Cold Air Intake

[Anthssv]

Hi all
I am looking at putting a cold Air intake on on VE SSV series 2
I would like something similar to the HSV setup but the ones I have found come with a big prices tag.
just wondering if anyone has found one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg but gives good gains?

[bonners]

Sorry mate, the old adage of you get what you pay for plays well here.

I originally bought the SS inductions growler. Not worth it. Then I bought an Orssom OTR then decided on a different one. I'm actually thinking of changing again.

Quite simply, spend the money, do it once and get the gains. A decent OTR will cost you $500-$600 and that's simply what they all cost. They will all give excellent gains over the other ones like the Walkinshaw and SS inductions growlers.

[PRAVX II S]

Each to there own but if you ask me i would not spend that kind of $$$ on a cold air intake.
I would go buy some extractors if you dont have it already.

[bonners]

Have you had one on a V8? Easiest and probably one of the better bang for buck upgrades. And the induction noise is awesome.

Couple it with headers, cats and a decent exhaust and you're on a winner.

[PRAVX II S]

Have you had one on a V8? Easiest and probably one of the better bang for buck upgrades. And the induction noise is awesome.

Couple it with headers, cats and a decent exhaust and you're on a winner.

Bang for buck hardly! You wrote '' A decent OTR will cost you $500-$600 and that's simply what they all cost ''
I dont see how that would be bang for buck.
I dint say they dont work or do work i said i would spend that kind of money on extractors.
The 0TR are well over priced. plastic fantastic

I dont care much about noise either mate

[bonners]

And I'll stick with the idea that you have never driven an LS1/LS2 with one.

Perhaps overpriced but well worth the money in the LS motor. He wants gains. He wants gains from CAI. he didn't say extractors. I said don't bother with other CAI's buy a decent OTR.

Good luck getting VE extractors for $600

As for induction noise it's just a bonus to some of us

[PRAVX II S]

Yeh mate i have driven a lot of ls1/ls2 have had quite of few come into the workshop.

Also found this on the net VE extractors $660

NEW COMMODORE VE 6Ltr LS2 EXTRACTORS TRI-Y - PH 5377 | eBay


Now the growler otr

http://www.ssinductions.com.au/brands/Growler-OTR.html

$10 more I know what i would do.

[bonners]

But you're still arguing extractors mate. The OP asked about CAI and I told him. I still believe they are good investment. Yeah, maybe a little overpriced but tell me car parts these days that aren't. And its kind of pointless to do decent extractors if the car isn't breathing nicely to start with. I certainly wouldn't do anything halfassed on something nice such as a new Series 11 SSV.

The SS Inductions OTR was common 18 months ago but is not something used often now. You can buy a VCM OTR for approx $545 and its one of the best on the market with full flow testing etc. VCM spent a lot of money on R&D on that product.

The extractors you link to are the small tri-y's. Not decent 4-1's.

I have a question for you. From your previous post, it sounds like you are a mechanic or work for a mechanical business. Now, do you tune cars at your business? How much do you charge? Do you know how much a tune costs at somewhere like Powertorque up here or Russo in Sydney etc? They aren't cheap. And the common question is why? These guys just plug in a computer and tune your car. Surely they should have some baselines etc to run with. This is all true. But you are paying for their experience as much as what they are doing to the car. Same as making performance parts for a car. VCM spent heaps on their OTR as did GM Motorsport on their Ramjet. A friend of mine investigated making replacement grilles for the VE. Do you know how much he was quoted to do the setup for the moulds? In the 10's of thousands.

As I said above. Maybe you're right. Maybe they are overpriced. But I don't believe they are any worst than other performance products. And for the LS motors they are the best thing to get rid of the restrictive GM air box setup. And they are more often than not the first thing people buy.

[PRAVX II S]

But you're still arguing extractors mate. The OP asked about CAI and I told him. I still believe they are good investment. Yeah, maybe a little overpriced but tell me car parts these days that aren't. And its kind of pointless to do decent extractors if the car isn't breathing nicely to start with. I certainly wouldn't do anything halfassed on something nice such as a new Series 11 SSV.

The SS Inductions OTR was common 18 months ago but is not something used often now. You can buy a VCM OTR for approx $545 and its one of the best on the market with full flow testing etc. VCM spent a lot of money on R&D on that product.

The extractors you link to are the small tri-y's. Not decent 4-1's.

I have a question for you. From your previous post, it sounds like you are a mechanic or work for a mechanical business. Now, do you tune cars at your business? How much do you charge? Do you know how much a tune costs at somewhere like Powertorque up here or Russo in Sydney etc? They aren't cheap. And the common question is why? These guys just plug in a computer and tune your car. Surely they should have some baselines etc to run with. This is all true. But you are paying for their experience as much as what they are doing to the car. Same as making performance parts for a car. VCM spent heaps on their OTR as did GM Motorsport on their Ramjet. A friend of mine investigated making replacement grilles for the VE. Do you know how much he was quoted to do the setup for the moulds? In the 10's of thousands.

