Holden and Ford to maybe run the same chassis - Nascar style..

[1991_Vn2nV]

What's everyones opinion on this?

They want Holden and Ford vehicles to run the same chassis to cust costs, much like the Nascar series in the US.

So basically, the cars will be the exact same apart from the engine and body panels which will resemble the car brand.

I think its taking it too far, if anything they should be going back to the standard vehicle bodies.

[azkwazere]

yeah, siff itll make any difference at all...

They should only be able to race exec's hahaha.... Just stock v6 and straight 6 engines... that would be funny as, no body mods or nothing... hahah

But seriously, chassis will be pointless...

aZk.

[Benboy]

Will never happen. Motor racing is all about competition and the best vehicle winning. Even with the 'parity' system that exists for V8s I reckon stinks as it removes the true competitive nature of the sport. Seems to me that it is biased toward Ford anyway. They always seem to be struggling to catch up and make the pace.

[50LTRv8]

Yawn

I have stopped even noticing the V8's now. Why not run the same chassis, would you even notice the difference on TV?,

As of the new rules, they run the same aero, front and rear suspension, gearbox, diff (with limited ratios).

There are probably more but can't think right now.

They may as well just get a one make series (BMW Minis anyone)

50LTRv8

[feistl]

Im totally over the V8s these days. Boring as ****, especially since we are seeing quickshift gearboxes.

However, has anyone been watching the pre races? With the V8 Monaros, Evos, Lotus's etc? Brilliant. I think its brilliant. You've got fast cars through the corners (Lotus elise, evos, wrx etc) and fast cars down the straights (V8 Monaros etc)

Much more entertaining.

[88GreenVN]

Wont matter what the use. Still boring most of the time. Follow the leader. All just about make the same noise and change gears at the same spot.

Give me the V8 Utes any day - bit of biff n barge.

Nascar is used as sleeping pills in my house. Put a Nascar tape on and I'm asleep in no time

[greenfoam]

Yeah screw the supertaxis it's been going down hill for years. They stuffed it up when Ford had a crapy body / aero shape and needed help to catch up ever since then it's been getting more ridiculous every year. I'll stick with my Formula one sure the rules are also stricter then they used to be but at and least you get to make your own car / engine. I'd like to see touring cars like the old days but it would need to be simply V8 execs or whatever is the most base model with a V8 or Ford Turbo. In fact I'd like to see a 6 litre VE, XR8 and XR6T stock for stock and a SC Aurion too . They would have to ban limited run Bathurst specials being built because as cool as those cars were they ruined the class in the end. So yeah stock cars with huge ass cages for safety and I'd be pretty happy. No doubt a FG turbo would win for the next couple of years if it held together long enough but times change and you have to put up with one model dominating from time to time

[brayden_87]

yeah, siff itll make any difference at all...

They should only be able to race exec's hahaha.... Just stock v6 and straight 6 engines... that would be funny as, no body mods or nothing... hahah

But seriously, chassis will be pointless...

aZk.

i agree lol

that would make it alot more interesting. Vx-Vz's with no traction control racing around the track in stock V6s haha id pay to see that.

imagine if they crashed "air bags deployed"
tyre flat "get out the jack and the spare"

..... for the chassis part.
pointless, more different they are, the better.

[immortality]

bring back grp A racing

[greenfoam]

i agree lol

that would make it alot more interesting. Vx-Vz's with no traction control racing around the track in stock V6s haha id pay to see that.

imagine if they crashed "air bags deployed"
tyre flat "get out the jack and the spare"

..... for the chassis part.
pointless, more different they are, the better.

There's a class of racing on TV fairly often for the 6's, right now it's VT vs AU, the AU's are faster most races but there's a couple of VT's that win once in a while

[greenfoam]

YouTube - Bathurst saloon car


QUICK KWIATKOWSKI SCORES FIRST WIN - TASCCO The Home of Saloon Car Racing
Check this out

[immortality]

that looks like fun. iwould give a lot to thrash a car around bathurst for a few laps

[Reaper]

bring back grp A racing

Group A was very biased towards the turbo cars. Essentially the rules were written around engine capacity which allowed the turbo Sierras and later Nissans to put out insane hp whilst carrying less weight and more tyre. How the Holdens got over the line at Bathurst first in the years that they did was more a tribute to the other teams failures rather than their own speed. I don't think we want to go back to GroupA. Nobody will turn up let alone watch on TV.

The current formula could be improved though. They are not very far from a silhouette class now truth be known. Maybe a hybrid Group C, Group A and current spec would be a better solution? I have very little interest in V8 SC these days.

Reaper

[immortality]

Group A was very biased towards the turbo cars. Essentially the rules were written around engine capacity which allowed the turbo Sierras and later Nissans to put out insane hp whilst carrying less weight and more tyre. How the Holdens got over the line at Bathurst first in the years that they did was more a tribute to the other teams failures rather than their own speed. I don't think we want to go back to GroupA. Nobody will turn up let alone watch on TV.

The current formula could be improved though. They are not very far from a silhouette class now truth be known. Maybe a hybrid Group C, Group A and current spec would be a better solution? I have very little interest in V8 SC these days.

