Holdens Bathurst ****-up

[immortality]

well once again bathurst has been and gone and we have another Ford win. another 12 months of hassles from my family who drive fords. thanks guys.

seriously, it's time the clutch guy at HRT gets the boot. i can't remember how many times it's been now that a HRT car has fried it's clutch of the front of the grid at bathurst. once is to many in my book.

Once again Greg Murphy and Jason Richards have flown the flag for the Holden camp. it's time you aussies get behind these guys because at this stage they seem to be the only Holden drivers who has any chance of taking it to the ford camp when it comes to winning at bathurst

[Tom_1569]

Didnt watch it all, hungover, and had to head home from melbourne so missed a fair bit.
What I did find pretty upsetting was that Garth got a 10 second penalty for "jump starting" when his clutch blew and he moved a couple of inches forward, clearly not to his advantage when he went from 1st to near last in a couple of seconds.

[dbarnes]

I miss when Lowndes drove for HRT :P
I learnt today he only went to Ford as they agreed to include him in merchandise sales after Holden refused when it was time to renew his contract those x amount of years ago...
Traitor
Even though Ford won, it was still an interesting race I think

[Pub247]

Lowndes has always been a ford man man and they can keep him. We need better young talent like winterbottom and courtney

[LightningVP]

Lowndes has always been a ford man man and they can keep him. We need better young talent like winterbottom and courtney

and me lol

[stocky]

and me lol

neons have no place at mount panorama

[Torquative]

yeh tell me about it, this year was a promising year and wallah, once again its all over

As my ford mate said at bloody 8am this morning "its 2006 all over again, HRT on pole, FPR on 2nd. FPR have an electrical issue that they'll fix by the green flag and HRT will fry a clutch"

sure enough shortly after 10:30am i watched in horror as it came true.

It was promising to see my car and team go from last into the first corner find their way through the traffic, when I checked a few laps into it they were 15, then 14 then up towards the pointy end.. 10 Seconds for "jumping the start" well fair call I guess, the car was trying to pull away before the light had gone green and at least they used their brain instead of giving a drive through for it.

They carved up the traffic and I was happy, til about 2:00 when, in dejavu I see the red rocket hit the wall and bam, theres the replay of 2006, and 2007.

I had a good feeling all week about car #39 but it died in the arse towards teh end, and car #3 as dad likes Murph and Richards.

I was a bit peeved at the safety cars 15 odd laps out when we had 3 just 2 laps apart. The top 3 cars were all running low on fuel, them few laps were enough to take all 3 from the danger zone. Playing the fuel game wouldve been interesting to see.

IMHO I didnt want to see Richo (FPR) slow murph down because I reckon had Murph been able to come up on Lowndes bumper there would've been some good push and shove, especially after lap 1 and especially when we've seen murph do it before to prove a point (ambrose)

But did anyone notice it was only the holdens putting on the entertainment ie having issues? It was as if Ford went into boring mode.

I was however happy with no safety cars for the first 60 laps, it meant the drivers had to acctually drive

Oh well so another years gone, Ive been building up for it over the past 3 weeks. I even stopped in at Sirromet wines when I was in QLD 3 weekends ago and brought a bottle with the hope of opening it at 5 tonight to celebrate Holden winning it, i have a bottle of wine for NYE now

On the plus side Im getting better and quicker at rearranging my loungeroom to accomodate a projector and more people

[Torquative]

oh and some other things that come to mind

- Holdens road car problems filter to their race cars. A VE with a slipping clutch (car 1), which has happened to my mates manual SV6, a commodore with a power steering issue (Car 39) which is happening to my VZ at the moment, brake performance not there as such (car 1 into the wall although thats also driver error) and Holden service forgetting to do stuff (car #3 with the window wash down)

- no rain on Sunday at all, which is odd

[1991_Vn2nV]

oh and some other things that come to mind

- Holdens road car problems filter to their race cars. A VE with a slipping clutch (car 1), which has happened to my mates manual SV6, a commodore with a power steering issue (Car 39) which is happening to my VZ at the moment, brake performance not there as such (car 1 into the wall although thats also driver error) and Holden service forgetting to do stuff (car #3 with the window wash down)

- no rain on Sunday at all, which is odd

The V8 Supercars have pretty much nothing in common with any road going Ford or Holden.

[VrWagz1]

The V8 Supercars have pretty much nothing in common with any road going Ford or Holden.

Even though bathurst is an epic race and i like to whatch the v8's race, i generally like to whatch the production cars go round, atleats you can whatch them race and atleast know theres some parts in there belonging to the original vehicle.

[immortality]

i missed the start, was driving back from rotorua to auckland. did it in record time too 2hrs. it's a shame that murph was held up for the last few laps, he had the speed to catch lowndes and then it woulda been interesting.

not exactly sure what happened between lowndes and murph at the start?

[Darren]

As sad as it is I have pretty much lost all interest in the V8's and that sadly also includes Bathurst, I just don't find it good to watch anymore and will settle for the minute on the news.

