anybody notice somthing fishy with whincups pace?

[PSYKO PHOENIX]

first let me say im not trying to star an argument or a scrap with this, im just wondering if anybody shares my opinion

here it goes

me and my girl were watching the clipsal 500 this weekend and we both noticed that whincup and lownds had some extream pace in there brand spanking new fg's

this struck us as weird because the FG's are Brand new, never been raced before etc, they obviously had a good set up but what about teething problems? the only one was the power steering going on lownds and tanders cars, we were thinking (and tell me if im wrong) that somthing is up seeing as the only team who did the testing of the breand new e85 was team vodafone, stick with me here, what if team vodafone devaloped an edge during the testing of e85 that they could use above all other teams, to my knowlage (again correct me if im wrong) no holden team did any of the testing of the e85 (all pre season obviously - the shake down was there first crack at it for all teams but vodafone) the closest drivers to whincup and/or lownds were davidson and tander and even then the fg's were realy fast and pulling away. now they could have had the perfect set up and all that jazz but we found it weird that a team with no ford backing, 2 brand new FG Falcon's, brand new gas (which they were the sole testers of), ecu's and other gear were able to be so fast on the first race of the season! i was expecting more teething problems etc, especialy concidering the cars were built to project blueprint and now have control breaks and disks and the same suspention points as holden etc etc

also as i side note the number 18 jim beam FG had its chasey and all the bits aside form the engine built buy vodafone 888 racing, the engine was built by djr, they got close at one stage but just didnt have the pace or the reliability of team vodafone


it could be my mind running away on me but thats what me and my girl noticed, any thoughts?

[88GreenVN]

Lownds could not pass Tander at the end of race 2.

I just think wink-cup is on a purple patch right now and is probably the best driver in the comp.

[PSYKO PHOENIX]

lownds does have a couple of extra kilos in eyebrow wieght to lug around - i bet thats his excuse hahaha

[88GreenVN]

LOL yep spot on.

Team 888 are a well oiled team now and are smarting over being dropped by Ford.

I thing the PIG on the front of the Ford summed it up perfictly.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

And a few years ago the Commodores had all the pace and the Ford fans were complaining. Suck it up, it's a competition and if your side loses deal with it.

[minux]

And a few years ago the Commodores had all the pace and the Ford fans were complaining. Suck it up, it's a competition and if your side loses deal with it.

Well, if it were not for blueprint where would ford be now? I highly doubt they would be any closer than they were 5 years ago. Holden fans have a reason to whinge, the cars cant even be close to what thesy should be to keep them on par with ford...what rules have been changed to penalise ford so holdens can win?

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Didn't Ford have to redesign their aerodynamics with the AU to keep them back at the same level as Holdens? Can't confirm that though, just something I remember reading a few years ago.

[88GreenVN]

Mostly to do with the front ends - the Ford would not turn in as well as the Holdens.

So basicly the Ford was suffering with major understeer. So they made it the same setup for both makes.

[davway]

Didn't Ford have to redesign their aerodynamics with the AU to keep them back at the same level as Holdens? Can't confirm that though, just something I remember reading a few years ago.

and they had to do the same with the FG as well.

[VN_Luke]

I didn't watch the race, or know what's going on.... but in brief - there's heaps of power to be made by changing tune to suit E85 fuel... especially if they've tested and seen how far they can push the tune on the new fuel......the down side is that you do use about 30% more of it. (which would mean more pitstops or larger tanks with more weight etc).... although i'd assume the extra power can counter for the larger tank maybe?

how were they for re-fuelling? are they allowed to change tank sizes? what fuel was everyone else running? (or e85 but had no opportunity to test with it?)

[PSYKO PHOENIX]

The announcers were saying that under project blueprint it’s very hard to engineer any real advantage into the cars, so how was whincup and lownds so fast? they cant have a perfect set up, especially because its a new car so what have they done what gave them that advantage to put such a massive margin on ANYBODY else not just the Holden’s?

that’s why I think something weird is going on, if all the FG's had massive pace it would make sense but only the Vodafone cars had the massive pace, and remember all pre season testing of the new e85 fuel was done by team Vodafone, they should have at least let a Holden team test it 2.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Why would e85 only be available to Team Vodafone? I'm sure if the other teams made e85 a priority they would have done their own R & D regarding it. Also it comes down to money. The more money you throw at a car the more options are available to you.

