Change In Supercars

bangers · #1 16-03-2006, 01:10 PM

there is talk of adding different makes into the world of supercars. whats the regs? it has to be a family car, it has to be RWD, it has to come out with 6cyl and V8 option, and it has to sell a certain amount in a year. Also it has to be primarily an aussie car, not european or american, doesn't it? so who's gonna step up to the challenge. talk is Mitsubishi. Umm ok, could be interesting. what about an aussie chrysler? that would be great to see. but do we really want any other cars other than Ford and Holden? If they do introduce other makes should it then be a separate class race? or should they all run together?

hakhawk · #2 16-03-2006, 02:39 PM

theres been talk of this for a few years now, main contenders are mitsubishi and toyota, but im pretty sure regs would make it the car has to come out in a v8, as thats what holden n ford are running. hence V8 supercars. and im pretty sure only toyota have a v8, not mitsubishi, and its only what a 4litre.

i doubt its gonna happen, leave them for the open classes, where they are running the clubbies n that in, all different cars.

ucwepn · #3 16-03-2006, 06:18 PM

OK the rules are as follows (roughly)= Ford falcon sedan or holden commodore sedan of no more than 5 years old of the current shape. modifications will need to be made to keep the cars up to date I.E-VX changed to VZ (extreme example). Control 5 litre holden motorsport engine (chev design identicle to the ford design),control double wishbone front suspension, control holinger 6 speed gearbox. All metal panels must be retained and all glasswork must be retained.

The rules change every year and I have lost interest in the sport since they ruined it by making all the cars into fords.

Toyota took a copy of the rulebooks to study but that was 4 years ago and nothing has been said since.

If toyota or mitsubishi were to enter they would have to enter RWD 5 litre cars that are either ford or holden under the shell LOL

hakhawk · #4 16-03-2006, 06:56 PM

so essentially, theyd be the same as the cars now, with a different look and other drivers, most likey guys currently in teams.

i prefer to watch the lower classes, they have more fun. oh, and the utes, theyre just nutso

Thomo · #5 18-03-2006, 07:30 PM

The word i heard was that holden laid down the law to avesco by saying if any other car makers come into the series that they will pull out all support completely.That was the word from my mates dad who worked for holden for 25 years.

Cheers

ucwepn · #6 22-03-2006, 08:36 PM

If holden withdrew factory support there would not be a big change as there are mostly control components supplied by 3rd party manufacturers. Holden just supply bare shells to the teams and they don't give them away.

1991_Vn2nV · #7 30-03-2006, 03:53 PM

Mitsubishi are the ones that want in on the V8 Supercars but they cant afford it. Toyota can afford it, but they arent as keen. Lets face it, its a huge gamble for Toyota. They would need to produce a large family sedan car with a V8, and with the gen IV holden engines its a very competitive market that Toyota would struggle to compete in. They would have to design a car and bring in a large, powerful engine that can compete with the Gen IV engine made by GM which is the largest automotive company in the world.

It would also take a few years to get out the flaws and for the first few years, Toyota would struggle in the V8 Supercars with little to no fans and it would be at the back of the pack at every round. Even if it only took 3 years to be competitive enough to win fans, imagine how much money Toyota would lose in those 3 years, especially when the point of the V8 Supercars is to earn buyers, which doesnt happen to losing teams.

ucwepn · #8 31-03-2006, 04:04 PM

The Chev 5 litres that holden use as holden motorsport engines are exactly identical in bore and stroke and the degree of the V, to the block that ford uses in V8 supercars, Its all about parity these days. Its an old chev design identcal to the for design that they dug the specs up for and make for V8's and call them holden motorsport engines.

Holdens in V8 supercars are also required to run double wishbone front suspension like the fords have.

So Avesco have litterally pegged the holden back to ford standard to make the racing more exciting.

Ford are behind by a few years at least (maybe 10) because they did not compete in touring car racing in Aus with a falcon after the XE right up until the EB came out.

Don't you think its strange that holden hardly lost a race and then all of a sudden ambrose starts winning?

Now you know why.

ucwepn · #9 31-03-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 1991_Vn2nV

Mitsubishi are the ones that want in on the V8 Supercars but they cant afford it. Toyota can afford it, but they arent as keen. Lets face it, its a huge gamble for Toyota. They would need to produce a large family sedan car with a V8, and with the gen IV holden engines its a very competitive market that Toyota would struggle to compete in. They would have to design a car and bring in a large, powerful engine that can compete with the Gen IV engine made by GM which is the largest automotive company in the world.

Theres a simple answer to that. Have Class A for V8 supercars, and class B for anyone else who thinks they can keep up with the engines they produce now (turbo or NA 6, whatever they want to run).

minux · #10 02-04-2006, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ucwepn

The Chev 5 litres that holden use as holden motorsport engines are exactly identical in bore and stroke and the degree of the V, to the block that ford uses in V8 supercars, Its all about parity these days. Its an old chev design identcal to the for design that they dug the specs up for and make for V8's and call them holden motorsport engines.

Holdens in V8 supercars are also required to run double wishbone front suspension like the fords have.

So Avesco have litterally pegged the holden back to ford standard to make the racing more exciting.

Ford are behind by a few years at least (maybe 10) because they did not compete in touring car racing in Aus with a falcon after the XE right up until the EB came out.

Don't you think its strange that holden hardly lost a race and then all of a sudden ambrose starts winning?

Now you know why.

Yup Project Blueprint sucks complete ford arse

Reaper · #11 02-04-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ucwepn

Theres a simple answer to that. Have Class A for V8 supercars, and class B for anyone else who thinks they can keep up with the engines they produce now (turbo or NA 6, whatever they want to run).

They have over subscribed grids now. Why would they let other stuff in?

Reaper

ucwepn · #12 03-04-2006, 08:35 PM

Not let new teams in but give the current teams options on a new manufacturer like toyota or bitsamissing (mitsubishi) and even Chrysler with the 300c, I'm sure the back markers would be more than interested in getting full factory support etc. IMO the days of group C and even group A were the golden ages of motorsport in Aus. V8's is getting monotonous especially when the fords and holdens are the same under the shells.

Pretender · #13 04-04-2006, 02:18 AM

This post may be pointless and off track but thanks for the lesson(no sarcasm intended at all). I was not aware of the rules regarding the motors. That's very interesting. I thought they ran their own motors based on the factory motors ie Gen III etc.
Does anyone know an up to date website that shows specs? Can't seem to find one.
Of note Toyota do produce a 5litre V8 for their Century(? could be the Nissan name) Limo and a 4.4litre and a 4.5litre (as well as a six), but it is irrelevant if they had to use the same motor as the others.