Hoons front page sunday mail

[STEALTHY™]

And just for the record, what would you as the messiah of hooning, I don't hoon. I love burnouts, but havn't done one for years because there isn't anywhere to do them

[STEALTHY™]

No need to be flippant. You're clearly critical of the current approach to the issue, but if you don't have a better idea what are you complaining about?

I'm not complaining. I said, bring in tougher laws. They wont work either. The sooner they find this shit out, the better we'll be

[danja]

And just for the record, what would you as the messiah of hooning, I don't hoon. I love burnouts, but havn't done one for years because there isn't anywhere to do them

Whether or not you hoon I'm in no position to comment on, but you certainly seem to stick up for the practice as much as possible without actually engaging in it.

Anyhow, I removed that part of my comment because there's no point getting sidetracked with personal remarks, but unfortunately for me you refresh quicker than I do.

[danja]

I'm not complaining. I said, bring in tougher laws. They wont work either. The sooner they find this shit out, the better we'll be

Which is my point, you don't think this will work - so what will?

Or are you suggesting we should just let these people keep getting away with killing themselves and more importantly other innocent people, and costing the rest of us money to scrape their brains off the pavement?

[STEALTHY™]

I quoted from the email reply Email misses nothing


I don't stick up for it, i just understand that people who do do burnouts on the street, DONT have anywhere legal to do them. If there was somewhere legal, then they'd have no excuses whatsoever, and then, and only then, would such hoon laws be fair in my eyes.

[STEALTHY™]

Which is my point, you don't think this will work - so what will?

Or are you suggesting we should just let these people keep getting away with killing themselves and more importantly other innocent people, and costing the rest of us money to scrape their brains off the pavement?

Yup, seems to be the solution to drink drivers. Why not bring it out across the board

[danja]

I quoted from the email reply Email misses nothing


I don't stick up for it, i just understand that people who do do burnouts on the street, DONT have anywhere legal to do them. If there was somewhere legal, then they'd have no excuses whatsoever, and then, and only then, would such hoon laws be fair in my eyes.

I could use the same argument as an excuse to murder people (there isn't anywhere for me to legally do it!), but that would be silly now wouldn't it?

[STEALTHY™]

I could use the same argument as an excuse to murder people (there isn't anywhere for me to legally do it!), but that would be silly now wouldn't it?

Nope, because murder is illegal anywhere. Burnouts are completely legal if not done on public roads

[danja]

Yup, seems to be the solution to drink drivers. Why not bring it out across the board

As far as I can see, the problem with drink drivers (and speeding, hooning, and pretty much any form of habitual driving offense) is not the policing of the issue, but rather that when shit hits the fan for the driver, and they get hauled before a court, the judges invariably seem to dish out piss-weak penalties?

I know plenty of people who've been done for drink driving, speeding, driving without a license multiple times, and been to court multiple times for it, and walked away with 6 month suspensions/fines/slaps on the wrist. What a joke!

[2001_VXSS]

i agreed with stealthy... the sooner they bring in these laws for P platers the better.. but then again.. how many p platers or fully licenced drivers now have cars that have illegal mods?? SHIT LOADS!! so what is restrictions going to do.. for one it will make some people follow the new rules, but then you will still have the ones they wont and still will bolt on illegal mods. there are tonnes of cars out there that have illegal mods and the cops have caught them yet..

i think that they should bring in a rule that if you are defected and go to regency for anything and parts are removed or changed.. then get it passed.. i think that they should have to go back to regency every 6-8 weeks to get it checked over and make sure it that it hasnt been changed back.. yes i no some of you guys are saying "i wont care ill just keep changing it evey time i go there".. but how long do you think you will keep this up????

yea i've been in trouble with cops before been to regency and so have so many other guys/girls.. its just something we do as teens.. but for **** SAKE grown a ****ing brain and get over it. yeah do it have your fun but at the right time and place not on a main road or lil side street. do it on a track!!
personally the hoon crashed over the last couple of months didnt really affect me, one because i didnt no them. yes it scared me a lil bit cos it could happen to me but when i got behind the wheel of my car i didnt care. UNTIL i crash my VT one nite.. that scared the SHITS out of me!! i was extremely lucky to come out of that crash...
i no some of you people (mostly guys) wil be like well that wont happen to me.. thats what i thought.. well just actually sit down and think about it.. cos it can happen to anyone.. and after experiencing crashing into a rock enbankment at 100kmph i've realised that i could have been killed or seriously injuried. so just get the message into your heads and think "it could happen to me" and also think about what affect it will have on your families, friends! my parents were so shit scared that they wouldnt let me drive for a week cos they were scared of what could happen. because i crashed at 1pm in the morning.. my parents just about had a heart attack when i rang them and said "i've just crashed my car its ****ed!! im too scared to move! hurry up!!!" how would your parents or a friend feel if you called them saying you just crashed your car or just been in an accident????

i also think that when i driver goes for their P's that they have the test as welll as like a half a day or full day course on what will happen if you are stupid on the roads.. and full course on an accident from the result of speeding and hoon driving.. some will get the message but some wont..

