Mark Webber Rated 6th

[88GreenVN]

In the Advertiser today there was a report that Mark Webber was rated as the 6th best driver for 2008 by a British Motor Mag.

Now I know there are plenty of you that do not thing he can drive - and thats OK - he gets the fat pay cheque.

But I think he is an outstanding roll model for young Aussie lads to look up to as Mark conducts himself in the public eye very well.

[greenfoam]

I think he can drive as well as an average F1 Driver (which is very good). But he seems to be missing the look after your car gene that some top drivers have, he also makes alot of errors (spins etc) so he's not holding back at all, what you see is all there is

[88GreenVN]

I think he can drive as well as an average F1 Driver (which is very good). But he seems to be missing the look after your car gene that some top drivers have, he also makes alot of errors (spins etc) so he's not holding back at all, what you see is all there is

I dont think any of the F1 group of drivers "hold back" Look at Nico Rosburg - no shining star.

As for spins too often - I dont think he spins too much - a few - but not as many as Massa.

And yes he has been known to kill a car or 2 - but I dont think it has anything to do with the driver - like a gearbox blows - how is pressing a button to harsh going to kill the box - these cars are ment to be the pinical of development and are prone to failure.

[greenfoam]

Well who knows how you can break a F1 car more often than another driver. I don't know but it certainly seems like that's the case . The world is more mysterous that just pushing buttons. Louis Hamilton is a driver who drives well under his limit during a race. There's alot of drivers racing F1 that often put in best lap of the race just once when they get angry at the official or the team or another driver just to prove a point. Those guys are all holding back because they aren't good enough or don't have the confidance to drive on the limit for thw whole race. Montoya used to be past his limit the whole race but it ended up costing him time

[88GreenVN]

The 2009 season will be a true test when Vettel lines up next to Webber. On 2008 form Vettel should beat Webber every race and not bust a car or spin out. We shall see.

Montoya is rising up the Nascar ranks - but still not a front runner yet.

[Pub247]

You gotta remember the big 2 teams have budget 10 times if not 100 times more than the smaller teams and that equates to better cars all over. I think mark webbers takes his car to limit maybe its why he spins a bit hes pushing hard to race well. Pushing the car makes it prone to failure especially when you dont have the funds to develop better parts.
Good on him for rating so highi hope it was rating chosen from among his fellow drivers

[hingo1983]

Vettel is an amazing driver. It will be interesting to see how Mark compares next year. The Toro Rosso was a much better car than the Red Bull at the end of 2008 so its a bit hard to estimate at the moment. Mark has always been quicker than his team mates in the past but I think Vettel is a step above any team mate he has had before.

[88GreenVN]

Vettel is an amazing driver. It will be interesting to see how Mark compares next year. The Toro Rosso was a much better car than the Red Bull at the end of 2008 so its a bit hard to estimate at the moment. Mark has always been quicker than his team mates in the past but I think Vettel is a step above any team mate he has had before.

Vettel should mix it up in 2009. The Toro Rosso came to life when they changed the gear box. It could happen that Vettel slips back in 2009 if the Red Bull fails to deliver. The fight between Webber abd Vettle is shaping (in my book) as the highlight in F1 for 2009 - after the top 4 cars play out for the title of course.

As you said Webber has beat all commers as team mates and was hardly ever beaten by them. Bring on qualifing in Melbourne........

[minux]

You gotta remember the big 2 teams have budget 10 times if not 100 times more than the smaller teams and that equates to better cars all over. I think mark webbers takes his car to limit maybe its why he spins a bit hes pushing hard to race well. Pushing the car makes it prone to failure especially when you dont have the funds to develop better parts.
Good on him for rating so highi hope it was rating chosen from among his fellow drivers

They still have the same rules to abide by though. They can still only test for a certain amount of time.

Alonso is by far the best driver in the field. To get that Renault to where he did in the second half of the season was amazing. Lewis Hamilton = most overrated spoilt brat award. Hopefully Alonso will be back at the top next year. If he is on his game and has the car to match, Hamilton won't even come close to beating him.

[88GreenVN]

I agree ^^^ Lewie had a charmed intro to F1 - most things fell into place nicely for him. But some bad luck may just be around the corner. The ONLY thing that made Lewie look any good was his team mate. He was very bad in the McLaren for most of the year.

Alonso is a good chance to win the F1 title again - and yes is under rated as a driver.

[daron]

he should learn to ride a bike b4 he jumps back into f1 car
i wish he would get up to first and win some races but it wont be from him
i think his days are over

[Pub247]

They still have the same rules to abide by though. They can still only test for a certain amount of time.

Alonso is by far the best driver in the field. To get that Renault to where he did in the second half of the season was amazing. Lewis Hamilton = most overrated spoilt brat award. Hopefully Alonso will be back at the top next year. If he is on his game and has the car to match, Hamilton won't even come close to beating him.

