Who the bloody hell bash's paramedics...

[VrWagz1]

Man charged over paramedic assault - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Sorry i dont have more info on this to read. But this particular paramedic who got his ribs broken only copped a beating not far from my house 2 or 3 days ago from a meth addict (made the front page of the local rag). Not only was he was bashed, 3 other ambo officers who attended the scene also got beaten and needed stitches. Thats just great now when i need them at my house, they will have to sit out the front now till police arrive to escort them in because it will be classed as a dangerous area now, mean while im inside dying.
What sort of a sad world are we coming to when ambo's called to help and are bashed at the scene for helping people
Also speaking to this ambo its not that uncommon for them to be threatened because junkies want their drugs out of the vans. I personally think they should be allowed to carry tazers and sedatives to knock these low lifes out and then they can just throw them out the back at the nearest cop shop.

[hwy747]

Couldn't agree more. It is sickening to think that people who are there to help others get set upon by lowlife scum. Same goes for people that attack cops and fireys!! It used to be worse a few years ago when the ambo's wore blue shirts like the cops, people would mistake them and attack them. Tazers for all!!

[faroogoo]

Be nice to see a violent attacker added to a banned list.

[minux]

I still stand by that paramedics etc SHOULD NOT be allowed to go and treat any drunk/drugged person.

[Robbo_c]

Yeah screw them,its their choice to do drugs let them die in a gutter.The ambos could be saving lives of people who are really sick,not some idiot who has brought it upon themself.

[And_ROOS]

I still stand by that paramedics etc SHOULD NOT be allowed to go and treat any drunk/drugged person.

Agreed, unless its a prescription drug gone wrong (accidental wrong dosage/bad reaction) if you do stupid shit on purpose suffer the consequences.

It would be horrible to think that the paramedics couldnt get to a family member having a heart attack because they are being checked out after a meth addict jumps them.

In the above case the meth addict should be tried for murder...

[Steery]

Yeah screw them,its their choice to do drugs let them die in a gutter.The ambos could be saving lives of people who are really sick,not some idiot who has brought it upon themself.

Utterly stupid comment. You can spurt bullshit like that about anything. Such as the following:

You shouldn't get treated by paramedics after a car accident, because you're stupid enough to drive a car, you brought it upon yourself.

[minux]

Utterly stupid comment. You can spurt bullshit like that about anything. Such as the following:

You shouldn't get treated by paramedics after a car accident, because you're stupid enough to drive a car, you brought it upon yourself.

Are you serious? You truly think driving a car and using illegal drugs to inebriate yourself is on the same level?

****, no wonder the government refuse to give you SA guys a drag strip.

[D-Man]

i think both

I still stand by that paramedics etc SHOULD NOT be allowed to go and treat any drunk/drugged person.

and

Yeah screw them,its their choice to do drugs let them die in a gutter.The ambos could be saving lives of people who are really sick,not some idiot who has brought it upon themself.

comments are stupid.

paramedics are there to help. in this case he was beaten up, OK bad shit happens to good people. no doubt it sucks. but he needed help and it was the drugs within his system that caused the bloke to go mad, im not making excuses for the bloke, he was stupiud enough to do the drugs so he should be punished for it, and rehab or whatever...

maybe paramedic education might be a help.. educating them to re-assess situations if it's bad maybe wait or calm down or whatever im not sure. had there been some sort of training maybe the paramedic wouldnt have helped seeing as it was dangerous or something,

also. paramedics have a DUTY TO HELP, there is no way around it, even an offduty paramedic has a duty. eg, did medical cert a few years back, when we finished and passed and what not we were told that by law we now have a duty to help where we can and if we dont are breaking the law and can be sued.** so saying that paramedics shouldnt help someone in need because they're druck is just pointless.

** now by no means am i saying that im a paramedic. no it was only a cert 3 first aid. what im pointing out is that i had a duty to help if it was applicable.

