Holden copping a pasting in the V8s

[ari666]

meh, someone posted the entire 1991 bathurst on youtube so i say, every year when bathurst is on, instead of watching it, replay 1991 race.

it will never get as good as that again burthurst turned crap in 93'

anyway, i am glad they canned group b, c etc cos' otherwise i wouldnt be able to import the 32 gtr and wouldnt have a job...

[Premier 350]

It doesn't help that the stewards turn a blind eye to team teflon (888)
judas and whincup are allowed to get away with conduct that would earn any other team -Holden or frod- a penality.

Look at the " lets just queue the cars in pit lane" attitude they displayed
at Winton. Or last season- judas is allowed to bash Tander (Sandown) with
half the grill flopping in the breeze. But as soon as Tander leant on whincup
( Hidden Valley) the stewards sit up and take notice.

Their bias is almost as bad as in 2003 when dirty marcos was allowed to push and punt his way to a 'Championship'

It's not that 888 aren't good, they are very,very good. But the rules should apply them as well.

On the bright side, I p****ed myself laughing when frosty managed to parley YET ANOTHER pole into nothing,nilch,zero,zip, SFA, nada

[ucwepn]

Omega and i were at sandown 500 2003? and saw the last true holden romp it in and beat ambrose, was Mark skaife and Todd kelly man it p1ssed down that day LOL, the next season all holden teams switched to the holden motorsport engine (allot of teams were already using a chev block if not all at this stage but the HM engine was a different casting almost identicle in bore and stoke and the degree of the V to the ford 5 litre).

(by true holden i mean holden/chev 5 litre not the older design chev 304 which is the HM one, and mcpherson strut front end) Holden was too quick in this form and after this avesco changed to the rules for project blueprint which makes the holdens run double wishbone front suspension like the fords which was not even manufactured by holden in a road car until VE (project help ford win because they are slower)--thats my understanding anyways plz correct me if im wrong

I love F1 thats the real sh1t but even thats gettin messed up by the powers that be

[vztrt]

blame operation BLUEprint........ the Blue Oval, you do the math.

i remember a few years back when HRT, Kmart and the HSV teams werebanned from testing because they worked together. this year Jim beam racing, team 888 vodafone and another team all built there cars together and yet that is fine. more double standards. i turned the race on but didn't really watch it.

the only satisfying thing in the whole race was seeing lowndes suffer

T8 is building the chassis for other teams, like what HRT does. Nothing different.
W.Davidson will be the next champion in the Holden camp as he is a great driver. Mind you Whincup will have to go off to NASCAR for this to happen.

[Reaper]

Omega and i were at sandown 500 2003? and saw the last true holden romp it in and beat ambrose, was Mark skaife and Todd kelly man it p1ssed down that day LOL, the next season all holden teams switched to the holden motorsport engine (allot of teams were already using a chev block if not all at this stage but the HM engine was a different casting almost identicle in bore and stoke and the degree of the V to the ford 5 litre).

(by true holden i mean holden/chev 5 litre not the older design chev 304 which is the HM one, and mcpherson strut front end) Holden was too quick in this form and after this avesco changed to the rules for project blueprint which makes the holdens run double wishbone front suspension like the fords which was not even manufactured by holden in a road car until VE (project help ford win because they are slower)--thats my understanding anyways plz correct me if im wrong

I love F1 thats the real sh1t but even thats gettin messed up by the powers that be

When did the last "true Holden" race??? How can you claim that the chev was a true Holden? IIRC the last Holden 5 litre raced was by Larry Perkins in the mid
90's - VP or VR. I Ambrose was a child back then!

Of course you could argue that the last car with more than a passing resemblance to it's road going counterpart was the VN Group A which died a natural in the very early 90's after being the GTR's whipping boy for a couple of seasons.

Reaper

[greenfoam]

Omega and i were at sandown 500 2003? and saw the last true holden romp it in and beat ambrose, was Mark skaife and Todd kelly man it p1ssed down that day LOL, the next season all holden teams switched to the holden motorsport engine (allot of teams were already using a chev block if not all at this stage but the HM engine was a different casting almost identicle in bore and stoke and the degree of the V to the ford 5 litre).

(by true holden i mean holden/chev 5 litre not the older design chev 304 which is the HM one, and mcpherson strut front end) Holden was too quick in this form and after this avesco changed to the rules for project blueprint

Yeah you are being illogical :P they switched from the 304 Holden to the 302 Chev in 1993? 10 years before you saw this race, the 302 chev and 302 Ford have allways shared the same bore and stroke 4 inch x 3 inch since oooooo the 1960s

[STEALTHY™]

When did the last "true Holden" race??? How can you claim that the chev was a true Holden? IIRC the last Holden 5 litre raced was by Larry Perkins in the mid
90's - VP or VR. I Ambrose was a child back then!

Of course you could argue that the last car with more than a passing resemblance to it's road going counterpart was the VN Group A which died a natural in the very early 90's after being the GTR's whipping boy for a couple of seasons.

Reaper

The ute are pretty close to true holdens and fords. Just a ute with a cage. Most even still have the radio (lol @ the driver who had his cranked during the race)

[Reaper]

The ute are pretty close to true holdens and fords. Just a ute with a cage. Most even still have the radio (lol @ the driver who had his cranked during the race)

Haha - fair point. I hadn't considered them however I was more referring to the cars in the ATCC.

Reaper

[greggy85]

You want decent V8 racing.. BrUtes.. The V8 Ute's are still proper cars, with proper engines, and they have much better, more raw racing.
Thats my 2 cents.

[PSYKO PHOENIX]

Not sure what happened to him. Things have been on a steady decline since the end of the K-Mart days.

Anybody notice that the fastest lap of Bathurst was murph in the Kmart commodore in 2003 (and he reckons he could have gone faster) 6 years later the cars are now more of a "race car" (if you can call them that) than ever, in my mind as tech advances etc shouldn’t they be blasting the lap record? or at least getting close??

the whole thing is one big pain in the ass, im sure that 888 have inside info on e85 given that they were the only team allowed to test it and in turn map the fuel etc, I cant believe that they shortened the commodores rear doors to meat the blue print requirements, on and for gods sake will they toughen up the bloody control arms! Im sick of watching 2 cars bump and end up with a broken or bent steering arm! cuz that’s what every one wants

Hopefully thell pull there heads in and sort it all out, before it all goes stale

Immortality I definatly agree about there not being enough motorsport on TV in nz, far to much golf hahaha

[VYFORI]

V8 brute utes much more interesting to watch than the
V8s a raw and better form of racing.
Check out my NASCAR and WSBK threads...
Now that's racing my 2c

Rik

[vps_are_the_best]

It isnt about Holden Vs. Ford anymore. It's about the drivers, engineers, and pit crew. The cars are the same just to make it all constant. Its crap, i know, i agree with many out here; that they should return it back to production car, or to start a new series or production car racing. The humle V8 supercar, is outdated, with many street cars having better performance.

[STEALTHY™]

Supercars as we know it may be over soon anyway. Holden have said if VESA introduce a nascar style COT then they wont be involved.

[Premier 350]

Piss poor officaldom strikes again. whincup turns Perkins around at T-ville.
Guess what? no penalty. Again. Looks like 888 have gotten hold of the pics of
the stewards ****ing the goat.

The same pics that Sprung Breaking Rules used when Dirty ambrose "won" the
championship in2003.

Your name is jamie whincup = rules don't apply. For I am a CHAMPION.
Anyone else see shades of marcos (camry driver) ambrose?

gtho. overrated then, overpriced now. AND bested by a 3.3 L at Bathurst