Rods '70 HG Brougham

[MR.HG]

my project 10 yrs in the making- finally getting panel beated



Odometer - 76,000miles (first time round)

Colour -Dripping Wet Black(soon)

Engine&Engine Mods -factory original 308 stroked to 355,L34 heads,

Gearbox - factory 3spd auto (trimatic)

Diff - VS disc brake custom 3.45 LSD

Suspension - Pedders Heavy Duty lowered front springs&rear shocks, Koni adjustable front shocks, standard rear leafies (for now)

Exhaust - none atm, need to get custom extractors, 2 1/2 inch xpipe dual setup

Wheels - 14x8 225s HK stockos (the dual slot ones) chrome dress rim, HQ statesman hub caps, white walls

Interior- full leather-wood grain trim original replica.

[ssv 08 ute]

Absolute classic !!
Looking forward to some pics later down the track rod..

[Hangman]

Definitely need pics

[ari666]

legally speaking you can have a 327 in that... and which cop on the planet can tell a 327 from a 350

*big grin* MUST NEEDS PICS!!!

[Hangman]

Why only a 327? The HG Monaro came out with the 350.

Plus it's a bonus having the original 308 still in it. Broughams are pretty thin on the ground these days...

[MR.HG]

^^ yea original 308 stroked will do fine, pics coming later tonight...doing sum rust repairs and just finished wire brushing the floor pan back to bare metal zzzz

[ari666]

hardly original if your gonna stroke it, but yeah i understand.

plus, thought HG only had 327? HQ had 350? (genuine question, i dont know)

[MR.HG]

HG were 253 V8 optional on all models, 308 V8 optional on all models, 350 V8 standard on Monaro GTS '350' and im pretty sure they were the first trimatic v8 combination. HK had the 327 and 307,the HT had the 308,307,350 and by original motor i meant numbers matching

[Hangman]

Don't worry bout Ari, from what I've read, he doesn't get the concept of people wanting a matching numbers engine in their car if it's not the biggest factory option or if it's modified.

Now where's these pics? Always wanted a brougham.

[ari666]

Don't worry bout Ari,

are we on this 253 business agin?

also: MUST NEEDS PICS.

[Hangman]

Nah. 308 now mate

[ari666]

still doesnt change the fact there is a HUGE lack of pictures in here.

*looks around*

[VK SL 3800]

Cant wait for pics

[Zeussy]

Wow, let down

Came in here all hoping to see pics, and buhhbummm....


Sounds nice mate, keen to see her!

[ari666]

i know! my eyes are getting sleepy from all the pixfail.

[Calaber]

HG were 253 V8 optional on all models, 308 V8 optional on all models, 350 V8 standard on Monaro GTS '350' and im pretty sure they were the first trimatic v8 combination. HK had the 327 and 307,the HT had the 308,307,350 and by original motor i meant numbers matching

Just a couple of points to clarify here. Old bastards like me remember this stuff from our youth.

HT's could be had with the 307 until the 308 came on line. The 307's were then run out. The 308 was standard in the HG Brougham.

With regard to when the Trimatics first appeared, they were exceedingly rare but the first Trimatics appeared on very late HT's. I'd be willing to bet not one has survived to this day, they were so rare. They even had their own unique badge which I have only seen once, many years ago. Anybody who remembers the old Tri-matic badge will recall it was a simple "Tri-matic" in chrome, but when they were fitted to those HT's, they had an upside down triangle behind the letter T at the beginning of the badge.

It's also worth noting that there were two different 350's in the HT and HG. Manuals had a high compression (10.25:1) version, developing 300 bhp and autos ran a low compression (9.0:1) 275 HP version.

[MR.HG]

as soon as i get her out of the shed i will get some full car shots, but she is blocked in atm and we wont try to move her until the roof gets stripped and primed, been looking for days and cant find any before pics but they will be posted as soon as i find them


maybe i should give u guys a quick run down as to how she got to this state :

i bought her off an old man 11 yrs ago, drove her for a year till water started coming through the roof every time it rained. so i removed the vinyl hood to find a mass of rust - took her off the road and stripped her to bare metal (panel by panel)and rust converted everything. my first plan was to restore her old fashioned ways lead wipe and file finish and show her as a bare metal brougham but was way too expensive so i primed her up and shopped for a panel beater. Found one but could never convince him to do it for me "too big of a project" so i primed her up and stored her and begged my mates dad for years ....untill now..... hes ready finally , tells me he wanted this to be his last restore "save the best for last" haha


so this is how she sat for 10 years

[MR.HG]

HT's could be had with the 307 until the 308 came on line. The 307's were then run out. The 308 was standard in the HG Brougham.

With regard to when the Trimatics first appeared, they were exceedingly rare but the first Trimatics appeared on very late HT's.

these HT's with the 308's would have been the same ones with the trimatic no?

[Pub247]

i would say not necessarily some probably had turbo pattern 308's

[Calaber]

these HT's with the 308's would have been the same ones with the trimatic no?

No, the first 308's came with the Powerglide in the HT. The HT was introduced in May 1969, the Brougham in June 1969 and the HG came out in July 1970. Those really late HT's I was talking about, would have been amongst the last ones made, probably around June/July 1970.

The 307 in the HT ran out sometime during the second half of 1969. Even though the 308 was available from June 1969 with the Brougham, you couldn't option it in other models until the 307 ran out. I had a 307 HT Premier which was a late 1969 model, but it had the Powerglide.

[Calaber]

Turbo pattern 308's didn't appear until the HJ, after the 350's were dropped from the model line-up. According to my records, the HJ Statesman ran the 308 with TH400. Some time down the track, the TH400 was replaced with the lighter TH350.

[Pub247]

Ouch that roof dont look good thats going to be a pain to get it smooth afterwards

[Calaber]

Looking at the rust, it seems very serious in the roof and below the rear window. Broughams had a vinyl roof as standard but it was called an "island" vinyl roof because it didn't go right to the front and side edges of the roof, and was finished off with moulding clipped all the way around. It was a "delete option", but very few owners chose to delete them. I can't see any sign of the studs that the clips fitted over, but that rust tells me it was fitted with the vinyl roof. Was that the case?

[MR.HG]

No, the first 308's came with the Powerglide in the HT. The HT was introduced in May 1969, the Brougham in June 1969 and the HG came out in July 1970. Those really late HT's I was talking about, would have been amongst the last ones made, probably around June/July 1970.

The 307 in the HT ran out sometime during the second half of 1969. Even though the 308 was available from June 1969 with the Brougham, you couldn't option it in other models until the 307 ran out. I had a 307 HT Premier which was a late 1969 model, but it had the Powerglide.

well what were the trimatics behind in the HTs? what was the first ever 308/trimatic combination?

[MR.HG]

Looking at the rust, it seems very serious in the roof and below the rear window. Broughams had a vinyl roof as standard but it was called an "island" vinyl roof because it didn't go right to the front and side edges of the roof, and was finished off with moulding clipped all the way around. It was a "delete option", but very few owners chose to delete them. I can't see any sign of the studs that the clips fitted over, but that rust tells me it was fitted with the vinyl roof. Was that the case?

correct, the studs were ground off when i took the roof to bare metal 10 yrs ago, was never going to replace the vinyl and decided the strip would look ugly on its own