[gunsmoke]

Hmm tough call folks. But it does seen that good caring hard working people have to pay the price for the actions of those who are not so good. how do you really address that issue? If I gave you a squillion dollors and made you supreme king of Aust how can it really be solved?
Bottom line, more luck to the people who do good things, hope you come off best.

[minux]

comments are stupid.

paramedics are there to help. in this case he was beaten up, OK bad shit happens to good people. no doubt it sucks. but he needed help and it was the drugs within his system that caused the bloke to go mad, im not making excuses for the bloke, he was stupiud enough to do the drugs so he should be punished for it, and rehab or whatever...

maybe paramedic education might be a help.. educating them to re-assess situations if it's bad maybe wait or calm down or whatever im not sure. had there been some sort of training maybe the paramedic wouldnt have helped seeing as it was dangerous or something,

also. paramedics have a DUTY TO HELP, there is no way around it, even an offduty paramedic has a duty. eg, did medical cert a few years back, when we finished and passed and what not we were told that by law we now have a duty to help where we can and if we dont are breaking the law and can be sued.** so saying that paramedics shouldnt help someone in need because they're druck is just pointless.

** now by no means am i saying that im a paramedic. no it was only a cert 3 first aid. what im pointing out is that i had a duty to help if it was applicable.

lol, since when does doing a first aid course require you to provide a compulsory duty of care?

Also, why should we have to provide valuable paramedics to people who refuse to take care of themselves? Why should services be given to these people when there could be possible other cases to attend to where people havent deliberately ****ed themselves up?

Sorry but if you do not have any care for yourself, you should not be entitled to care from an ambulance or police service.

[WNTDVT]

Two of my uncles are MICA paramedics and the number of times they have been physically assaulted, mouthed off at, had objects thrown at them etc... is absolutely unbelievable. Most of the time it's when attending a heroin overdose and the patients friends don't want the paramedic anywhere near them, so begin to attack them. Obviously this is due to them being up to their eyeballs in the stuff and don't want their friend to die, so what's the most logical (sarcasm) thing they can do to prevent this from happening, attack the paramedic of course.

Also, a lot of the time when the overdose victim comes around after the Narcan has been administered, they will then go beserk at them as well.

After countless stories about various forms of overdose, I can confidently say that I have absolutely no sympathy for heroin users, at all. Paramedics should not be called to revive them when they overdose, because it all happens again a week later and the cycle continues until one time it's too late. These people continually cross the line by using the substance and most of the time an 'overdose' is not as the name would imply, most 'overdoses' occur when the user is taking the usual amount of the substance, it is simply due to other factors that the 'overdose' occurs (high risk of this). Heroin users know the risk and know that this sort of event happens very regularly.

In regard to medical attention for all drug/alcohol related issues, I don't believe users of 'lighter' substances should be refused treatment in the event of an overdose. Probably 99%+ of the time, the overdose isn't intentional and overdose rates for users of 'lighter' substances are much lower than those abusing hard substances (much less risky). A lot of the time, in the case of these 'lighter' substances, an overdose occurs not so much due to overuse, but rather due to other circumstances such as poor manufacturing. Just to note, these 'other circumstances' do differ to those 'other circumstances' that apply to heroin use.

This issue also applies to police officers attending such incidents as my old man has recounted some shocking stories also.

[MasterOfReality]

I reckon the derro/junkie problem in wollongong got worse when they put in that methodone clinic up near Picadilly. Can't even walk near that whole area without looking over your shoulder.

I used to live right near Cliff Road and there were a set of commission flats on Cliff Road, and the shit that I used to see living in there was unbelievable. The derro bitch that lived next to me was a ice addict and she used to go apeshit at least once a week, smashing stuff in her apartment. She was in our building because of a shortage of public housing.

They should herd all this scum up and pack them off out the back of the escarpment. The sooner they bump eachother off the better.