[oOSparkyOo]

block off roads and use cb radios i seen that on fast and furious /wink

[STEALTHY™]

As far as I can see, the problem with drink drivers (and speeding, hooning, and pretty much any form of habitual driving offense) is not the policing of the issue, but rather that when shit hits the fan for the driver, and they get hauled before a court, the judges invariably seem to dish out piss-weak penalties?

I know plenty of people who've been done for drink driving, speeding, driving without a license multiple times, and been to court multiple times for it, and walked away with 6 month suspensions/fines/slaps on the wrist. What a joke!

I wouldn't list 'hooning' in the category of punishment not fitting the crime. All the rest you mentioned are piss weak. I could drop the clutch around a corner, and suffer a higher penalty than someone who has driven while drunk 11 times! Not once, not twice, ELEVEN times.


Either way, my opinion is still the same. Some (note, not all) of the people I hear of going on those cruises would love a track, and suggest one was open, they'd use it. Which is why the laws are stupid. IF they had somewhere legal to go, it would leave the people who never had any intentions of doing things legally, and then the law can deal with them

[STEALTHY™]

block off roads and use cb radios i seen that on fast and furious /wink

I think the reporter watched that, those clubs don't 'block off roads'

[greenfoam]

All you need is some money for goverment built club run skid pan, the drag strip to open, the majority of the problem would be gone like it is here where we have both (And I bet we have the lowest rate of hoon fines in the State by faaaaaaar). I totaly agree with Stealthy on the hoon law, if it was a 3 month lockup first offence I would try running too first time and if it was a car crushing situation I would have no option but to run until I crashed the car myself.

However about the track, it took the local club near on 20 years to save up enough money to build a track so it's a long term goal

[elemeNtz]

did they just watch some "fast and the furious" on youtube then apply it to a cruise?

surely they wouldn't be able to block off Pt. Wakefield Rd. or whatever road it is without any police interferance

[STEALTHY™]

All you need is some money for goverment built club run skid pan, the drag strip to open, the majority of the problem would be gone like it is here where we have both (And I bet we have the lowest rate of hoon fines in the State by faaaaaaar). I totaly agree with Stealthy on the hoon law, if it was a 3 month lockup first offence I would try running too first time and if it was a car crushing situation I would have no option but to run until I crashed the car myself.

However about the track, it took the local club near on 20 years to save up enough money to build a track so it's a long term goal

I don't do illegal stuff on the road, i drive to work, then drive home. Suggest a power tripping cop tried to confiscate my car under the 'hoon laws', then i'd gladly run.

[danja]

I wouldn't list 'hooning' in the category of punishment not fitting the crime. All the rest you mentioned are piss weak. I could drop the clutch around a corner, and suffer a higher penalty than someone who has driven while drunk 11 times! Not once, not twice, ELEVEN times.

On this point we may be in agreeance, I don't believe there needs to be a separate category for hooning. Speeding is speeding, racing is racing, reckless driving is reckless driving.

Either way, my opinion is still the same. Some (note, not all) of the people I hear of going on those cruises would love a track, and suggest one was open, they'd use it. Which is why the laws are stupid. IF they had somewhere legal to go, it would leave the people who never had any intentions of doing things legally, and then the law can deal with them

While that may well be true, how do you establish that because people go to a track, that they won't break the law back on the road?

The people with the restraint not to act up on the street in the first place aren't the problem.

[greenfoam]

On this point we may be in agreeance, I don't believe there needs to be a separate category for hooning. Speeding is speeding, racing is racing, reckless driving is reckless driving.



While that may well be true, how do you establish that because people go to a track, that they won't break the law back on the road?

The people with the restraint not to act up on the street in the first place aren't the problem.

