possiably off topic

[Patrio7]

well one thing has had me wondering for a little while.

do v8 supercars have abs?

i've never really known forsure and we do see the occasional wheel lockup which hints to me no they dont but then again what if the abs was slow orsomething which would cover a second or so delay in the brake pump.

im not 100% sure. though on the other hand if they dont have abs v8 supercar must be damn hard. between shifting braking turning and watching out for someone else trying to squeeze past you must make them awesome drivers.

[Mr_Thoughtfull]

nope, thats why they lock up wheels

[Patrio7]

fair enough.

i would make an outcry demanding they put it in but that would take all the fun and mroe importantly, the skill out of it. nothing like some driver forgeting who he is for a second only to wind up sliding right off the track :P

*and now we switch to incar view ofr the replay*

"yes mast..... OH SHIT ### ### ### SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEE bam........ bugger...... BASTARD!"

or something :P

*wanders off rambling in own tangent*

[holden#1]

ABS is designed to help the driver maintain control of the vehicle during emergency braking situations, not make the car stop more quickly. ABS may shorten stopping distances on wet or slippery roads and many systems will shorten stopping distances on dry roads. On very soft surfaces, such as loose gravel or unpacked snow, an ABS system may actually lengthen stopping distances.
i may be wrong, but i believe a SKILLED driver can outbrake an abs braking system in most cases. (especially dry bitumen).
also, it would take the fun out of it.

[pandaman]

ABS is designed to help the driver maintain control of the vehicle during emergency braking situations, not make the car stop more quickly. ABS may shorten stopping distances on wet or slippery roads and many systems will shorten stopping distances on dry roads. On very soft surfaces, such as loose gravel or unpacked snow, an ABS system may actually lengthen stopping distances.
i may be wrong, but i believe a SKILLED driver can outbrake an abs braking system in most cases. (especially dry bitumen).
also, it would take the fun out of it.

Makes sense from where I'm sitting. ABS is cheating anyway

[minux]

ABS is designed to help the driver maintain control of the vehicle during emergency braking situations, not make the car stop more quickly. ABS may shorten stopping distances on wet or slippery roads and many systems will shorten stopping distances on dry roads. On very soft surfaces, such as loose gravel or unpacked snow, an ABS system may actually lengthen stopping distances.
i may be wrong, but i believe a SKILLED driver can outbrake an abs braking system in most cases. (especially dry bitumen).
also, it would take the fun out of it.

Yep you are wrong, talk to the PBR test driver's who test brakes 12 hours a day 5 days a week. They will tell you straight out that even the best of driver's cant pull up a car as well as ABS can. I beleive a while back Ayrton Senna and McLaren did a promo of ABS F1 vs Non ABS F1, was something like 29 metres further stopping difference without ABS. Now imagine the differences around a racetrack.

[pandaman]

Yep you are wrong, talk to the PBR test driver's who test brakes 12 hours a day 5 days a week. They will tell you straight out that even the best of driver's cant pull up a car as well as ABS can. I beleive a while back Ayrton Senna and McLaren did a promo of ABS F1 vs Non ABS F1, was something like 29 metres further stopping difference without ABS. Now imagine the differences around a racetrack.

Hmmm, hadn't heard anything about that, I might just go look it up. The ABS used on a race car would have to be setup differently than a road car though, also, it might adversely affect the feel of the car. Would be interesting to see it implemented in a racing series, just for fun.

[vt1538]

If they decided to run an ABS system on the cars I doubt that they would be able to fine tune the brake bias on the fly. Remember that they have a constant struggle keeping the car in trim over varying fuel loads & tyre conditions.

[minux]

If they decided to run an ABS system on the cars I doubt that they would be able to fine tune the brake bias on the fly. Remember that they have a constant struggle keeping the car in trim over varying fuel loads & tyre conditions.

They used to run ABS systems....

[Rombles]

I know they are not Commodores and are therefore irrelevant, but in Carrera Cup they run ABS. (Or if they don't this year they did last year - or is it new for this year - I can't remember)

[jules]

If they decided to run an ABS system on the cars I doubt that they would be able to fine tune the brake bias on the fly. Remember that they have a constant struggle keeping the car in trim over varying fuel loads & tyre conditions.

you don't need to worry about brake bias with ABS. the ABS will take care of that automatically by releasing the rears if there is too much rear bias, or vice versa.

in road cars, Electronic Brake Distribution actually redistributes brake pressure front-to-rear if the ABS detects rear or front bias (via lockup).

[Streetvision]

fair enough.

i would make an outcry demanding they put it in but that would take all the fun and mroe importantly, the skill out of it. nothing like some driver forgeting who he is for a second only to wind up sliding right off the track :P

*and now we switch to incar view ofr the replay*

"yes mast..... OH SHIT ### ### ### SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEE bam........ bugger...... BASTARD!"

or something :P

*wanders off rambling in own tangent*

Reminds me of this video clip i saw along time ago, 1 car lost it and clipped this other car they both end up spinning out on to the grass, so this guy gets out of his car, goes up to the other guy who is still sitting in his car, and starts punching in through the window

[jules]

that was tony longhurst who punched his teammate paul morris in supertourers. morris' steering arm broke and he rammed longhurst's car. longhurst thought he must have done it deliberately and punched him. he apologised later but iirc morris left the team next season

[PaRaDoX]

remember the abs system has to weigh something, every kg they can save matters especially with that kinda power behind them and the strict rules

[Ripcell]

not really, there is a control minimum weight of 1350kg some teams carry ballast weight to make the weight cos some teams are under...

[immortality]

Yep you are wrong, talk to the PBR test driver's who test brakes 12 hours a day 5 days a week. They will tell you straight out that even the best of driver's cant pull up a car as well as ABS can. I beleive a while back Ayrton Senna and McLaren did a promo of ABS F1 vs Non ABS F1, was something like 29 metres further stopping difference without ABS. Now imagine the differences around a racetrack.

musta been done some tima ago, Senna been dead many years, maybe b 4 the time ABS come to be i believe. Carrera cup cars have ABS