3.0 litre V6 for the Commodore

[f1tzy]

But Holden is australian and it would be the same technology we are currently seeing? That and it's a petrol engine not a diesel so it's not exactly in the same league.

Turbo diesel with crdi afaik. Nothing incredible about that, just good engineering

[revv_head]

Well this engine won't be turbo either.

[1991_Vn2nV]

no not at all, look at all those german diesel's etc, yes i know different power characteristics but, 1.9-2.0L motors are putting out 320+nm of torque, more than the current commodores

The 3.0L V6 only puts out 290NM of torque. They havent made a commodore with less torque than that since the VL Commodore over 20 years ago.

Less torque than a 22 year old car (VN) and an extra 400kg to pull with it

Looking forward to the new state of the art Starfire Four in the 2032 model Commodore with a whopping 288NM of torque in a 2000kg+ car.

[1991_Vn2nV]

The DI 3.6L will make its way into the higher class V6's, like the SV6 and Calais(-V), but I don't think we'll see the DI 3.6L in the base Omega and Berlina models because there is only a 3% saving in fuel efficiency when compared to the high output alloytec...

So the DI version would only match the current fuel economy of the base Omega and Berlina (about 10.6L per 100km, maybe 10.5). They'll want to get the VE under 10L per 100km which is where its competitors are (Falcon and Aurion) as that 9.9L figure can be a big sell point. So to me, it makes sense Holden would go that route. It just doesn't make sense from the torque/drivability point of view.

[greenfoam]

The 3.0L V6 only puts out 290NM of torque. They havent made a commodore with less torque than that since the VL Commodore over 20 years ago.

Less torque than a 22 year old car (VN) and an extra 400kg to pull with it

Looking forward to the new state of the art Starfire Four in the 2032 model Commodore with a whopping 288NM of torque in a 2000kg+ car.

That's going to be the big issue here. You make a large heavy car and then you try and save fuel by sticking a small engine in it. History has shown over and over again, unless you are driving on super smooth and flat roads a small engine with less torque in a big car with use just as much fuel as the same type of engine in a bigger capacity. 290 newtons in a VE WILL not only be slower than the majorty of small cars it will still use somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 more fuel than those cars. Kinda makes you wonder just what market there is for such a car. It also will be bordering on an unsafe amount of torque to weight for a highway car. How often do you see a VE driving around with one person in it? 80% of them? at least.. Does it really need to be as large as a M1 tank? of course not. What Holden need is.

1 very small electric/hybrid car for urban duties
1 small turbo diesel sporty hatchback
1 1400 kg mid sized "Holden" I think the Commodore name has been around too long, with V8 and turbo diesel option (can the V6) (I see no need for a wagon and a sedan, just make a hatchback and be done with it)
1 ute
1 long wheel base sedan in both budget/omega and statesman spec trim, maybe a few long wheelbase wagons in black or white paint.

and
1 4x4 van/truck soccer mum machine with 7 or 8 seats

That's the lineup my imaginary car company has :P

[Morton]

Yeah, Commodores REALLY need to get smaller. My Statesman used to be big, but a new Omega drawfs it

[VrWagz1]

Yeah, Commodores REALLY need to get smaller. My Statesman used to be big, but a new Omega drawfs it

Dont need to get smaller, just replace more of the steel with plastic...Ford proved this could work with the "Ka", what a nice car that was

[revv_head]

It needs to go back to about the size of the VL.

[Super Coach]

Greenfoam i declare you bankrupt in 5mins with the sort of model line up and choice!

[stocky]

Greenfoam i declare you bankrupt in 5mins with the sort of model line up and choice!

why? whats wrong with his suggestion?

[revv_head]

hatchbacks are gay. bottom line.

[Morton]

It's true, Subaru proved this with the new Impreza. Then quickly filled the lineup with one of the least inspiring sedans on the road today

[f1tzy]

hatchbacks are gay. bottom line.

Ill take a vw golf vr6 over your vy s anyday. faster sound better and handle 1 million times better and in my opinion looks a shit load better too

[Morton]

But for some of us they just aren't big enough

I can't tow a tonne with a Golf, for example.

[BullittSV6]

hatchbacks are gay. bottom line.

1977 Holden LX Torana SS hatchback... NOT GAY

Volkswagen Golf GTI... arguably one of the best performance buys in the market.

Anyway, 3.0L in Omega and Berlina, as long as they can overtake well on the highway and tow a trailer, I can't see why they won't work. People don't buy an Omega or Berlina for outright power. Any gains in fuel economy will boost sales.

As long as SV6 and Calais get the 3.6L DI V6 and have some good poke, then its fine. I did read http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...loytec-v6.html and somewhere it mentions the Alloytec can be configured to be a 3.8L or even a 4.0L. 4.0 DI Turbo V6...shove that up your Blue Oval...

[revv_head]

1977 Holden LX Torana SS hatchback... NOT GAY

Volkswagen Golf GTI... arguably one of the best performance buys in the market.

Anyway, 3.0L in Omega and Berlina, as long as they can overtake well on the highway and tow a trailer, I can't see why they won't work. People don't buy an Omega or Berlina for outright power. Any gains in fuel economy will boost sales.

As long as SV6 and Calais get the 3.6L DI V6 and have some good poke, then its fine. I did read http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...loytec-v6.html and somewhere it mentions the Alloytec can be configured to be a 3.8L or even a 4.0L. 4.0 DI Turbo V6...shove that up your Blue Oval...

torana is a fastback which is one of the coolest body shapes ever.

[revv_head]

Ill take a vw golf vr6 over your vy s anyday. faster sound better and handle 1 million times better and in my opinion looks a shit load better too

Then why do u drive an S pack ute lol. Anyway i just like a big tough mean looking car with rear wheel drive.

[f1tzy]

The s pack is my old car i just havent sold it yet lol i now drive an xr8 trayback

[f1tzy]

But for some of us they just aren't big enough

I can't tow a tonne with a Golf, for example.

lol can only tow 1200 with my vz ute

[revv_head]

aparently i can tow 1600kg with my towbar!

[Morton]

I think mine's around 1590, but I don't know if IRS limits that or not

[stocky]

I think mine's around 1590, but I don't know if IRS limits that or not

you could probably tow a golf with yours

[f1tzy]

Sorry i lie the vy manual ute can only tow 1200 the vz manual can tow 1600

[f1tzy]

aparently i can tow 1600kg with my towbar!

yea depends on auto or manual tranny

[Morton]

It's true. I destroyed my automatic towing 2000kg back from Brisbane to Melbourne. But then, nothing of value was lost