NSW Police to stop issuing fines for 1 week

[.:Brad:.]

NSW police to stop issuing fines

this will be interesting. Wonder if it will last the whole week?
Brad

[Cobez]

LOL!!! Doubt it will happen, imagine how the money the government would lose. They won't hear of it.

[Grennan]

THey did it last year down here in Vic. Government wasnt to pleased.

[ephect]

THey did it last year down here in Vic. Government wasnt to pleased.

Oh no, its never about the money, its all about the community safety and cleaning up the roads.. pfft..

[Swordsy]

Warnings are good, so under 30 over and your fine.... :P

Government can only really stop it if they agree with the union. On the spot fines are at the officers discretion anyway.

[Kunu]

Geez , save them 200 mill a year and there not going for it, im stumped!!! Imagine where they could take holidays for that amount of money lolol

[VrWagz1]

If the government would stop being a tight arse and just give em a decent pay rise without trying to rob them of their conditions then they could have avoided all of that.

[Calaber]

If the government would stop being a tight arse and just give em a decent pay rise without trying to rob them of their conditions then they could have avoided all of that.

Do you have any idea how much they want and what it will cost you and me in increased taxes and state charges? And do you realise the "flow-on" that will occur with other government employees if one group of 15,000 gets a pay rise greater than the standard 2.5% being offered by the Government? If the police get 4%, then all teachers, nurses and every other branch of government employee will expect the same. Where does all that money come from - yep, you and me. No thanks.

NSW Police are well paid, particularly by comparison with police in other Australian states. Their starting wage for a Probationary Constable is over $50k.

I worked alongside the NSW Police for over 30 years and got very tired of listening to many of them complaining about their pay and conditions. Yes, sure, they have a dangerous and unpleasant job and there is the risk of injury or death with every shift, but those conditions have existed for a long time and the Force provides plenty of information regarding pay and conditions before they join up. Many of them fail to appreciate how effective their Union has been in obtaining better pay and conditions over the years.

No doubt, all workers would like a pay rise, but in this current economic situation, a bit of a reality check is called for.

[greenfoam]

I'm good friends with a cop and they have very good pay and conditions, and HEAPS of holidays. They have nothing to complain about apart from the danger but that's why they are looked after so well (allready)

[vlv8vic]

I'm good friends with a cop and they have very good pay and conditions, and HEAPS of holidays. They have nothing to complain about apart from the danger but that's why they are looked after so well (allready)

i looked into joining the force recently and pay and conditions are worse than teaching. and teaching pay and conditions are shit.
Sure, the pay is better that many jobs, but when you break down what is actually done it's shit, like doing two jobs for the pay of one.

[TVR-190]

i looked into joining the force recently and pay and conditions are worse than teaching. and teaching pay and conditions are shit.
Sure, the pay is better that many jobs, but when you break down what is actually done it's shit, like doing two jobs for the pay of one.

ya my dads a teacher and teachers do alot more work then they are paid for, hours of marking a night, class prep, and he has to put up with kids at a sports high school that are all footy heads and dont care about subjects.

I think the police deserve the pay rise, itd be a crappy job I reckon.

[VrWagz1]

Do you have any idea how much they want and what it will cost you and me in increased taxes and state charges? And do you realise the "flow-on" that will occur with other government employees if one group of 15,000 gets a pay rise greater than the standard 2.5% being offered by the Government? If the police get 4%, then all teachers, nurses and every other branch of government employee will expect the same. Where does all that money come from - yep, you and me. No thanks.

NSW Police are well paid, particularly by comparison with police in other Australian states. Their starting wage for a Probationary Constable is over $50k.

No doubt, all workers would like a pay rise, but in this current economic situation, a bit of a reality check is called for.

WOW 50k, no wonder they want a pay rise. TBH i recon 80k should be a minimum strart point but thats the unfortunate thing working in the public sector.
Yes i am aware where the money comes from and be real, 2.5% is stupid. You mise well not have it. That is just like the accord on the miners, its simply a way of trying to effectivly reduce their wage over time.

[Grennan]

Thats 50k for a FRESH OUT OF THE ACADEMY Constable. As far as I can remember Victorian Probationary Constables are on about 44k.

It is widely known across Australia that not only are NSW police the best paid, but they have the best equipment and the best conditions.