[Troy711]

Meth addict... should have let him OD

[Maci]

I still stand by that paramedics etc SHOULD NOT be allowed to go and treat any drunk/drugged person.

No "drunk person" should be treated?

so, if im at a bar, and i've had a few beers, and there's a fight and im hit accidentally with a piece of glass/fist/foot/body/chair (Whatever) and im injured, i dont get help? I dont think that solves anything.

back on topic, i think it sucks that he got attacked, but it really is the case of the good man always gets something bad he definately doesn't deserve.

[Robbo_c]

After a few beers your not complety wasted though are you?.I think he means drunk as in incredibly drunk like falling over and stuff.

[minux]

No "drunk person" should be treated?

so, if im at a bar, and i've had a few beers, and there's a fight and im hit accidentally with a piece of glass/fist/foot/body/chair (Whatever) and im injured, i dont get help? I dont think that solves anything.

back on topic, i think it sucks that he got attacked, but it really is the case of the good man always gets something bad he definately doesn't deserve.

I am talking someone who gets drunk then injures themselves while being inebriated. You have bought it upon yourself, why should you be treated? Much the same as obese people should not be entitled to free health care due to the majority making poor health decisions.

[D-Man]

Meth addict... should have let him OD

i know !!!! sif waste the meth on them!!.. just give them 56k internet and send them to the car guessing link...

they will /wrists themselves ! woo hoo ! hahaha

seriously. i agree let the bastard die there - junkies. but still as i said. the paramedic has a duty to help he was just doing his job, unfortunate he got bashed.

no wait. it's ****ed up he got bashed. but also as i said, bad things happen to good people.

[MikesCalais]

Much the same as obese people should not be entitled to free health care due to the majority making poor health decisions.

LOL.. im laughing because you cant be serious right? so that must have been a joke.......

anyway... Its unfortunate that paramedics do have to deal with situations like that... But unfortunatly it is a part of the job... and it has to be done.

Furthermore, If a paramedic was to leave someone to die because they refused to go treat them (drug addict or not) how do you think the public would act?

I think if paramedics are called out to a potentially dangerous job, police should have to be there as well.. I think they do something like that now anyway... but even then, if the ambulance gets there first, they have to treat the patient

Now... lets just say that paramedics could 'ignore' people who OD... whats the difference between a drug addict... and a teenager attempting to commit suicide... are they supposed to be left alone too because it's 'their choice'?

Being a paramedic, a doctor, a police officer, a nurse... etc etc... violence is always part of the job... your dealing with people at their most vulnerable points in life, and everyone acts differently when theyre vulnerable... some people welcome the help, others lash out....

And im not saying i have no sympathy or anything for paramedics... quite the opposite, i think theyre doing a great thing and i think its disgusting that they have to deal with violence from the people theyre trying to help, and i think paramedics, police officers, and mfb should be paid a hell of a lot more for putting their lives on the line for everyone else.

the end.

[cracker]

I still stand by that paramedics etc SHOULD NOT be allowed to go and treat any drunk/drugged person.

how are they meant to distinguish between someone who has been, given a roofie, or had g put in their drink and are ****ed off that?
are they to be treated as...oh well they look like they have been drinking way too much, let them be, they wanted this or flipped the coin and took the risk.

ambos are arnt there to judge if your in the wrong or right, they are there to help. and i very much doubt anyone set out to drink too much or to drug too much and end up in a state which the require attention. i think pretty much everyone at one point in their life has made the mistake of drinking or any other substance alittle too much and required some help.


think before you...type.

[minux]

LOL.. im laughing because you cant be serious right? so that must have been a joke.......

Hardly a joke, why should tax payers be forced to pay for the slobs who eat themselves into disease and illness? Give me one good reason why this should be allowed to happen?

how are they meant to distinguish between someone who has been, given a roofie, or had g put in their drink and are ****ed off that?
are they to be treated as...oh well they look like they have been drinking way too much, let them be, they wanted this or flipped the coin and took the risk.

ambos are arnt there to judge if your in the wrong or right, they are there to help. and i very much doubt anyone set out to drink too much or to drug too much and end up in a state which the require attention. i think pretty much everyone at one point in their life has made the mistake of drinking or any other substance alittle too much and required some help.


think before you...type.