From what I heard from a couple of people so far the start was once again ford should be called 'the untouchables' they rarely cop anything and can do no wrong.

[VT-565]

As sad as it is I have pretty much lost all interest in the V8's and that sadly also includes Bathurst, I just don't find it good to watch anymore and will settle for the minute on the news.

I'm much the same, I checked the updates once on tv, then that was it.
While I really do appreciate the engineering and effort that goes in to these vehicles, we are becoming more 'americanised' all the time. It really isn't what it used to be. They just don't have enough cubes to keep me entertained anymore.

"Most racers drive around for hours looking for the finish line, REAL racers drive 400m straight at it"

[immortality]

As sad as it is I have pretty much lost all interest in the V8's and that sadly also includes Bathurst, I just don't find it good to watch anymore and will settle for the minute on the news.

From what I heard from a couple of people so far the start was once again ford should be called 'the untouchables' they rarely cop anything and can do no wrong.

sad but true. i only seriously watched the last 1/2 hr. was good to watch murph hunt down the fords. there was something odd with the 888 cars. they seemed to use a LOT less fuel. also there refueling rig seemed to flow more fuel then everybody elses. i always thought that these were control items so that everybody required the same time to fill the same amount of fuel?

as much as a love and support Holden, if i was to enter the racing i'd be in a ford. seems like everything is geared towards em. will be interesting to see what happens next year with ford pulling the sponsorship from 2 ofthe faster ford teams vodafone/888 and the jim beam cars. thats gonna put a big dent in there pockets

[stocky]

I'm much the same, I checked the updates once on tv, then that was it.
While I really do appreciate the engineering and effort that goes in to these vehicles, we are becoming more 'americanised' all the time. It really isn't what it used to be. They just don't have enough cubes to keep me entertained anymore.

"Most racers drive around for hours looking for the finish line, REAL racers drive 400m straight at it"

its becoming too americanised, but you want bigger engines and 400 metre tracks to keep you entertained? thats a very american way of thinking

sad but true. i only seriously watched the last 1/2 hr. was good to watch murph hunt down the fords. there was something odd with the 888 cars. they seemed to use a LOT less fuel. also there refueling rig seemed to flow more fuel then everybody elses. i always thought that these were control items so that everybody required the same time to fill the same amount of fuel?

yeah i thought that was a bit odd too. they mentioned this year they have limiters of 3.5L per second or something, and then they mentioned how the ford had a faster filling system. whats going on there

[Phreddy]

As sad as it is I have pretty much lost all interest in the V8's and that sadly also includes Bathurst, I just don't find it good to watch anymore and will settle for the minute on the news.

From what I heard from a couple of people so far the start was once again ford should be called 'the untouchables' they rarely cop anything and can do no wrong.

Mate, I couldn't agree more!!! The V8's are just about history for me too - I have been watching the races, but it's just becoming more episodes of "The Triple 8 Show, starring Craigie and Jamie-poo, with special guests Tony Cochrane, Tomas Mezera, and their Wastes of Space official team."

("Driving Standards Observer" - what a bloody JOKE!!)

Seriously, once the high end officials remove their Ford / Triple 8 sponsored blinkers, then the racing might become interesting again. But come on fellas - what's good for the goose is just as good for the bloody gander. Lowndes and his mates have been pushing and barging their way through for the last couple of seasons at least - and they truly are UNTOUCHABLE! Whereas they penalise the Holden teams every time they possibly can, with the most minor and pedantic of infringements. Don't give them a tap though, they go crying to their good friends in the race control.

Are there any V8 Supercar officials reading this post?? You're a biased pack of bastards - Triple 8 got you on the payroll?? Or maybe Craigie and Jamie-poo do the best BJs, is that it fellas?

All in all, if the Ford fans want to crow about this "victory", then let 'em. There's no pride in a win like that, it's too easy to win when you have all the officials in your pocket. They were doing it all last season as well, but Garth still took the trophy.

[EvoVIIIJDM]

who cares who wins. Same **** different badge.

I saw some toss bag at the servo with "Go Ford" written in the dust on the back of his XR6. I thought mate you are a toolbag.

[markovr]

Mate, I couldn't agree more!!! The V8's are just about history for me too - I have been watching the races, but it's just becoming more episodes of "The Triple 8 Show, starring Craigie and Jamie-poo, with special guests Tony Cochrane, Tomas Mezera, and their Wastes of Space official team."

("Driving Standards Observer" - what a bloody JOKE!!)

Seriously, once the high end officials remove their Ford / Triple 8 sponsored blinkers, then the racing might become interesting again. But come on fellas - what's good for the goose is just as good for the bloody gander. Lowndes and his mates have been pushing and barging their way through for the last couple of seasons at least - and they truly are UNTOUCHABLE! Whereas they penalise the Holden teams every time they possibly can, with the most minor and pedantic of infringements. Don't give them a tap though, they go crying to their good friends in the race control.

