Holden proposing to race 'real' cars again
Guys if you check out V8 supercars website, (dont know how to post link accross), holden are proposing a return to racing cars more representative of road cars.
It may be the first step back to 'meaningful' racing ....rather the the plastic nascar style fake racing we have currently.
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There is a reason why Commodore is number 1 since 1979. Its the best Aussie car. I loved my VL and I love my VE. I cant help it.
Tells it like it is.
Yeah - it was in the paper the other day.
Best answer would be a Group A type formula. No turbos or AWD. I'd love to see the 500 hotties get released every year but in reality it's not going to happen thus homologation of parts will have to be based on another model. Expect a 10 year lifespan of the series before it needs to be reinvented again. The Brutes category would be an excellent basis to start with.
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very vague on this but i watched a race on tv the other day which was getting back to what i enjoy seeing. it was low budget, mostly vt and au falcons and the odd vn i think. I can't remember who was heading it but i think it might have been at oran park. wish i'd taken more notice now!
i've said before - i actually miss seeing that uncontrollable body roll on mt panorama - it all looks the same now and despite still enjoying watching it i certainly don't get the same thrill.
Originally Posted by jphanna
Its not really what they are saying. They are basically saying they don't want it to become like NASCAR's silhouette cars. At the moment, the cars do look like Commodores and Falcons. Look at the Toyota Camry in NASCAR. That thing does not resemble a Camry at all.
As long as teh cars look like their road going counterparts then there will be no problems.
Simple, replaace supercars with BRUTES.
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One thing there shouldn't be which I'm sure the Brute formula has is different rule for each make. A simple rule wold be, base models only for racing, basic suspension mods, camshaft and head mods allowed (porting only) and tune them however which way you want. Leaving them with standard bottom ends and a 7000 limit would be fine these days. Keeping them with base model cars would keep the costs down, ie no specials but it would force them to put the top line engine as an option on the base models which is a good thing
I don't think the idea of base model cars only is any good. I would say that the majority of people would prefer to see an ss/xr8 or even gt/clubby get around a track rather than a poverty pack omega or xt.
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Fantastic racing that stuff. I think its just called saloon racing - ummm grabbing at the memory strings a bit but "E" class comes to mind.
SBS have it at times and it's top stuff to watch - like the HQ's great racing at times.
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Yes, its saloon cars. It got abit boring in the fact the same guy won it 2 (maybe 3, stopped keeping track) years running.
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like most people have said, I'd also love to see touring cars get back as near as possible to the road going models. The current series is a load of crap - Commodore SHELL against Ford SHELL. Diff oil coolers, massive fuel pumps... and all sorts of rubbish that you don't find in either model.
They are nice race cars , but they are not commodores and falcons.
But if you have seen what happened to the old class's and the race specials, only base models can work
I see what you mean with that but id just say that people would want to see the sport models getting around not the base models
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Yeah I read a few weeks back they are also thinking about opening it up to other car manufacturers, but only on the basis that they use V8 engines. Hopefully they start putting some ideas into action get people back to the sport.
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problem with it is the utes are starting to go that way too
control tyre, control suspension. The SS is de-tuned so its 6 litres isnt too tough for the 5.4 of the XR8, aftermarket exhaust. When they first started you beauty - chuck a roll cage into a ute and run some ducting to the front brakes via the hole left by the fog lights.
BTW there is a series out there that run 6 bangers we were watching it on TV late one night, they were at Bathurst (I think the Bathurst Motor Festival) there were VT S packs, AU XR6 and a few VN 6 bangers all going for itNow THAT was interesting
FYI
Holden Motorsport Manager, Simon McNamara, has forewarned that the manufacturer will pull out of the category if the next generation of V8 Supercars is too far removed from the road-going models.
At the Skycity Triple Crown in Darwin last weekend, V8 Supercars Australia Executive Chairman, Tony Cochrane, announced that former driver Mark Skaife will chair a Car of the Future committee.
Cochrane said the only terms of reference for the committee is that the next generation of Supercars must have a V8 engine and that the whole car costs less than $250,000.
McNamara said if the committee decided on a silhouette car, like what is used in Nascar, Holden would not be a participant.
“If they get to the point where it’s a silhouette program for example, forget it, we won’t be doing it,” he warned after Cochrane made the announcement.