I would say that a large percentage of people that race at my local track break the "law" on backroads (not the almost dedicated drag cars but the street cars sure), however you don't get caught on backroads. You get caught in the main street and no one goes silly there anymore since the burnout pad and track were built. There's two different kind of hoons, those that enjoy showing off, they find their dream at the burnout pad in front of 1,500 people on Friday nights and cutting slow times with epic wheelspin on the track. Then there are the guys that race the clock and don't care who sees them. These guys are either out in the middle of no where testing or racing down the track on Friday/Saturday. So while there is still "law" (current dodgy laws ) breaking going on it's no longer visible, dangerous or catchable

[STEALTHY™]

While that may well be true, how do you establish that because people go to a track, that they won't break the law back on the road?

The people with the restraint not to act up on the street in the first place aren't the problem.

And there'd be no excuses for that. Currently tho, there is an excuse, 'where can i go to legally do burnouts and drag race?'

Keep in mind, 99% of motorist have broken a law at one stage. I bet theres only a small percentage that actually get caught

[camstatic]

We used to have access to a paddock which had the leftover concrete foundations of a house on it, privately owned... Those were the days! Cops would line up along the highway and just watch, they only ever interfered if the wind direction dragged the smoke over highway one, and it'd just be a 'please stop until the wind changes'.

Apparently Dirt Circuit SA are in the motions of laying down a pad here in Port Augusta (not that it's coming along too quickly) at the dirt circuit track, so between Whyalla, Pirie, and here running regular events, people might indeed have somewhere to release some steam for a small fee and the petrol to get them there.

It'd be nice to see this sort of stuff done in a controlled environment, every time a 'party' like the one in the video is busted, the tightening grip of the law is felt all over the countryside. Cops will go on a rampage defecting everything that isn't a Hyundai Getz (well, you know what I mean), so it won't look like they're doing nothing about the problem.

Does anyone know if or when AIR is due to re-open?

[timmy01.8]

LOL Block off the roads and use CB radio's it sounds xactly the same as Fast and the furious these reporters need to get there facts straight before talking s*&$ in papers. NO CAR CRUISE uses road blocks to stop traffic going through specially on a hwy like pt wakefield.

Second they say about cars beeping there horns and applying the brakes hard and having to swirve to miss a car in the middle of circle work i was there two cars went past and none had to slow down as no car was on the road at the time...

Oh and you news reporters you need to get your sight checked coz you say we always some how know when i car or truck is comming maybe because you can see miles along that straight stretch of road

[danja]

And there'd be no excuses for that. Currently tho, there is an excuse, 'where can i go to legally do burnouts and drag race?'

How is that any more of an excuse that it would be an excuse for me murdering people?? If it's illegal to do where you are, and you don't have a place to do it - don't do it! It really, really is that simple.

If you know it's illegal and you still decide to do it then you deserve every bit of punishment you receive when you get caught.

[STEALTHY™]

How is that any more of an excuse that it would be an excuse for me murdering people?? If it's illegal to do where you are, and you don't have a place to do it - don't do it! It really, really is that simple.

If you know it's illegal and you still decide to do it then you deserve every bit of punishment you receive when you get caught.

Its illegal to murder people. Full stop, no ifs or buts.
Burnouts are legal when not done on public roads.


Lets compare it to shooting a gun. Quite legal at a shooting range. Suggest the ranges didn't exist, and people went around shooting in their back yard. Obviously illegal, but with nowhere legal to do it, do you expect anything less.

You have to adapt to changing social climate. More and more people like having fun in their cars, so it only makes sense to provide a place to do it.



Edit, also, forgive my wording. Its not an Excuse. It doesn't excuse what the person does. BUT, it is a reason why they did it!

[greenfoam]

I really think it's fair to say South Australia's problem is lack of venues. Ever since I was a teenager I noted that there were more fast cars and "hoons" across the border as soon as you hit Mount Gambier than there is in Vic, It's allways been like that, it's the major culture of the state (we all know the poor buggers have nothing else to live for ). Why a state whos youth allways have grown up with a car fetish have got no place to legally race near the capital city is beyond me. If you are going to change the laws to stiffin then penalties for burnouts and sideways action on the street then you surely better make alternative arragments for where this can be done. You can't change peoples desires overnight, that takes generations to forget

[STEALTHY™]

I really think it's fair to say South Australia's problem is lack of venues. Ever since I was a teenager I noted that there were more fast cars and "hoons" across the border as soon as you hit Mount Gambier than there is in Vic, It's allways been like that, it's the major culture of the state (we all know the poor buggers have nothing else to live for ). Why a state whos youth allways have grown up with a car fetish have got no place to legally race near the capital city is beyond me. If you are going to change the laws to stiffin then penalties for burnouts and sideways action on the street then you surely better make alternative arragments for where this can be done. You can't change peoples desires overnight, that takes generations to forget

Thats basically what i was getting at, you just worded it better