Morton's 1972 HQ Kingswood

[VN_Luke]

Take a trailer? You've got to be smoking something special That's like, an extra 200kg!! Plus road drag and air drag Get off the drugs ^_^ lol

an extra 200kg, but on another axle! I know i'd rather be pulling a billy cart or a wheelbarrow full of beer & concrete, than carrying it on my head! - unless i'm going off road, anyway

Plus it means you don't have the suspension loaded up funny, the car sits at a much nicer angle of attack for the air (if we're being petty ), most likely turns & drives nicer because it's not crazy loaded up on soft-tastic springs

maybe i've forgotten what a 202 is like, but if you're not planning on stop start driving, or going up any crazy mountains - i would have thought it would drive along at speed comfortably? - How is the auto for converter/heat/gearing? does the car have a trans cooler?

and i'll stop the drugs when I'm good and ready!

[Morton]

Hahaha you're right, coasting along at a constant speed probably won't be too much of a worry. However, I do plan on leaving the beaten track - and the Australian outback isn't as flat as we'd all like to think.

Yes, I do plan on going off road, so a trailer is basically out of the question. A big trans cooler is on order, and the trimatic is fairly healthy.

I can probably cut back on some things, but there will be times when I'm leaving a town with 60l fuel + 80l fuel + 30l water on top of everything I usually carry. That certainly won't help with what will already be a struggle.

I'm replacing the banjo with a salisbury, and then spooling it. Investing in a set of 6 excellent all-terrain tyres, too.

If anyone else has an opinion on the ability of a 202 to handle that sort of pressure, let me know All I'm thinking right now, is that sustained inclines could make it cry.

[VN_Luke]

and then spooling it.

What's popular opinion on salisbury axle strength when you're parking a 2 tonne car? my small salisbury axles lasted all of 2 days in a light torana

[Morton]

oh my... I was under the impression sallies were stronger than banjos... >_>

I may have to fork out the extra dollars and do a borg-warner conversion. What other options do I have for a strong, spooled rear end?

[VN_Luke]

oh my... I was under the impression sallies were stronger than banjos... >_>

I may have to fork out the extra dollars and do a borg-warner conversion. What other options do I have for a strong, spooled rear end?

keyword there is it was a *small* salisbury - i think the larger ones in kingswoods etc are much better.


anyway - perhaps you should take a few pages from this mobs book

YouTube - Bush Mechanics 1962 EJ Holden Part 1/2

[Morton]

Ahhh I missed that bit. I glanced over it and assumed you meant the diff was in a small car haha, which it was.

I'll need to make a more thorough assessment of my final gross weight, and then proceed from that basis. The 253 made a good 70nm more torque than the 202 from factory, and the 308 had another 100nm again on top of the 253. It's certainly got me thinking...

I think if anything, for the sake of fuel consumption, I'm probably better off installing a 253 or 308. If I can find one with a four-speed, that would only be an advantage.

Tim - keep me updated on the V8 front!

[LordMayhem]

here ya go morton some more insperation for you......
my old mans sandman hz we used to have (the 308 that ate 350's)



and the hz sedan i just got given off the wifes grandfather......

[greenfoam]

Just get that 600 newton Chev 383 in there and be done with it, Powerskid across the nullabor

[ari666]

Just get that 600 newton Chev 383 in there and be done with it, Powerskid across the nullabor

yeaaaah!!! now your talkin' whats all this jibber jabba about 253s????? pish posh i say.you know you will just end up changing the engine twice if you do that.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

In regards to the Salisbury, as Luke said there is a "small" and a "big" salisbury. This one you will be getting is the "Big" Salisbury. They have 28 spline axles (same as a Borgy) so you won't have any axle trouble. I'm still yet to check the ratio as we have been flat out at work, but i'll endeavour to check it out on Monday. I'm sure we could scrounge up a couple of spare axles for you without much drama.

I'm sure we'd be able to help you out with a 253 and a V8 Trimatic, so if you end up getting this diff off us, we'll see what we can sort out. As much as i don't like 253's, it will be a darn sight better than a 202 and atleast it will make all the right noises...

Or, you could always throw an injected 304 in there and have the best of all worlds.....

[Morton]

I've been considering the injected 304 to be honest I have a moral dilemma about putting an efi motor into a HQ, but in terms of fuel economy, it would be by FAR the best option.

Does anybody know what sorts of fuel figures a good 253 would get on the highway in a HQ Kinger? I'm guessing somewhere around 15 litres/100km in an unladen car with a four speed?

I think a 253 or 308 is the way I want to go - and a 253 would be cheaper to purchase, and -slightly- better on fuel.

Remind me Tim, what box did that 253 have behind it? The one in your yard? If it's a four speed, I'm quite keen to look into a selector linkage modification, in exchange for the 4th gear and associated fuel savings on the highway

Having said that, if you find a 308 + transmission that you can let go of for the right price, I'd be interested too. Even if it needs a bit of a scrub up



Thanks for the re-assurance about the Salisbury. I know so little about these particular diffs. Good to know it's a 28 spline - that's certainly the way I want to go if that's the case. Should stand up to the tortures of corrugated roads and a spool with a weak carb'd V8 behind it ^_^

[Dirbatua]

253s are alright, would get the 308 since it would probally be cheaper.

Not worth ****ing around with the EFI engine for the moment and that would cost more then the 308/253 and box.

My dad used to have a 11 second 253 monaro so they ain't that bad.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

It's a 308 Dan, not a 253....Anyway, it's backed by a Turbo 400. Which i might add, would be ideal for when you put a Chev in there.