“Under no circumstances will we race in that format because it’s not our car.
“These cars,” McNamara said gesturing to the Kelly Racing cars in the pit garages at Darwin, “are purpose-built race cars, but they represent a Commodore and a Falcon; they look the same; they’ve got the swinging doors and bonnets and headlights and that sort of stuff that works.
“A significant percentage of the fan base still think of them as SS and XR8 done up which is great, plus with E85 and some other stuff we are getting significant learnings out of it.”
McNamara described V8 Supercars as a proving ground for Holden’s road-going cars.
“If it turns out that it’s not a proving ground anymore then you can’t justify doing it, especially in the current (economic) climate,” he said.
The manufacturer’s position was not totally selfish, McNamara said, because it also wanted to ensure that its teams remained viable when the next generation of Supercar is introduced.
“If it stacks up and the cars are still representative of what we want them to be then that’s great; no problem.
“But if it gets to the point where the cars are tubular space frame chassis with fibreglass bodies and stick-on headlights, Holden won’t be racing that. Simple!”
Holden is open to other manufacturers entering the sport, but McNamara said the company would appreciate being part of discussions on the future of V8 Supercars.
“My MD (Mark Reuss) is keen on other manufacturers coming in because he just wants to beat everybody and that’s fair enough.
“It’s open for anybody if they want to come in, but it needs to be applicable for what they sell.
“And everyone seems to forget about the fact that Holden and Ford have been in it for a very long time and spent a lot of money on it.”
http://www.v8supercars.com.au/conten...of_silhouette/
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I say good on 'em...as it is the Supertaxis are already boring enough, without it becoming even more like NASCAR.
Remember watching the DJ Shell Sierra turbos, the nissan skyline sillhouttes, the skyline gtr turbo's, jim richards Benson & Hedges BMW, Brocky in a Volvo, Bertalucci in an Alfa, and Big names coming from overseas to race ?
Bring that back.
Several classes, based on capacity and modification, competing for outright and class vistories. That was entertaining racing.
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I loved watching the 6's of falcon and commodore EA VN go at it years ago. And i do miss the variety of the car makers.
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The thing that is disappointing in the current series is the stupid politics of it..... the Ford guys seemed to have the most pull when it came to whining about the dominance of the Holdens... the Holdens were penalised because Ford threatened to pull out. All the good engineers went to Ford..... hence the current dominance of the Fords. Although, they all use the same suspension components, fuel system, cranks...... cooling systems, the list is endless!! although i do believe they use their own heads.... and the Fords currently have a bit more grunt than the Holdens.
If they went back to the Group C days.... now that was racing!!
The only issue with production based series.... you go back to the bad days of Holden winning and the Fords guys complaining about it.
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Look with the current state of V8 racing my understanding is that the Officals want it more driver related as in the cars are of the same perforamce and it just comes down to invidividual drivers skills that eventually win the race which is good in away for spectators
But outside the box of racing and down at your local Holden and Ford dealershep "WE" customers buy Holden or Ford because car perforance and rivalry which was a must when watching Production Racing thats why we buy Holdens and Fords
plus they are both very good Australian made condition cars which were very affordable and reliable cars cheap to run
Having said that times have changed Fuel Consumption 4cyl, cars.. $$$$
What im trying to say is..... Thats why you wont see productions cars racing again...
More of driver skills than car perforance in V8 racing....
Customer demand is not for V8 or V6 at your local Holden or Ford dealership anymore....
why not try 4cly racing LOL OMG........ in Astras or even in a CRUIZE OMG.....
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hmmmmm NO its boring enough now
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You guys should check out the " iRace" web site.... that was prob who you where watching on SBS. They also have a new category starting in two weeks called the HDT cup..... Can't wait. It will be the next big thing in Australian motor sport.
HDT cup just means the destruction of almost every single last VB-VL Commodore :S
Tells it like it is.
I thought the Commodore cup has been doing that for a decade or so?
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It has, but this is going to be much more popular more like HQ racing as when it started because it's a cheaper class, when HQ racing first started there were cars from EVERYWHERE being built to race, in every town. We have no Commodore cup racers from around here, just a few historics. I don't know whats wrong with go karts? they are a better race car anyway if you want to go racing for the fun of it, just a bit smaller :P
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