They are there to help people who need help, junkies need help with a bullet, we should not have to waste resources helping these people who refuse to help themselves.

As for thinking before I type, just because I do not carry the same tree hugging hippy mentality of lets help everyone, does not mean I have not thought about what I have said. I'd much rather know a paramedic is available to help someone who has suffered a stroke or something instead of out helping some deadbeat scumbag who has overdosed again.

[Rob Patto]

There are some really good relevant comments here but there are quite a few piles of crap too......
What sane person could think that a paramedic would leave a person to die ?????
You must be joking when you suggest it would be fair to ask a paramedic to make a judgment call that would result in a persons death!!!
Judge, Jury and Executioner eh....
Might work if we bring the death sentence back in....could apply it in the case of immature wankers street racing and killing innocent motorists and pedestrians.....just let them sit in the wrecks of theirs and their victims cars till they die.....toss a match in maybe....
The logical result of this sort of behavior is that Ambo's will have to have security with them for all calls to the danger areas.....not really a big deal or hard to implement but the cost of service to those areas will obviously go up....a bit of a bugger for the 99% of well behaved people in the communities affected but such is life.
Get real those sanctimonious writers amongst you, whose poo probably doesn't stink, and try to come up with solutions not your pious preaching!

[Jaycee]

how are they meant to distinguish between someone who has been, given a roofie, or had g put in their drink and are ****ed off that?
are they to be treated as...oh well they look like they have been drinking way too much, let them be, they wanted this or flipped the coin and took the risk.

ambos are arnt there to judge if your in the wrong or right, they are there to help. and i very much doubt anyone set out to drink too much or to drug too much and end up in a state which the require attention. i think pretty much everyone at one point in their life has made the mistake of drinking or any other substance alittle too much and required some help.


think before you...type.

Well said, couldn't agree more!

[MikesCalais]

Hardly a joke, why should tax payers be forced to pay for the slobs who eat themselves into disease and illness? Give me one good reason why this should be allowed to happen?

1. Not all obese people are obese because they're "slobs" as you so eloquently put it.

2. Eating disorders are real psycholoigcal disorders. Just like those who are anoexic/belimic, theres also the other end of the spectrum.

3. Weight gain can be a result of depression or prolonged grief. But your right. Just tell them to harden the f up right... thatll make everything better....

4. Its not as if every overweight person gives up on themselves... many try VERY hard to lose weight, and many simply cant for a number of reasons. Attitudes like yours doesnt help anybody.

5. Isn;t Australia now the most obese country in the world? Ok... theres clearly a problem there... but lets not help it. Lets ignore it! right?

6. Not suprising how many fast food outlets there are on every single street paired with all the advertisments for fast food all day long. Remember those banana ads? (ba na na na naaaaaa na na na naaa make those bodies sing) instead its 'mcdonalds, now baking your favorite treats fresh daily!'

You know... People can change... Drug addicts can become clean, Obese people can lose weight... they need help though... not to be shuned or humiliated or discriminated against

lets just agree to disagree minux.... at least I can rest easy knowing that you're not in a position of power where you could change any of the laws relevant to any of these topics as well as others

And just out of curiosity... if you had your way... who would paramedics treat?

No drug addicts
No one under the influence of alcohol
No one speeding/running a red light
No one not wearing a seat belt
Not little timmy who was riding his bike without a helmet
Not the guy who fell off his roof because he didnt have the proper saftey equipment
No one with food allergies who eats a food their allergic too because they should have known better

Is there anything left?

by the way... i love how people say "why should tax payers pay for.." to make it sound so bad... hey... if everyone in this country was a perfect weight... we'd still all have to pay tax

[minux]

1. Not all obese people are obese because they're "slobs" as you so eloquently put it.

Your right, as I said earlier, the majority of obese people are obese due to their own doing. It seems every obesity thread we get the same people saying this, in Australia morbidly obese people with medical conditions are a minority. Only have to look at the last health study to see that.

