 4gb, not sure how it works if you have over 4gb tho...levy will know the answer to that)

[levymetal]

haha stealthy . yep get 64 bit if you want to use all of your ram. 32 bit operating systems only have 4gb of addressable space, and this is including graphics card ram and anything else that's addressable. the ram is addressed last so whatever is left over after everything else is given to your ram (usually about 3-3.5gb depending on how much ram your graphics card has). any ram that is not addressed is simply not used.

[dijm8]

yeh that clears that Q up cheerz, yeh deff will deff be getting 6gb, proberly will just stick with the win 7 pro i think,

[dijm8]

well these are the parts that i have now:

gigabyte ex58 ud5 motherboard
i7 930 cpu
WD Caviar Green 500gb hdd for the OS
WD Caviar Green 1.5tb hdd


slowly but its getting ther

[levymetal]

looking good! makes me want to upgrade my pc soon

[dijm8]

haha yehh, just waiting for the case to come still after 2 weeks of waiting they finally replied sayin we got the stock and it has been posted.....if they didnt have the stock well then they should of posted on the site sayin sold out lol otherwise i would of bought another instead of waiting so long..once i get it then i can start putting it in.

now with the psu, im thinking going for maybe a 750w im thinking that should be more then enough i think,

[dijm8]

now with the win 7, most sites like mwave or pccg have the OEM version which is like 170 bucks ...can i get this version? or do i need the retail pack?

[protocol]

You should be able to buy the OEM version if you're buying hardware at the same time? Might be mistaken but