[vlv8vic]

Thats 50k for a FRESH OUT OF THE ACADEMY Constable. As far as I can remember Victorian Probationary Constables are on about 44k.

It is widely known across Australia that not only are NSW police the best paid, but they have the best equipment and the best conditions.

Crap isn't it? They pay their way through and still come out on a wage that's well below the median Aussie wage. For what they do too...... absolute crap.

[minux]

Crap isn't it? They pay their way through and still come out on a wage that's well below the median Aussie wage. For what they do too...... absolute crap.

How do they pay their way through?

I think their pay is fine, they know what wages they will get when they join, so not sure why they complain when they think it is too low. Wage rises are an issue in this country, too many people get overpaid for what they do, this drives up prices of everything else and we end up in the same position.

They choose to do this job, no one forces them, they know the pay when they go into it. Just like defence, you know what your getting in for, yet you rarely if ever hear these guys complaining.

People need to harden the **** up and if they don't like what they are being paid FIND SOMETHING ELSE.

[vlv8vic]

How do they pay their way through?

I think their pay is fine, they know what wages they will get when they join, so not sure why they complain when they think it is too low. Wage rises are an issue in this country, too many people get overpaid for what they do, this drives up prices of everything else and we end up in the same position.

They choose to do this job, no one forces them, they know the pay when they go into it. Just like defence, you know what your getting in for, yet you rarely if ever hear these guys complaining.

People need to harden the **** up and if they don't like what they are being paid FIND SOMETHING ELSE.

Academy isn't free - and you can't really have a second job while you are there.
I think the pay is shit for what they do, so harden the **** up yourself and stop ridiculing everyone's opinions with your gospel of re-hashed internet statements. It's downright boring mate.

Maybe they want to be cops? nothing wrong with that. They enjoy it, they do it then realise the pay isn't matched to the job.
Hell when i started teaching i thought it was a cushy wage for the job - i was so wrong. Now, apart from enjoying the actual teaching part, i'm not financially able to make a big career change.
Fairy land buddy - not everyone has it the way you have it, and very few thinks the same way as you.

[minux]

Academy isn't free - and you can't really have a second job while you are there.
I think the pay is shit for what they do, so harden the **** up yourself and stop ridiculing everyone's opinions with your gospel of re-hashed internet statements. It's downright boring mate.

Maybe they want to be cops? nothing wrong with that. They enjoy it, they do it then realise the pay isn't matched to the job.
Hell when i started teaching i thought it was a cushy wage for the job - i was so wrong. Now, apart from enjoying the actual teaching part, i'm not financially able to make a big career change.
Fairy land buddy - not everyone has it the way you have it, and very few thinks the same way as you.

Academy isn't free? For who? Taxpayers? Not sure what you mean here, but recruits get paid to go through the police acadamy, unless this has changed at some point? Sure it may not be great wages, but nor is any job when your doing your training.

If you dont like what I have to say, why respond to it? Use a little smarts and ignore it just as I ignore 99% of the condesecending bullshit you type here all time.

[Grennan]

Academy isn't free? For who? Taxpayers? Not sure what you mean here, but recruits get paid to go through the police acadamy, unless this has changed at some point? Sure it may not be great wages, but nor is any job when your doing your training.

If you dont like what I have to say, why respond to it? Use a little smarts and ignore it just as I ignore 99% of the condesecending bullshit you type here all time.

From Victoria Police:

A recruit training salary is $35,791 per annum.

After graduation, the starting salary for a constable is $49,170 per annum. In addition, there are shift penalties and overtime payments available.

Annual increments are payable. Currently a constable can expect to be earning $54,732 per annum by their fourth year of service.

They also have a wide range of leave entitlements and other entitlements which are described here: Victoria Police - Conditions and entitlements

AFAIK they also get paid to go study, they will help pay for your courses as well as give you an allowance.

[vlv8vic]

Academy isn't free? For who? Taxpayers? Not sure what you mean here, but recruits get paid to go through the police acadamy, unless this has changed at some point? Sure it may not be great wages, but nor is any job when your doing your training.

If you dont like what I have to say, why respond to it? Use a little smarts and ignore it just as I ignore 99% of the condesecending bullshit you type here all time.

Yep they get paid, but if you were to live at the academy during training you'd be forking most of that back into living there. There wouldn't be much left, hence what i mean by it costing.