As I said above. Maybe you're right. Maybe they are overpriced. But I don't believe they are any worst than other performance products. And for the LS motors they are the best thing to get rid of the restrictive GM air box setup. And they are more often than not the first thing people buy.

Holden has also spent a lot of money designing there SSV. That is including the factory air intake system.
I am a auto-elec. No we dont do tunes at my work We FIX cars. We have had so many customers coming in with the OTR
system on commodores having the engine light come on. The oil from the filter actually effects the MAF sensor. When told
how much a MAF is for a VE ssv commodore they dont hesitate to take the OTR system off. This is even for the oil filled panel filters.

Also do you know the difference of tri-ys and 4-1 headers?
Street use tri-ys would be the best choice mate.

There is always 2 sides of the story with everthing. There ups and downs with mods and people need to know this.
Its up to the op what he wants i am just suggesting other alternatives. He also states he does not want to spend a load of money on some plastic.

[Jesterarts]

1. Right... just for the record, the growler intake you used as an example requires mafless so there won't be any issues with getting oil on the maf.

2. You have people who come in with the engine light on, and then you point out it's the oil from the filter effecting the maf, and because of this they ditch the intakes? Wouldn't it be just easier to not over oil the filter or clean the maf if it is causing an issue.

I think I am yet to hear of someone getting rid of an OTR because the oil form the filter was causing engine light issues.

OTR are great back for buck. Increased throttle response, less restrictive, more power and fuel economy improvements.

Extractors are also good, but after you add the cost of someone fitting them and the lost of O2 sensor extensions they are way ahead in cost compared to an intake.

OTR's are a cheap and easy win for noticable gains. Retaining the maf means the OP will not see the intakes full potential but he will see a difference.

Extractors will give better results realistically, but at a much higher cost.

[Reaper]

Holden has also spent a lot of money designing there SSV. That is including the factory air intake system.
I am a auto-elec. No we dont do tunes at my work We FIX cars. We have had so many customers coming in with the OTR
system on commodores having the engine light come on. The oil from the filter actually effects the MAF sensor. When told
how much a MAF is for a VE ssv commodore they dont hesitate to take the OTR system off. This is even for the oil filled panel filters.

Holden are somewhat constrained with regard to noise and emissions when designing intake and exhaust systems. Both oil and pulsing from an after market cam will screw up a MAF sensor. Very few OTR style intake systems will comply with pollution regs, nor will any non standard camshaft. The intake on a SS-V Commodore is the same as any other V8 non HSV Commodore.

Reaper

[HoZy]

[bonners]

Was pretty sure I knew something........

Do I know the difference between the two extractors? Do you?

Oil on a MAF. if someone comes in with this problem they don't deserve to have a reusable filter. I take it you understand that you only oil one side of the filter. The exposed side to dirty air side. I would hazard a guess your clients don't follow the K&N instructions and oil both sides.

As for the standard air box it's a restrictive setup based on emissions as mentioned above. As with most LS1 mods(including exhausts, OTR's, extractors etc) don't meet these requirements but give massive gains. Why? Because the LS motor is one of the most easily modified for huge gains.

[PRAVX II S]

1. Right... just for the record, the growler intake you used as an example requires mafless so there won't be any issues with getting oil on the maf.

2. You have people who come in with the engine light on, and then you point out it's the oil from the filter effecting the maf, and because of this they ditch the intakes? Wouldn't it be just easier to not over oil the filter or clean the maf if it is causing an issue.

I think I am yet to hear of someone getting rid of an OTR because the oil form the filter was causing engine light issues.

OTR are great back for buck. Increased throttle response, less restrictive, more power and fuel economy improvements.

Extractors are also good, but after you add the cost of someone fitting them and the lost of O2 sensor extensions they are way ahead in cost compared to an intake.

OTR's are a cheap and easy win for noticable gains. Retaining the maf means the OP will not see the intakes full potential but he will see a difference.

Extractors will give better results realistically, but at a much higher cost.

Over time oil will contaminate the MAF elements mate thats a fact. When you explain this to the customer they dont find it
very appealing and get rid of it. I am glad someone can afford OTR system, I think there is a current thread on the forum
having the same issue After fitting the OTR

Engine Light after OTR?

I never said it was a bad mod. I just would not spend that kind of money on some plastic.

