Flinders Street Protests

[Jesterarts]

Indian student protest

Ok, yes I understand that the indian student community has something to be angry about.

Not sure this is the best way to go about it... Annoying more people.

Though on that same not... I guess they really don't have any other avenues to get their messege across...

Opinions?

[tr3nt]

I'm sorry, i'm going to come across extremely racist, but MAJORITY of these people have migrated over from middle eastern countries - if you don't like it.. LEAVE. Simply no need to balls up public transport, use up police resources and waste people's time.

[Thomas1]

Yes it is unfortunate what is happening to them. But I can tell you that they aren't the only ones to be getting bashed. Look at what happened to that guy last week when he helped someone out...he got stabbed and he died. He wasn't Indian now was he?

Don't make it hard for the rest of us by blocking off busy city streets. If they are really scared/worried about it then go back to India...that's much safer over there with bombings and what not...

[Static89]

throwing projectiles dident help them none..... they got signs like stop violence, and they go and do stuff like that, it may have helped if the minority of the crowd hadednt started throwing rocks and such, i havent seen this on the news or anything so im only going by these pictures, some look like it got a little bit out of hand, police wrestling a few people, if they wanted something to happen staging a violent protest wasnt the right way to do it, if anything i see the amount of bashings going up,

[minux]

Sorry what is happening to them? Oh the same that happens to other people that aren't indians? Harden the **** up immigrants. If you don't like the job our police are doing **** off back to your shitty 3rd world shithole and stop acting like wankers.

Its time to shut the floodgates, it is becoming a joke when migrants are closing down one of our major cities with hooligan antics. What a waste of police resources.

I dare people to walk around parts of India at strange hours, I guarantee more than a bashing will occur heh...

[danja]

Not sure this is the best way to go about it... Annoying more people.

I'm sorry, i'm going to come across extremely racist, but MAJORITY of these people have migrated over from middle eastern countries - if you don't like it.. LEAVE. Simply no need to balls up public transport, use up police resources and waste people's time.

Don't make it hard for the rest of us by blocking off busy city streets. If they are really scared/worried about it then go back to India...that's much safer over there with bombings and what not...

I think you guys are missing the point about protests, they aren't to make friends, they are to raise general awareness about whatever your agenda is.

Seems to be working, it's got you lot talking about it

As for the "**** off home" lines, not really fair. It's not like they are asking for anything unreasonable, they're just asking not to be targeted for bashings. I believe something like 1.5% of the population of Melbourne is Indian, yet they're saying 30% of bashings are against Indians? C'mon, you can't call that coincidence - they have a reason to be upset.

[minux]

As for the "**** off home" lines, not really fair. It's not like they are asking for anything unreasonable, they're just asking not to be targeted for bashings. I believe something like 1.5% of the population of Melbourne is Indian, yet they're saying 30% of bashings are against Indians? C'mon, you can't call that coincidence - they have a reason to be upset.

Ok, so we know 1.5% of Melbourne people are indians, where did this stat come from?
30% of bashings are against Indians? Another random stat?

A couple of bashings have occurred in shithole suburbs where loads of people get bashed, if you are going to walk around a shithole at all hours of the night, well what the hell do you think will happen?

The stats are bullshit and these people just need to either harden up, or not go out at stupid hours of the night. They are not hard done by lie the news would have you know or their made up stats would have you believe.

[danja]

Ok, so we know 1.5% of Melbourne people are indians, where did this stat come from?
30% of bashings are against Indians? Another random stat?

A couple of bashings have occurred in shithole suburbs where loads of people get bashed, if you are going to walk around a shithole at all hours of the night, well what the hell do you think will happen?

The Standard - Outrage at `curry bashings'

To elaborate, there are supposedly less than 50,000 Indians in Melbourne, with a total population of 4 million. Works out as less than 1.25%.

Yes, the 30% figure was quoted as the being in the dodgier suburbs, but unless you can show that at least 30% of the population in those suburbs are Indian, it's still an over representation - the fact that you say loads of bashings go on actually means that any statistics are more valid as they have a larger sample size

The stats are bullshit and these people just need to either harden up, or not go out at stupid hours of the night. They are not hard done by lie the news would have you know or their made up stats would have you believe.

If you're going to call the stats bullshit, you'd better have some more credible information of your own, otherwise I'm calling your bluff.

Anyway, I'm not trying to take a side here, because I don't really have one, I'm not Indian and most of my mates aren't either, and the ones who are are not the type who'd be likely to come out worse in a fight My point is mainly around protests, what they are for and how they can be effective.

[minux]

The Standard - Outrage at `curry bashings'


If you're going to call the stats bullshit, you'd better have some more credible information of your own, otherwise I'm calling your bluff.