Are there any V8 Supercar officials reading this post?? You're a biased pack of bastards - Triple 8 got you on the payroll?? Or maybe Craigie and Jamie-poo do the best BJs, is that it fellas?

All in all, if the Ford fans want to crow about this "victory", then let 'em. There's no pride in a win like that, it's too easy to win when you have all the officials in your pocket. They were doing it all last season as well, but Garth still took the trophy.

Exactly .......anybody notice how clowndes chopped off Murph up the mountain on first lap effectively ruining his race(or so it seemed at the time) nothing said? ...thank the v8 gods that the sprint gas blokes could fix it and he could make a race out of it.....how about the blocking of Richards ... late again effectively never giving Murph a chance to challenge Clowndes and to top it off after the race ,the boos by the crowd when they announced second place of murph and richards..what do they want? ....the crowd must be full on dikheads and really Murph (the real story of the race) kept up the attention of everyone in the last part of the race and stopped it being a Ford (yawn)procession. I think the aim of race officials/organisers is to please the ford ***heads first and the holden blokes will always just turn up.....

[1991_Vn2nV]

Lowndes came right across and smacked Murph off the track and didn't even cop a bloody penalty.

Tander's clutch goes and he gets a 10 second penalty?

Whats the deal?

[Reaper]

As sad as it is I have pretty much lost all interest in the V8's and that sadly also includes Bathurst, I just don't find it good to watch anymore and will settle for the minute on the news.

From what I heard from a couple of people so far the start was once again ford should be called 'the untouchables' they rarely cop anything and can do no wrong.

Yeah, same..... Any racing cars newwer than about 10yo have minimal interest for me .

Go the historics!

Reaper

[VT-565]

its becoming too americanised, but you want bigger engines and 400 metre tracks to keep you entertained? thats a very american way of thinking

Oh, is it really?
Wasn't so long ago, there was talk of a control vehicle body in V8 supercars, that's not looking like NASCAR at all, is it?....
At least australian drag racers can use a bit of ingenuity with their chosen car, engine combo, driveline....you can be individual while fitting in to a certain class...i understand it gets more restrictive doorslammer up, but that's to be expected. And so what if I want to run big cubes? I'll be first to admit it was built in the states, but we're a bit hard up for choice as far as aussie manufacturers go if you want to run 9-odd litre engine...

Run "V8 Supercars" how it should be, off the showroom floor with minimal mods. The people buying their HSV's and FPV's in the future will be all the more thankful for it.

[MasterOfReality]

As sad as it is I have pretty much lost all interest in the V8's and that sadly also includes Bathurst, I just don't find it good to watch anymore and will settle for the minute on the news.

From what I heard from a couple of people so far the start was once again ford should be called 'the untouchables' they rarely cop anything and can do no wrong.

Yep, last time I watched Bathurst for the whole distance was around 1998.

The cars are virtually identical underneath, so it renders the whole race pretty boring. Sure, drivers skills come into play more, but there is still a whole lot less passing and exciting moments than in Group A.

Besides, knowing that V8 Supercars was a result of a case of sour grapes takes a lot of the gloss off it for me.

[stocky]

Oh, is it really?
Wasn't so long ago, there was talk of a control vehicle body in V8 supercars, that's not looking like NASCAR at all, is it?....
At least australian drag racers can use a bit of ingenuity with their chosen car, engine combo, driveline....you can be individual while fitting in to a certain class...i understand it gets more restrictive doorslammer up, but that's to be expected. And so what if I want to run big cubes? I'll be first to admit it was built in the states, but we're a bit hard up for choice as far as aussie manufacturers go if you want to run 9-odd litre engine...

Run "V8 Supercars" how it should be, off the showroom floor with minimal mods. The people buying their HSV's and FPV's in the future will be all the more thankful for it.

drag racing and v8 supercars are two different types of racing. ford and holden supercars are pretty much the same underneath. im not following you.

[Tom_1569]

Also on the rant of V8Supercars.

In an interview Craig Lowndes said he is on his 12th Chassis for the season. Thats just stupid not all teams could afford to that. They should have a limit of how many they are allowed a season. Maybe if the ****wank stopped running into people so he can win he wouldnt need a new chassis every race.

[VT-565]

drag racing and v8 supercars are two different types of racing. ford and holden supercars are pretty much the same underneath. im not following you.

In my first post, I commented on how I believe V8 Supercars are following NASCAR in their ways of parity, with what is a control item etc....you had a shot at me because you believe drag racing in australia is following american trends just as much, then I explained how you can be an individual with your car in some classes of drag racing and that V8 supercars should be exactly that, with showroom models taking to the track, not a parity controlled go-kart with a ford or holden sticker on it to tell the difference. I was not comparing a drag car to a V8 supercar on ground level and I am intelligent enough to work out that they are two totally different categories of racing.
But I think your quote above pretty much sums up what I was trying to say.