Well, if you planning to put a Carby Chev in down the track, why not put an injected 304 in there for a while atleast to do this big trip....When your ready to put the Chev in, pull the 304 out, get your money back and throw a Chev in. Win, win situation really.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

Not worth ****ing around with the EFI engine for the moment and that would cost more then the 308/253 and box.

Horse shit, my EFI conversion owes me about $500.

[Morton]

Just get that 600 newton Chev 383 in there and be done with it, Powerskid across the nullabor

Hahaha I love your style greenfoam You're nothing but trouble, and I respect you for that. ^_^

The big Chev will come one day, don't you worry your little head off about that

yeaaaah!!! now your talkin' whats all this jibber jabba about 253s????? pish posh i say.you know you will just end up changing the engine twice if you do that.

Haha this is true, but then I'll end up throwing away whatever goes in there eventually. Refer to greenfoam's above comments

[Dirbatua]

Horse shit, my EFI conversion owes me about $500.

lol sorry, i got 304 and T5 prices in my head not just 304

[Morton]

It's a 308 Dan, not a 253....Anyway, it's backed by a Turbo 400. Which i might add, would be ideal for when you put a Chev in there.

Well, if you planning to put a Carby Chev in down the track, why not put an injected 304 in there for a while atleast to do this big trip....When your ready to put the Chev in, pull the 304 out, get your money back and throw a Chev in. Win, win situation really.

A 308 you say With a T400? That's very tempting Good running order? We may well have a winner here.


You make a good many points about the 304... the same points Hozy was making to me all last night But I still have a moral opposition to driving a HQ with an injected 304. If I wanted to do that, I'd be out there doing it right now in my VQ

[Morton]

lol sorry, i got 304 and T5 prices in my head not just 304

What's this T5 you talk about. Floor shift? In a HQ? You've got to be joking, right?

[Blown V6 Hatch]

lol sorry, i got 304 and T5 prices in my head not just 304

Thats complete conversion, start to finish, not just the engine.

A 308 you say With a T400? That's very tempting Good running order? We may well have a winner here.


You make a good many points about the 304... the same points Hozy was making to me all last night But I still have a moral opposition to driving a HQ with an injected 304. If I wanted to do that, I'd be out there doing it right now in my VQ

Yes, 308 and Turbo 400, both good runners. It would be ideal mate, unbolt it out of the car it's in and bolt it straight into your HQ. All you will need to do is find column shift linkages to suit the T400. Oh, and paint it red, cause it's blue.

[Morton]

Haha can't have a blue engine in a HQ now can we I think we can most certainly arrange something between us. I'll have to reflect on this overnight, but at this point I'm 95% in favour of taking that very motor/box.

PM me the best price you think you can do for that combination, and I'll have a think about it over the next day or two. You could very well hold the key to getting this project back on track

[Dirbatua]

What's this T5 you talk about. Floor shift? In a HQ? You've got to be joking, right?

lol no, just got prices from reference for when i get a VK

[Blown V6 Hatch]

I'll have to have a little yarn to my boss on Monday and i'll let you know. Shall i ask him for his best price on the whole lot? Motor, box, diff and everything to fit it?

[Reaper]

I've been considering the injected 304 to be honest I have a moral dilemma about putting an efi motor into a HQ, but in terms of fuel economy, it would be by FAR the best option.

Does anybody know what sorts of fuel figures a good 253 would get on the highway in a HQ Kinger? I'm guessing somewhere around 15 litres/100km in an unladen car with a four speed?

I think a 253 or 308 is the way I want to go - and a 253 would be cheaper to purchase, and -slightly- better on fuel.

Remind me Tim, what box did that 253 have behind it? The one in your yard? If it's a four speed, I'm quite keen to look into a selector linkage modification, in exchange for the 4th gear and associated fuel savings on the highway

Having said that, if you find a 308 + transmission that you can let go of for the right price, I'd be interested too. Even if it needs a bit of a scrub up

Thanks for the re-assurance about the Salisbury. I know so little about these particular diffs. Good to know it's a 28 spline - that's certainly the way I want to go if that's the case. Should stand up to the tortures of corrugated roads and a spool with a weak carb'd V8 behind it ^_^

5 Litre either efi or carb and a tall diff. VK's had 2.6 gears which are great for the highway and then once you have done your trip whack some 3.36's or similar in there. I doubt there will be much if any fuel savings with a 253.

Reaper

[Morton]

I'll have to have a little yarn to my boss on Monday and i'll let you know. Shall i ask him for his best price on the whole lot? Motor, box, diff and everything to fit it?

Certainly I mean, the more stuff I can get from one place the better Then at least I know it all works - especially coming from you.

If you have a tailshaft that will go from a T400 to a Sally, even better. If there's anything else you happen upon that would be useful, go nuts - I'll take as much as I can get. Radiator, trans cooler lines, trans crossmember, etc.

5 Litre either efi or carb and a tall diff. VK's had 2.6 gears which are great for the highway and then once you have done your trip whack some 3.36's or similar in there. I doubt there will be much if any fuel savings with a 253.

Reaper

Ahhh a tall diff out of a later model isn't a bad idea If I can get my greasy little hands on 2.6es I certainly will. Any small rise in final drive helps a lot Thanks for the heads up!!

[Reaper]

Ahhh a tall diff out of a later model isn't a bad idea If I can get my greasy little hands on 2.6es I certainly will. Any small rise in final drive helps a lot Thanks for the heads up!!

Might be other models too but most V8 VK Calais had them. Should be easy to find. Nobody wants them coz they are really too tall for most street cars but awesome for hwy cruising. I have a set of 3.08 gears in a lsd sailsbury diff with busted spider gears in Dandenong if that helps - Disk to disk.

Reaper