2. Eating disorders are real psycholoigcal disorders. Just like those who are anoexic/belimic, theres also the other end of the spectrum.

While they might be psychological, it is their own actions that generally cause this, perhaps this is where friends of these people should step up and force them into some sort of counselling? If they refuse this, why should we help if they refuse to help themselves?

3. Weight gain can be a result of depression or prolonged grief. But your right. Just tell them to harden the f up right... thatll make everything better....

Your right, weight gain can be a result of this, I went through it myself, has taken the past 12 months to get myself to drop off the 40+kg that I have dropped. Funny thing is, I did harden the **** up and realised IT IS MY FAULT I WAS THAT WAY. Fairly sure the majority of tubbies in Australia could do well with the same attitude.

4. Its not as if every overweight person gives up on themselves... many try VERY hard to lose weight, and many simply cant for a number of reasons. Attitudes like yours doesnt help anybody.

The rare amount of medically obese in Australia who fall into the can't category could be exempt, however, many give up simply because IT IS TOO HARD, we are a society of if its too hard, forget it, you see it everyday from all walks of life. My attitude is probably one of the better out there, Darren who owns JC would back me up in saying I am very positive towards those who want to help themselves, I wont go into personal details here.

5. Isn;t Australia now the most obese country in the world? Ok... theres clearly a problem there... but lets not help it. Lets ignore it! right?

There is a problem, it is called LAZINESS. People are too lazy to exercise, people are too lazy to get up from the couch, people are too lazy to cook their own fresh healthy meals, people are too lazy to help themselves.

6. Not suprising how many fast food outlets there are on every single street paired with all the advertisments for fast food all day long. Remember those banana ads? (ba na na na naaaaaa na na na naaa make those bodies sing) instead its 'mcdonalds, now baking your favorite treats fresh daily!'

Ahh here we go again more excuses, where is the willpower? Thats too hard, lets just eat shit food because its there. Fast food chains can not be blamed for obesity, again, laziness and excuses can be.

You know... People can change... Drug addicts can become clean, Obese people can lose weight... they need help though... not to be shuned or humiliated or discriminated against

People can change, but until they want to help themselves, nothing will ever change them, sometimes humility and discrimination can work wonders.

lets just agree to disagree minux.... at least I can rest easy knowing that you're not in a position of power where you could change any of the laws relevant to any of these topics as well as others

Thats a bummer...although in the coming years with where I plan to go with my life, that certainly could change!

And just out of curiosity... if you had your way... who would paramedics treat?

No drug addicts
No one under the influence of alcohol
No one speeding/running a red light
No one not wearing a seat belt
Not little timmy who was riding his bike without a helmet
Not the guy who fell off his roof because he didnt have the proper saftey equipment
No one with food allergies who eats a food their allergic too because they should have known better

Is there anything left?

I have no problems with paramedics treating anyone, however, these people should have to pay full costs for the services without it affecting anyone elses life who happens to 1. abide by the law and not use illicit drugs, 2. Look after themselves, 3. Not be out smashed on alcohol every weekend and 4. Actually provide something to society instead of being drains. I do not get why its so hard to see my point of view, why should people who delibrately put themselves into harms way get benefits from taxpayers for this?

by the way... i love how people say "why should tax payers pay for.." to make it sound so bad... hey... if everyone in this country was a perfect weight... we'd still all have to pay tax

We would have to pay tax, but it could go into much more worthwhile areas such as Education, better hospitals, better conditions for police, ambo's fireys, teachers, heck it could even go into much better education on why drugs are bad, why alcohol is bad etc instead of pumping money into people that do nothing for society except drain it.