Your going to quote a Hong Kong newspaper for stats?

Oh by the way, that 50,000 is Indian students only, which is a bloody fair percentage of all University students in Melbourne...

[tr3nt]

As for the "**** off home" lines, not really fair.

Horse Shit.

I believe it's Unfair that AUSSIE kids in AUSSIE schools cannot celebrate christmas or even have santa come and visit. I know it's not necessarily Indian, but it's all the other bloody cultures coming in and changing our ways and traditions.

Unfair my arse. What RIGHT do they have, as previously stated, wasting resources, hogging the city, and creating a nuisance for themselves.

[Jesterarts]

Horse Shit.

I believe it's Unfair that AUSSIE kids in AUSSIE schools cannot celebrate christmas or even have santa come and visit. I know it's not necessarily Indian, but it's all the other bloody cultures coming in and changing our ways and traditions.

Unfair my arse. What RIGHT do they have, as previously stated, wasting resources, hogging the city, and creating a nuisance for themselves.

Lol... do you even know what the subject of this thread is... lol. Wtf are you talking about christmas and their culture... lol...

This is the indian student community saying they have had a gutfull of being flogged by on a weekly basis... nothing to do with christmas or culture...

Yes, it is annoying that they are protesting by making other peoples day harder... and yes... the minority that started getting violent and throwing shit isn't helpnig their cause at all.

I agree with them that discrimination and attackes that are racially driven are pretty low, ironically... from the video's shown of the bashing that sparked all this... the attackers didn't exactly look born and bread australian.

BUT, on the flip side... every night of the week, hundreds of people get their arse handed to them in bloody brawls and it never makes the news... because it's not racially motivated... so it's not a good story...

I guess I sympathies with them for being targets of these attacks... but at the same time they are not doing themselves any favors with protests like the one at flinders street.

[minux]

Lol... do you even know what the subject of this thread is... lol. Wtf are you talking about christmas and their culture... lol...

This is the indian student community saying they have had a gutfull of being flogged by on a weekly basis... nothing to do with christmas or culture...

Yes, it is annoying that they are protesting by making other peoples day harder... and yes... the minority that started getting violent and throwing shit isn't helpnig their cause at all.

I agree with them that discrimination and attackes that are racially driven are pretty low, ironically... from the video's shown of the bashing that sparked all this... the attackers didn't exactly look born and bread australian.

BUT, on the flip side... every night of the week, hundreds of people get their arse handed to them in bloody brawls and it never makes the news... because it's not racially motivated... so it's not a good story...

I guess I sympathies with them for being targets of these attacks... but at the same time they are not doing themselves any favors with protests like the one at flinders street.

Sorry, racially driven attacks???

Didn't the POLICE say they do not have any links to show it is racially motivated?

It is only racially motivated because the idiots protesting is saying it is. How else do you push such a bullshit story?

[Jesterarts]

I think the give away was the face the bloke was indian and the attackers asked him what he is doing here and why doesn't he go back to his own country... they might be the give away that it was a raciam attack...

[minux]

I think the give away was the face the bloke was indian and the attackers asked him what he is doing here and why doesn't he go back to his own country... they might be the give away that it was a raciam attack...

Oh so 1 attack means EVERY attack is racially driven? The amounts of fights I was involved in, in sydney where it was because I was an aussie i lost count of, does this mean they are racially motivated and should mean I protest and shut down a city? No it doesn't, there has always been differences between cultures, would you call this racist? No, the term racist is flung around so wildly these days, much like hero is. I do not think telling people they are not welcome here is racist. These are just oppurtunistic attacks by downright thugs.

I mean, we have this family Kill claim in racism storm | Herald Sun claiming the drunk idiot that was hit by a train was murdered by a taxi driver and left lying on the tracks lol...

I will say this though, how many tourists are mugged and bashed in India each year, I dare you to try and protest like they did here over there...perhaps we start taking the same line as these countries do with this bullshit.

[Julie]

Rofl what a brilliant tactic, they whinge about these hate crimes so lets all hold a protest and make more people hate us. They should pack up and go back to India to study clearly they aren't going to major in common sense here.

[hsvpunk]

if you cant come to this country and try to string som words to gether, then get the **** out.

i had indians come into my shop on Friday dn the woman was trying to order her shit in her ****ed up language... clearly i didnt understand a word of it.

And to whoever the person in the media was that said it WASNT racially.... are they kidding them selves??... of course it is.

[Jesterarts]

... I do not think telling people they are not welcome here is racist. These are just oppurtunistic attacks by downright thugs.

You do make a good point.

I think the moral is... what is happening at Flinders Street is a protest with a weak cause, and in the end it will cause more harm then good...