Reaper

i don't really know a lot about the exact rules but atleast with the grp C/grp A rules they were more stock then they are now.

certainly as suggested a combination GRP C/A rules would be the way to go

the current format is to controlled with a certain bias towards one side in my opinion, they just haven't admitted the fact. might as well call it auzcar

[Pub247]

The thing i dontlike about is its not really holden vs. ford I mean its only the exterior that looks different they run basically everything else the sameexcept obvious chassis and the motors arent either ford or holden. It has definetly gone down hill in the last few years.
I much more into F1 people might say it boring and there not much passing.
Nascar is horrible watching cars go round in circles damn american have some of the most boring sport in the world

[ashbox]

yeah i must admit, i'd rather watch f1, utes and the production car series than V8 SC. If they did bring back grp A racing ford would fill the field ith F6 typhoons cos there GT-P wouldn't be able to keep up with a gts or clubby, even then holden would prob release another gts-r just too **** them off

[goVZ]

They better bloody not! Personally I'd like to see them go back to the way it used to be - back when they'd take a car off the lot, take out the spare tyre and the back seat, throw in a roll cage and go racing for the weekend - and then the very next day you could go to the local dealer and buy a car pretty much exactly the same as what won the race on the weekend. Not only would it be more exciting to watch, but it would also be a good R&D excersise for the manufacturers, IMHO.

[minux]

I watched a race of V8 Super trains the other weekend...my god how boring has it got. Whatever happened to using these races to R & D new toys for road cars. How anyone can barrack for ford or holden in this poor form of racing has me beat, the cars are basically the bloody same.

Should be SS vs XR8, no turboes, no superchargers, just raw engines with limited mods.

F1 will certainly become interesting with slicks next year and then the KERS system in 2010(if approved) should make for some great racing.

[ucwepn]

I think its time for a big update of our top domestic touring car class,

My 2c is as follows

*Allow other manufacturers entry (even in their own class (challengers class??) or are you scared of the big bad foreign cars??)

*Run the engines and drivetrains that are in the road cars (This will show the TRUE reliability and performance of the brands IMHO)

*Less emphasis on "parity" more emphasis on letting the catagory "evolve" you can't please holden and ford fans every week LOL, domination can make for boring racing but lack of variety is far worse

* When holden finally release turbo commodore lets have a "turbo supercar class" running alongside the v8's (picture v8 supercar with big a$$ cooler at the front, hektik doses maaaate), this will attract a whole new audience and ensure the catagory grows, instead of going to boring ruins

*Avesco stop being scared of group A LOL its gone forget it, but what you are doing to our premier domestic class may suit the average joe who thinks they are highly modified roadcars, but to the true fans who understand what v8 supercars are we are just sad at what our beloved sport has become. Project blueprint=Epic fail


and some quick facts: a v8 supercar costs $500,000 and takes 5.5 months to build, the 5 litres holden and ford run are identicle stroke and bore and the degree of the V is the same (holden motorsport block casting actually old chev design)


I agree with the posters about F1 seen some of the best racing of any catagory of motorsport this year after they banned Traction control. 850hp/550kg with driver = exciting racing (for me anyway)

[88GreenVN]

In a Ford dealership the other (getting dad a Focus) they said by 2011 the big Falcon will be gone.

So what are they going to do

[Reaper]

I think its time for a big update of our top domestic touring car class,

My 2c is as follows

*Allow other manufacturers entry (even in their own class (challengers class??) or are you scared of the big bad foreign cars??)

*Run the engines and drivetrains that are in the road cars (This will show the TRUE reliability and performance of the brands IMHO)

*Less emphasis on "parity" more emphasis on letting the catagory "evolve" you can't please holden and ford fans every week LOL, domination can make for boring racing but lack of variety is far worse

* When holden finally release turbo commodore lets have a "turbo supercar class" running alongside the v8's (picture v8 supercar with big a$$ cooler at the front, hektik doses maaaate), this will attract a whole new audience and ensure the catagory grows, instead of going to boring ruins

*Avesco stop being scared of group A LOL its gone forget it, but what you are doing to our premier domestic class may suit the average joe who thinks they are highly modified roadcars, but to the true fans who understand what v8 supercars are we are just sad at what our beloved sport has become. Project blueprint=Epic fail
(for me anyway)

What you have described is production racing which has been around forever in one form or another. 2 men and a dog turn up to watch it (actually the dog is lost and the blokes are hiding from their wives).

Reaper

[ucwepn]

ya but thats production car style racing, i was thinking more a group A type of spec like the v8's were from '93-'03 (even tho they were obviously running gen 3's at the time in the vy roadcars it was the last real holden before project blueprint).

bugger off the fords all together and have one hell of a commodore cup LOL i'll still watch (and i'll bring the dog hehe)

Holden and ford have it too good i reckon, they do minimal devopment, the rules never change. are they going to run 5.0's forever?? Avesco need to do something with it.

[ucwepn]

In a Ford dealership the other (getting dad a Focus) they said by 2011 the big Falcon will be gone.

So what are they going to do

They just launched a new platform they usually keep a platform for around 10 years and do minor facelifts over its life. but ya never know with the price of fuel goin up n up what will happen with our big cars

Torana vs mini falcon?

[minux]

lol, Ford dealers obviously know more than the engineers designing the new car. I have a friend who works on the engine R & D, I doubt they would spend the money they have been developing the V6 to suit Aussie application in 2010 for just 1 year of use.

[Twin Turbos ROCK MY CHASIS]

I think going back to closer to factory is a great idea (SS VS XR8), having turbos would be pointless but maybe a sub group (like the utes) for it would be interesting... even force holden to bring out a turbo variant of its current lineup.

IF (and thats a big if) it would be worthwhile letting in other car makers enter it would need to be on the same par with v8s only! Whilst it would be entertaining for the first few races having V8s Vs turbo 6-4s, it would get real boring real quickly.....

Don't watch the v8 SC series anymore, puts me to sleep.... utes are worth a watch though!