As far as smarts, i do tend to do the same as you and ignore 99% of the bullshit you peddle also. I just happen to have a bit of time to call it this week. Ah well - difference of opinion and smarts will lead to that hey.

[Grennan]

Yep they get paid, but if you were to live at the academy during training you'd be forking most of that back into living there. There wouldn't be much left, hence what i mean by it costing.

As far as smarts, i do tend to do the same as you and ignore 99% of the bullshit you peddle also. I just happen to have a bit of time to call it this week. Ah well - difference of opinion and smarts will lead to that hey.

If you were to be living at the academy, yeah it does cost 400 dollars a fortnight which covers everything, but if you have a spouse that earns less than 480 a week, you can get a 250 a fortnight allowance.

[redrags]

yeah so back to the story... WOOHOO!! lets all go do some burnouts free for all

[Calaber]

Thats 50k for a FRESH OUT OF THE ACADEMY Constable. As far as I can remember Victorian Probationary Constables are on about 44k.

It is widely known across Australia that not only are NSW police the best paid, but they have the best equipment and the best conditions.

Dead right Grennan. They get paid over $50k and have only their Academy training behind them. Many are just 19, with little experience in life, and are more of a burden than an asset to their commands for some months after their commencement. Annual increments in NSW progress their base (no shifts or overtime) salaries reasonably well and depending on where they end up being stationed, the allowances and penalties can boost salaries dramatically.

I am not suggesting for a minute that police in this state or any other are overpaid, but I believe that they are paid what the community can afford to pay them and that their salaries are far greater than many other government employees at a much earlier stage of their careers.

[Calaber]

i looked into joining the force recently and pay and conditions are worse than teaching. and teaching pay and conditions are shit.
Sure, the pay is better that many jobs, but when you break down what is actually done it's shit, like doing two jobs for the pay of one.

I can't comment on NSW teachers salaries as I have no knowledge of them at all. I think it's fair to say that teachers, like police, SHOULD be paid more, but their salaries represent what the community can afford. In this state, Police, teachers and nurses are the three most commonly referred to government employees when it comes to justifying state budgets and I think that all three careers are absolutely vital to a thriving, healthy and safe economy. Unfortunately, the golden goose of booming stamp duties has flown away (in this state at least) and there is no money tree to replace it. NSW squandered the opportunity to do something positive about this issue years ago.

[vlv8vic]

I can't comment on NSW teachers salaries as I have no knowledge of them at all. I think it's fair to say that teachers, like police, SHOULD be paid more, but their salaries represent what the community can afford. In this state, Police, teachers and nurses are the three most commonly referred to government employees when it comes to justifying state budgets and I think that all three careers are absolutely vital to a thriving, healthy and safe economy. Unfortunately, the golden goose of booming stamp duties has flown away (in this state at least) and there is no money tree to replace it. NSW squandered the opportunity to do something positive about this issue years ago.

Yeah i get that, and i don't mind my pay - it's better than many and i live from it comfortably. It's probably the conditions moreso. You can sit back and be a teacher - that parts easy. It's when you start taking up management roles that it becomes obvious. I'm lucky that we have a very large staff, it's a big school, but the bit that annoys me is that there are people sitting back on 70k doing basic teaching and others who want to actually make some kind of difference being loaded because it's assumed we want it and can handle it. I have a couple of coordinator roles, i don't get anything extra for doing it but i take them on to keep a foot in the door. Getting a permanent job around here is hard, and that's part of the condition problem. Admittedly i knocked back a permanent spot because of a health scare but there was no backup for that either. Sure, i could move to a new suburb of Melb or teach in one of the million crap schools east of geelong but they'd simple load someone else up like they do me.

I know that seems off topic but people tend to concentrate on the pay, when to me and many others conditions need work first and most of that is by careful restructuring which would cost very little to do. I'm sure the police force is similar.

[Cobez]

Academy isn't free? For who? Taxpayers? Not sure what you mean here, but recruits get paid to go through the police acadamy, unless this has changed at some point? Sure it may not be great wages, but nor is any job when your doing your training.

If you dont like what I have to say, why respond to it? Use a little smarts and ignore it just as I ignore 99% of the condesecending bullshit you type here all time.

Correct. My ex (still a good friend) officially became a Police officer about 3 months ago, she was getting $400 a week for academy training. Their pay goes up a fair bit once they become official officers (after induction / graduation).