I'm on the fence with this i guess... I don;t agree with people been attacked based on background in general... being that I'm a polak and I've experienced racial slurs and attacks first had when I was younger...

And at the same time, protesting about it is stupid and counter productive... plus they are victimising themselves... making it out to be more of an issue than it is.

In the end... in regards specifically to the protests at flinders street... two wrongs don't make a right.

[minux]

I'm on the fence with this i guess... I don;t agree with people been attacked based on background in general... being that I'm a polak and I've experienced racial slurs and attacks first had when I was younger...

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No one agree's with it, but fact is, just as many "White" anglo aussies are attacked by other races as they attack. It is further proof that no matter what you do, multiculturalism just doesn't work, no matter how hard you try. Sure we can live in peace for a little while, but it never lasts long, only need to look at world history to see this.

[Grennan]

Maybe they should invest in better security at 7/11.

I agree with the majority here, the protest is the wrong thing to do and the claims and threats of cuting of trade etc by the Indian Government are just downright silly.

There are some places in Melbourne you just do not go after dark, its no cooincidece that a lot of these places are cultural melting pots so there are bound to be bashings that involve another race, doesnt mean its always raced related though. The protest isnt going to help. All theyve done is make everyone frustrated, everyone in a bad mood.

[minux]

There are some places in Melbourne you just do not go after dark, its no cooincidece that a lot of these places are cultural melting pots so there are bound to be bashings that involve another race, doesnt mean its always raced related though. The protest isnt going to help. All theyve done is make everyone frustrated, everyone in a bad mood.

Exactly, I mean, If i wanted a new laptop, blackberry, cash, i'd just find an Indian student walking around at 2am and help myself to it. They are opportunistic targets. They can't fight, are generally very weak, so its a breeze.

[Julie]

Does it really matter if the attacks were racially motivated? Disgusting low act that 99.9% of Australians would disagree with. Protesting isn't going to do anything to stop those handful of fanatical nutcases bashing whoever they want, the bashers are probably loving all this commotion they caused. Protest is just plain stupid its just making people that may have sympathised with them resent them for ****ing up their day. They aren't going to win any support by pulling this sort of stunt, its only hurting them. If they do really think these attacks are racially motivated and they want to help stop them maybe they should concentrate their efforts into doing something constructive. Maybe working with police they could go out and about in public with descriptions of the attackers appealling for public information to catch these perpetrators. That would earn them a lot more sympathy and support than carrying on like a bunch of tools protesting and putting people offside.

[Jesterarts]

^^^^

[minux]

Does it really matter if the attacks were racially motivated? Disgusting low act that 99.9% of Australians would disagree with. Protesting isn't going to do anything to stop those handful of fanatical nutcases bashing whoever they want, the bashers are probably loving all this commotion they caused. Protest is just plain stupid its just making people that may have sympathised with them resent them for ****ing up their day. They aren't going to win any support by pulling this sort of stunt, its only hurting them. If they do really think these attacks are racially motivated and they want to help stop them maybe they should concentrate their efforts into doing something constructive. Maybe working with police they could go out and about in public with descriptions of the attackers appealling for public information to catch these perpetrators. That would earn them a lot more sympathy and support than carrying on like a bunch of tools protesting and putting people offside.

Jules, this method wont win bleeding heart hippy support then. So it is useless doing things the right way.

[Nanos]

I do not see the point to this protest.

If they think the goverment is going to do anything about it they are wrong. Maybe instead of protesting they could have used that time getting some self deffence classes.

Like everyone is saying, no one is safe walking the streets these days. Spend a night on frankston streets and you will get your arse handed to you.

If they dont like it then go home, atleast we will have some uni spots for australians.

[danja]

Your going to quote a Hong Kong newspaper for stats?

Oh by the way, that 50,000 is Indian students only, which is a bloody fair percentage of all University students in Melbourne...

You'll find most overseas students end up in Victoria, NSW and some in Canberra.

Like I said, unless you have a more credible source of numbers, you have no basis for discrediting them. Put up, or shut up as the saying goes.

Horse Shit.

I believe it's Unfair that AUSSIE kids in AUSSIE schools cannot celebrate christmas or even have santa come and visit. I know it's not necessarily Indian, but it's all the other bloody cultures coming in and changing our ways and traditions.

Unfair my arse. What RIGHT do they have, as previously stated, wasting resources, hogging the city, and creating a nuisance for themselves.

You're funny. Who exactly is stopping you or anyone else celebrating Christmas? There some secret Christmas police I don't know about? Let me guess, they are like the Stasi and get you in your sleep?

They have the right as humans not to have the shit beat out of them for no reason. You're calling them pricks for standing up for themselves?