Your thoughts on removing V8 Supercar Wings

1991_Vn2nV · #1 09-08-2006, 01:10 PM

As im sure most people have heard by now, they are looking at removing the rear wing to decrease downforce along with part of the front splitter or something as well...

This will in theory make for better more interesting racing as it will allow for easier overtaking.... As at present a V8 Supercar struggles to overtake on a corner as when it leaves the slipstream from behind the car in front, it loses downforce and therefore grip, making it too hard to overtake during cornering....

But at the same time this will obviously slow the cars down... What do you think? Good idea or bad?

calais_304 · #2 09-08-2006, 04:30 PM

ooo this is a hard one.... but i'd say leave them on, it's just not v8 supercars without them

Ripcell · #3 09-08-2006, 04:51 PM

would make driving them a bitch, ide say to leave it on, would be a change for the worst if they removed it. it wouldnt be a race car then, people who own ricers take the wing off. would be a criminal thing to do to a big aussie car

NickVR · #4 09-08-2006, 07:01 PM

that would make it more dangerous racing and drive up costs of fixing cars. imagine how unstable they would become at high sppeds without the spoilers and splitters. bad idea i think and it just not gunna be the same having v8 supercars without the spoilers on them. just like them suggesting that bitsaremissing (mitsubishi) and toyota (sorry no funny name for this one) joining in. they wanna get on the band wagon cos they see the publicity and go i want some. just my 2c.

azkwazere · #5 09-08-2006, 07:16 PM

They only exert like 10newtons @ 200kmh or something to that effect, get rid of them......

aZk.

greenfoam · #6 10-08-2006, 12:24 AM

Anyone remeber seeing Dick Johnson have the mounts on his wing snap just as he went into caltex chase, he was on race cam at the time and cut loose with a few choice words as he went flying off the road in a 280? km/h spin

Pretender · #7 10-08-2006, 03:02 AM

The cars would only be slightly more unstable without them. Remember they don't go that fast to start with.
If Toyota and Mitsubishi joined in it would just be the same as the cars are so restricted under the current rules.
Why not go back to proper touring car racing and let the fast cars back in.
Holden and Ford would have to really fight for a win which would make it more entertaining. If they can't win they would have to wear it and improve their cars, not just ban the quicker cars this time.

immortality · #8 10-08-2006, 06:42 AM

removing the rear wings and front splitter would make it dangerous, watch the cars carefully next time at bathurst at the end of Conrod into the chase at 290kph+, watch how they move around with the wings etc. sure without wings etc their would be more overtaking but they would be much slower around the track also

and as for Toycar and bitsaremissing, i don't believe they currently have a suitable platform to enter the V8supercar catergory, i.e. rear wheel drive, pushrod V8 engine etc i woulda thought maybe another American(dodge maybe, 300c) or possibly a European manufacturer as the 3rd contender.

1991_Vn2nV · #9 10-08-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pretender

The cars would only be slightly more unstable without them. Remember they don't go that fast to start with.
If Toyota and Mitsubishi joined in it would just be the same as the cars are so restricted under the current rules.
Why not go back to proper touring car racing and let the fast cars back in.
Holden and Ford would have to really fight for a win which would make it more entertaining. If they can't win they would have to wear it and improve their cars, not just ban the quicker cars this time.

Wat you mean not that quick? 0-100 in 4 seconds flat is pretty fast imo...

The thing with the 3rd contender is... Mitsubishi want to but cant afford to... Toyota can afford to, but dont really want to.

Imo if there is a 3rd contender they should ditch the 5.0L V8's... Make the cars run the engines they do in performance production states... i.e. Holden with a 6.0L LS2, Ford get their 5.4L and Toyota or Chrysler get their own as well, whatever size that may be.

Pretender · #10 10-08-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1991_Vn2nV

Wat you mean not that quick? 0-100 in 4 seconds flat is pretty fast imo...

The thing with the 3rd contender is... Mitsubishi want to but cant afford to... Toyota can afford to, but dont really want to.

Imo if there is a 3rd contender they should ditch the 5.0L V8's... Make the cars run the engines they do in performance production states... i.e. Holden with a 6.0L LS2, Ford get their 5.4L and Toyota or Chrysler get their own as well, whatever size that may be.

I was referring to speed. 0 - 100 in 4 seconds is quick by road car standards but not in a race car. The increment 100 - 200 though is very quick.
As a benchmark, the top rally cars hit 200 in under 5 seconds.

Bathurst at 290 is fast enough but it is the only track where they can reach anywhere near this speed.

I just think the V8 Supercar Series has been strangled by the current rules.

I would love to see the open and fast production car racing again with as many brands taking part.

1991_Vn2nV · #11 10-08-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretender

I was referring to speed. 0 - 100 in 4 seconds is quick by road car standards but not in a race car. The increment 100 - 200 though is very quick.
As a benchmark, the top rally cars hit 200 in under 5 seconds.

Bathurst at 290 is fast enough but it is the only track where they can reach anywhere near this speed.

I just think the V8 Supercar Series has been strangled by the current rules.

I would love to see the open and fast production car racing again with as many brands taking part.

0-200 in under 5 seconds? Are you sure?

The F1 cars do 0-200 in 4 seconds... No way would a rally car be almost equivalent to an F1 car in acceleration?

immortality · #12 10-08-2006, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretender

I was referring to speed. 0 - 100 in 4 seconds is quick by road car standards but not in a race car. The increment 100 - 200 though is very quick.
As a benchmark, the top rally cars hit 200 in under 5 seconds.

Bathurst at 290 is fast enough but it is the only track where they can reach anywhere near this speed.

I just think the V8 Supercar Series has been strangled by the current rules.

I would love to see the open and fast production car racing again with as many brands taking part.

Sounds a bit quick, 200kph in 5sec??? the other thing to remember is that rally cars aren't geared to hit 300kph, hell, they probably don't get over 200kph much especially in the twisty gravel stuff. the other thing about removing the wings & splitters is that it would reduce braking performance greatly so instead of the V8 SC going flat through the chase they would be having to lift already and applying the breaks a lot earlier. the reason the V8 SC aren't that quick form 0 -100 is probably cause the Engines actually have a narrow powerband which is high in the rev range(5500 - 7500rpm) and the fact that they use a close ratio box which tend to have a long first gear i.e. they hit 100kph in first and when they get the green light they have to keep the revs high otherwise they tend to bog which means wheelspin and a slowish 0 -100 time