And bonners why would you want 4-1 headers in a street car? Shows you really know about headers

[one_and_only2004]

Holden has also spent a lot of money designing there SSV. That is including the factory air intake system.
I am a auto-elec. No we dont do tunes at my work We FIX cars. We have had so many customers coming in with the OTR
system on commodores having the engine light come on. The oil from the filter actually effects the MAF sensor. When told
how much a MAF is for a VE ssv commodore they dont hesitate to take the OTR system off. This is even for the oil filled panel filters.

Also do you know the difference of tri-ys and 4-1 headers?
Street use tri-ys would be the best choice mate.

There is always 2 sides of the story with everthing. There ups and downs with mods and people need to know this.
Its up to the op what he wants i am just suggesting other alternatives. He also states he does not want to spend a load of money on some plastic.

Holden made the SSV to be a compromise between noise, cost and ease of maintenance. NOT because it's better for power output compared to an OTR. Seeming how you're an auto electrician, have you thought about spraying a bit of cleaner on the MAF wires and removing all this oil, or are you just putting it into the too hard basket and scaring customers..?

I have two dyno graphs of my ute with Tri-y's, and another ute identical (down to the same wheels) with 4 into 1's and at peak there's 5rwkw in it. I have shit all more torque than him down low and I am absolutely flogged at anything above 2300rpm in torque delivery. Tri-y's are shit and pointless and I regret buying them at all. Do not recommend something that you obviously don't have experience in - the internet is a cruel lying mistress.

Go the DuSpeed OTR if you want to go MAFless, or the VCM OTR comes in either a MAF or MAFless setup. Just remember that you do get what you pay for.

[PRAVX II S]

Holden made the SSV to be a compromise between noise, cost and ease of maintenance. NOT because it's better for power output compared to an OTR. Seeming how you're an auto electrician, have you thought about spraying a bit of cleaner on the MAF wires and removing all this oil, or are you just putting it into the too hard basket and scaring customers..?

I have two dyno graphs of my ute with Tri-y's, and another ute identical (down to the same wheels) with 4 into 1's and at peak there's 5rwkw in it. I have shit all more torque than him down low and I am absolutely flogged at anything above 2300rpm in torque delivery. Tri-y's are shit and pointless and I regret buying them at all. Do not recommend something that you obviously don't have experience in - the internet is a cruel lying mistress.

Go the DuSpeed OTR if you want to go MAFless, or the VCM OTR comes in either a MAF or MAFless setup. Just remember that you do get what you pay for.

What do you think we do? Of coarse we clean the MAF at the same time we let our customer know why its happening.
So they dont have to come back just to clean the MAF sensor. Some people dont know how to clean a MAF.

So everyone is wrong in the following thread.

Pacemaker try ys or 4 into 1 headers

Every car acts different to mods its not set in concrete.

[bonners]

And bonners why would you want 4-1 headers in a street car? Shows you really know about headers

.....um yeah ok

[one_and_only2004]

There's a pretty decent flat spot in my graph due to those tri-y's. Nothing quite like a bit of real world first hand experience.

[Anthssv]

Wow I think it's time to settle

I have been doing a little looking around and I like the look and Hp gains that the Ramjet is claiming its about the 600 mark I was hoping to get something a bit cheaper, I was looking at a CAI on eBay See the pic that CIA is about 300 delivered it does away with the air box and uses a pod filter connected with an Alloy tube, and claims 10-15kw power gains, no Maf changes needed.
But I have decided on an OTR type simply because I feel the OTR is less restrictive and I like the Ramjet because of it's large surface area air filter compaired with the SS OTR I feel it will allow more air flow and just be easier to clean and oil then the twin pod filters on the SS OTR.
But I would like to hear from someone who has or had both OTR's. To see what actual gains they got.
As to the problems with oil in Maf I put a K&N filter in my VY SV8 I had it for 3 years and never had any problem with the Maf I had the samething for 10 years in my VN V6 and no porblems I think if you read and follow the instruction it should be ok.

[Jesterarts]

This thread is getting SOOOO off topic.

The OP asked about which CAI he should get and thus far we've covered:

- Buying headers instead which is substancially more expensive and involved
- People over oiling their filters
- Are 4 into 1's or tri y's better in a street car.

In direct response to the OP:

1. Decent CAI's are expensive, be prepared to cough up $600ish
2. My perfomal preference for OTRCAI's are the Duspeed ones. Very nice unit and proven time and time again. Pretty sure they also cater for car's that still have the maf.

Good luck.

[bonners]

Exactly what I said in my very original reply.

[Anthssv]

Do you have a link or a supplier for that type of OTR your taking about. If you have pic would great to.

[PRAVX II S]

You can only go off topic if you own a V8,
Some poor guy wants to do up there V6.
And you get a reply like buy a V8.

Good luck to the op. Hope you find some gains mate.

[bonners]

The OP owns a Series 2 SSV. he asked about that type of car.

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[Anthssv]

Thanks cheers