[PSYKO PHOENIX]

its avalible to all teams but there was some pre season testing to see if it was viable and worthwile making the switch, to test it it was only team vodafone, they didnt pay for the right to do it either, as fas as ive herd/read, i get and understand what your saying but dont forget the bigest supporter of e85 has been toll hrt

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Then why aren't they running it? If the fuel is the only factor then after this weekend all the top teams will be running it by the next race....

[88GreenVN]

Then why aren't they running it? If the fuel is the only factor then after this weekend all the top teams will be running it by the next race....

I thought the 85 fuel was to be used by all teams - maybe I missed something as I did not watch more that about 20 mins of the whole show - kids forgot to press record

[v8_stato]

holden had there ****ing 8 or so bathurst wins in a row and dominated well now its fords turn so suck it up and stop ya sooking.

[VT-565]

holden had there ****ing 8 or so bathurst wins in a row and dominated well now its fords turn so suck it up and stop ya sooking.

This is why I watch drag racing instead.

The only good thing about supercarts is the amount of money it injects into whatever economy it is surrounded by.

[markovr]

holden had there ****ing 8 or so bathurst wins in a row and dominated well now its fords turn so suck it up and stop ya sooking.

You mean the ford ********s werent whinging when holden were killing them ...why should we cop it sweet...if you are getting screwed ...react ...its just the complete ford dominance last year and seemingly same again this year mostly brought on by biased project blueoval print that are hard to take

[v8_stato]

the last few years fords have dominated and its about time i say.thats my opinion tho.

[v8_stato]

plus ford have alot more better younger drivers.

[Grennan]

the last few years fords have dominated and its about time i say.thats my opinion tho.

The last few years? You mean last year.

I did also notice that this new FG Falcon has a lot of go to it. First race of the season lets not get our knickers in a knot, hopefully Clipsal was just a teething race, well see this weekend at Albert Park, see what testing the Holdens can do.

[Morton]

Lol @ holden versus ford. Anybody who takes that rivalry seriously these days is kidding themselves.

Bring back the days of Dick Johnson in his true blue XD and Brock in the VC. THAT was Holden versus Ford.

[greenfoam]

I thought I might make the effort to watch a race for the first time in years and years but I ended up going outside after a few laps. Although I believe Group C was epic and Group A wasn't too bad at all even the Supercar Formula was fine from the early to mid 90s but it's well and truely stuffed now. I don't think it can last much longer without a massive change. I don't know anyone that's interested in it or watches it anymore. It would be nice to see cars that at least ran a factory body or hey even a something more than a door handle.

As for Ford vs Holden and real cars, you only need to look at the qualifying for the production car race at Bathurst to see that the VE's (and even the VY) (and even the sport wagon) is massivly faster than anything Ford have right now around a proper circuit

[PSYKO PHOENIX]

all cars are using e85, its the only gas there allowed to use this year, my point is that seeing as team vodafone did the official testing of the gas they could have an advantage of knowing more about what it can do and be faster, im not saying anything about what is better ford or holden im simply saying that the team vodafone cars had blistering pace, so much more than any holden OR FORD team, they were very very quick.

i didnt start this thread to get into the whole ford and holden argument because the v8 supercars are pretymuch exactly the same, theres not much differance between ford and holden - even more so now with project blueprint

so how was it that with in 1-2 laps after a safty car whincup (and in the first race lownds) were managing to pull away a 2-3 second lead? surly that strikes you as a bit odd concidering what i just said, the cars are very very similer, only the setups change and theres no was team vodafone could have a perfect setup for there first race in that car

[PSYKO PHOENIX]

I thought I might make the effort to watch a race for the first time in years and years but I ended up going outside after a few laps. Although I believe Group C was epic and Group A wasn't too bad at all even the Supercar Formula was fine from the early to mid 90s but it's well and truely stuffed now. I don't think it can last much longer without a massive change. I don't know anyone that's interested in it or watches it anymore. It would be nice to see cars that at least ran a factory body or hey even a something more than a door handle.

As for Ford vs Holden and real cars, you only need to look at the qualifying for the production car race at Bathurst to see that the VE's (and even the VY) (and even the sport wagon) is massivly faster than anything Ford have right now around a proper circuit

i agree!! if you want to get into the holden vs ford argument you have to watch PRODUCTION CARS NOT V8 SUPERCARS

and in that case holden wins hands down