For some reason i dont like alonso personally maybe its just the way he comes across. But i cant deny he is probably the best driver out there. With a bad car he comes close with a good car he's unbeatable. He's a much tidier driver than lewis and treats his cars better

[nick3110]

he won't be driving a F1 for a while though ..

[88GreenVN]

he won't be driving a F1 for a while though ..

Webber will make a full recovery - just miss the test sesiond - no biggy.

[Cheap6]

Webber will make a full recovery - just miss the test sesiond - no biggy.

It's got to have an effect, although Schumacher managed to come back pretty well after he broke his leg. Depends on how long it takes to recover I guess. 6 weeks?

That the rules and cars have changed significantly for 2009 with KERS and less downforce will make it more difficult as there must be an aclimatisation period. That Webber isn't 22 will make that a bit more diffcult too.

Although Hamilton has come into a top team and had a lot of support rather than having to do it tough down the bottom end of the field like most others, he's still only in his second year of F1. While he's made a few mistakes, I think that is only to be expected. He's also had to make those mistakes under the full pressure of the British press. He so nearly took the championship last year with Alonso as his team mate and that with all the political rubbish that went on at the same time. He's good, no doubt.

I don't think that he could build a team around him in the same way as Schumacher, or even Alonso, was able to but at McLaren he doesn't have to.

[88GreenVN]

It's got to have an effect, although Schumacher managed to come back pretty well after he broke his leg. Depends on how long it takes to recover I guess. 6 weeks?

That the rules and cars have changed significantly for 2009 with KERS and less downforce will make it more difficult as there must be an aclimatisation period. That Webber isn't 22 will make that a bit more diffcult too.

Older than 22 yep but also at peak fitness so he should make a good recovery.

As for KERS I think this will even up the field a little by mid year with some odd resaults and big time failures. As for less downforce - slows all the cars down and puts more pressure on the mechanical setup of the cars.

I think the aero bits stuck all over the cars were terrible to look at - so cleaner looking cars will improve the sport in my eyes.

Too bad we have to wait until March 09 for it to all begin

[nick3110]

what i don't understand is.. how can you hit a cyclist? its not like they come round a corner at a blinding pace.. the guy who was driving the 4wd should lose his license or shot, one or the other..

[daron]

mark hit the car not the car hit mark
guy should loose his car for not killing him

[88GreenVN]

Advertiser roport today has Mark Webber placed 4th for BRW highest money earners for 2008 with 8.2 Million. Not bad for a few races.

[greenfoam]

what i don't understand is.. how can you hit a cyclist? its not like they come round a corner at a blinding pace.. the guy who was driving the 4wd should lose his license or shot, one or the other..

Koalas don't usually move much/at all either and there's still thousands of them splattered all over the roads

[immortality]

As for KERS I think this will even up the field a little by mid year with some odd resaults and big time failures. As for less downforce - slows all the cars down and puts more pressure on the mechanical setup of the cars.

I think the aero bits stuck all over the cars were terrible to look at - so cleaner looking cars will improve the sport in my eyes.

i agree, the kers stuff will work beter initially for the bigger teams that have more $$$ to throw at stuff like that.

i like the new earo rules. less turbulance around the cars means drafting will be possible so more overtaking. more mechanical grip with the new full slicks etc

what i don't understand is.. how can you hit a cyclist? its not like they come round a corner at a blinding pace.. the guy who was driving the 4wd should lose his license or shot, one or the other..

simple really, some drivers seem to be blind to cyclists. i too have been hit by a car when i was riding because the driver didn't see me and didn't give way at intersection. i was very lucky to walk away from the accident. however, i have a permanent back injury that wasn't apparent at the time (off the accident) i was furtunate not to go under the car and be in a wheel chair. i've been pulled over by the cops (when on my bike) for speeding. in excess of 60km/h in a 50km zone. got off with a warning

[88GreenVN]

Mark Webber scores a second place last night. Again showing he is the the main driver for Red Bull with a mistake free drive. If only Buttons car has expired and not barru's

Funny how the only 2 teams using KERS are no where at the moment and the 2008 wonder boy is - well hopeless this year.

[Pub247]

yep great race last night vettel stuffed upbut i think even if he didnt 2nd was the best he could hope brawn have the car that is almost unbeatable.
Webber drove extremely well pushed hard in 2nd stint and with better driving than vettel leapfroged him in that stint.
Good to see mark beating his teammate 2 races in a row.
Poor hamilton they are already saying theyre looking towards next year I have no sympathy for him it just goes to show that with a good car you can be the best with a bad car it makes you look like the worst

[88GreenVN]

Also good to see they did not stuff up Marks pit stops for a change and he had good in and out laps. Now all he needs is for Vettle to take out Button with a few laps to go and Mark sneaks through for a win.

[greenfoam]

No one's going to beat Button at Silverstone