Cam for LS3 is this one going to be ok stock stall

[1uzVN]

hi everyone!
havent been around for a long time but now have a ve maloo gxp and looking to run low 12's stock stall
i already run a 13.2 -106mph with a 2.1 60ft bone stock street trim on 20's
i have found a cam 2nd hand previous owner claimes 316rwkw through a stalled auto
cam specs are 224/230 @.050 610/605 lift 115lsa will this work with stock stall?
from what i can tell its close in spec to the gm motorsport cam that they recomend with stock stall?

i will be going russo otr mafless tune and seeing what i can get from the stock hsv headers with exhuast cutouts for the track, i dont want to attract to much on the street or wake nebours up.

thanks
Dustin

[Munz]

I think you could get low 12's with just a mafless tune, intake and decent pipes on good rubber

but yes that cam will work with the stock stall

[1uzVN]

i was thinking the same thing but this cam came up and i thought what the heck why not if the car will go good with stock converter
thanks

[GRPABT1]

Get a stall, do it right, do it once and go bigger

[shane_3800]

avoid second hand cams they are trouble they can destroy lifters

[1uzVN]

I can't really justify a high stall for a daily driver and the price for them are crazy , so I will be doing the best I can get while keeping stock stall, what arr the problems in using a 2nd hand cam? How can it damage lifters? Thanks for the comments
I also have nos kit from my vn single fogger wet I want to chuck on around 125 shot this with cam tune ect should see me knock out an 11 ?

[GRPABT1]

I cannot believe that someone who can afford a new maloo would skimp on a second hand cam

[1uzVN]

just asked the question , i found a 2nd hand otr will that be ok?
apparantly the new roller cams arnt a problem 2nd hand like old ones
i dont want a stall thats the only thing i dont like the price of really for what i use the car for i can get good enough performance out of stock on if cam is not to big
dosnt matter what car u have money is still money and dosnt grow on tree's mate,
any saving u can get is a good one. ill talk to my workshop tomorrow and see what they say.

[GRPABT1]

A cam is not an otr. A cam is an internal part that costs a substantial amount to fit and even more to fix when it takes out your valve train and potentially your entire motor. And a roller cam may wear at a slower rate than a flat tappet but the risk is in the unknown. Even a roller cam will wipe a lobe off if it's been starved of oil, lifters incorrectly fitted plus many many other scenarios that could have happened to the second hand cam in question unbeknownst to you. Spend a little now and save alot later by doing it right and buying a new cam, even if you do want a little baby girlie cam :P

[cpbait]

i'm the same with second hand cam, wouldn't use one, but everyone to there own and the roller cams should be less abused than a flat tappet/lifter cam.
can get a small stall for cheap prices, a 2,200-3,000 stalls aren't that much and you wont really notice it, once you go over 3,000rpm stally iv noticed they sky rocket in price.

If the cam lobes are all ok then you might be ok with the roller cam. does it have the AFM? heard you've got to swap lifters out on those cause of how the AFM works, don't quote me on that though.

will be a nice daily though with some good punch to it.

[shane_3800]

i said second hand cams can destroy lifters not will just wipe lobes with 1500 wet and dry use oil that'll get the wear streakes off the cam

[DAKSTER]

A new cam is what? 700 bucks for a good one? You are going to spend a bunch on labour, or hours doing it yourself, yet try to save a few hundred bucks on a secondhand cam? The labour is more than the price of the cam, dont waste all that money on labour or time to install a secondhand part just to save a few hundred bucks.

[Grennan]

A new cam is 700 bucks. The end process is going to cost you ~3000. Do yourself a favor, get a new cam, get a proper cam, get a hi stall.

[1uzVN]

i dont want a stall in it car already does a low 13 with a high 60ft due to traction so i belive with good tyres and auto tune it would be into the 12s already
maybe a 2nd hand cam isnt the way to go but i still wont be going massive on the cam, power under the curve is what makes a nice drivable quick street car not all topend and big stall , u have to think of fuel usage, i will be getting cam put in for no labour cost very good friend builds high hp valiants he know a thing or to about small combos that go fast, what sort of cam would you guys recomend if i was going to chuck a stall in it and what sort of mph and et's would i be looking at?

[1uzVN]

thanks for all the comments

[GRPABT1]

Wouldn't have this problem with a manual box :P

End of the day mate it's your car, so go with what you want in cam choice. I possibly am not the right person to ask as
I drive a cranky pig with a big solid roller and I love it so I'm always inclined to favor performance over driveability. I would talk to someone from a company that designs and sells these cams and get their opinion on what would suit your needs.

[Grennan]

If you believe youre going to be in the 12s with a tune why bother with a cam?

Not trying to be a dick, but why are you getting a cam? The cam you are looking at IMO is a waste of money, especially if youre just trying to crack 12's (based on your estimations of being into the 12's with good tyres and a good tune and otr).

You could spend the money else where, like a good set of diff gears, improve your times but not be a major factor in day to day driving like a cam and hi stall would be.

[1uzVN]

found one at a great price i have spoken to a few workshops and they agree and have suggested seeing as i have a nitrous kit that i should go Mafless otr and Nitrous and think i will be pissing in 11's and running mid 12's easy off the bottle i already have 3.27 i think gears which is heaps 1st gear is already short and dont really need to be pulling another gear, also i wasn't looking at cracking a 12 i was looking at low 12's big differance

[eaton v8]

Just go the biggest lock up stall you can get you hands on. It will drive like a baby just like standerd till you realy stand on it or just bury your head in the sand and do your own thing there is enough people saying the exact Same thing but hey what do we know. You will never look back.

[dijm8]

m8 couple years ago when i had my vx calais, i cammed it etc everything besides the high stall...and it ###n drove like shit!!! a car with a cam needs a stall converter plain simple really...stop being a tight ass

[DAKSTER]

Why is bigger always better?

Stated objective.. trim a second off 1/4 mile, whilst still keeping the car an easy daily driver.
Obvious answer.. decent intake and exhaust, a good tune, and some track tyres.

Why complicate it with all the other stuff if low 12s is all you want?

Also, a bit confused about why happy gas is even a part of this conversation lol.. you want performance or you dont? If you think you wanna use gas, then build a more aggressive motor instead and have something you dont have to hide from the cops.

[SirNemesis]

It'd be a much nicer car with a stall and that cam. 6L80e's are more tolerant than 4L60e/4L65e's, but it'd still push and buck. You can get a tight enough converter that really doesn't have any negatives apart from cost. If you can afford the car you should be able to afford to do it right.

[1uzVN]

nitrous is an easy option to get the times down at the track already have the kit so why not use it, its not hard to disconect it between meets so cops arnt an issue
ive chased up track tyres, otr and exhuast
back to calder minus otr and tune to see if the exhuast and tyres help me out
nitrous will get put on and tuned with the otr