cars with roll cages

[Morton]

cos seriously, i don't get it. i was talking to a friend the other night and he's like i want a roll cage for my car cos its pretty fast and im all like you just spent $400 on swaybars. and he's like yeah so what and i'm like what's the point in having a roll cage and an anti roll bar. that's like using a humidifier and dehumidifier all at once.

[Lumps of cheese]

lol, nice pic.
Roll cages are for race cars.

[minux]

lol, nice pic.
Roll cages are for race cars.

Really? If you own a sub 11 second street car(this may be less now) you require a roll cage (half cage). Go faster again and the cage changes again. Not sure what the issue is, i'd rather see people ADD safety to their cars doing this then driving around in cars with illegal suspension/diffs/etc etc.

[Lumps of cheese]

Really? If you own a sub 11 second street car(this may be less now) you require a roll cage (half cage). Go faster again and the cage changes again. Not sure what the issue is, i'd rather see people ADD safety to their cars doing this then driving around in cars with illegal suspension/diffs/etc etc.

I certainly don't have an issue with adding safety. I know a bloke here that has one in his car, which is a stock 253 vh, and he said he got it cause it looked good. Even if it adds safety, to buy one for looks alone seems silly to me.

[minux]

I certainly don't have an issue with adding safety. I know a bloke here that has one in his car, which is a stock 253 vh, and he said he got it cause it looked good. Even if it adds safety, to buy one for looks alone seems silly to me.

Well yeah, thats just bogan

[gslrallysport]

If you think adding roll cage to road car is adding safety you're wrong. Roll cages are only safer when you've got harnesses to restraint you in a crush cell which no longer crushes, and a helmets to stop your heading being split open on it*. Roll cages also take away deformation so if you hit another car, the impact to their vehicle is far substantial compared to what it would be. I'm all for roll cages, and any one who's seen my rants on performanceforums.com will know just had pedantic about roll cages I am (you get that from throwing cars between trees sideways over blind crests at 190km/hr), but in a road car they are certainly not safer.

A half cage in a drag car, is acceptable, and has minus said, often a requirement, but a full cage in a road car is certainly NOT safer.

* Sorry pool noodle doesn't count as adequate protection. The proper FIA approved roll cage padding is rock hard, and designed to cushion the flow to helmets, not heads. There's no way you can protect a head against a roll cage impact in a side crash, without using a helmet.... point.

[ScoHar]

im confused once again, a sway bar/anti roll bar, isn't the opposite of a roll cage, i.e not the same as using a dehumidifier and a humidifier, if your mate has a go fast car and wants to get some good 1/4 numbers he's going to need a roll cage for under 11's I think (requiement) but road car its just wank factor again.

[shiftySLE]

Anti roll/sway bars are so the car does not have body roll, in cornering the car sways to the opposite side which offset the balance of a car and affects traction. A roll cage is just in case the car rolls over, it is safer in a cage than having panels smash into you from every angle. Roll cages are not for street use, they are for racing where the whole point is to go as fast as possible around corners. They are not the opposite of each other. The roll cage if any thing has a similar affect on the car as it creates a rigid cage that holds chassis together.

One last thing, if you are getting a roll cage just for looks, go buy a ricer, they have a lot more useless things you can spend you money on>

[FusionX]

If it's going to be street driven and do some track work I don't see why he wouldn't get a bolt in cage. Had one in a VY track car (full cage, CAMS approved), install or removal times was a bit under 2 hours. Mate has a half cage in a VH, ANDRA approved, takes just under an hour to remove/install.

[STEALTHY™]

Are cages even legal on the street? Last time i checked the dimensions for a 'legal' one on the street were so ****ed up your passenger would have to be the size of an A4 sheet of paper to make it legal.

[pow3rslave]

this thread has inspired me, i'm gonna go make a roll cage out of paper towel tubes.

[Stressball]

Are cages even legal on the street? Last time i checked the dimensions for a 'legal' one on the street were so ****ed up your passenger would have to be the size of an A4 sheet of paper to make it legal.

Dunno if that's an ADR or a state-law thing, but you can buy pre-fabricated cages up here in QLD that supposedly meet whichever standards it needs to to be streetable. The catch is, they don't meet CAMS regulations

[STEALTHY™]

well, for starters it had to be a certain amount away from the body. Even in a commodore there isn't alot of room next to the seat.

[GetToDaChopa]

this thread has inspired me, i'm gonna go make a roll cage out of paper towel tubes.

I'd do that if i had some paper tubes

[Cobez]

Well yeah, thats just bogan

I wouldn't even put bogans in the "buy one for looks" category. Bogans don't care if they look good

[Morton]

im confused once again, a sway bar/anti roll bar, isn't the opposite of a roll cage, i.e not the same as using a dehumidifier and a humidifier, if your mate has a go fast car and wants to get some good 1/4 numbers he's going to need a roll cage for under 11's I think (requiement) but road car its just wank factor again.

Anti roll/sway bars are so the car does not have body roll, in cornering the car sways to the opposite side which offset the balance of a car and affects traction. A roll cage is just in case the car rolls over, it is safer in a cage than having panels smash into you from every angle. Roll cages are not for street use, they are for racing where the whole point is to go as fast as possible around corners. They are not the opposite of each other. The roll cage if any thing has a similar affect on the car as it creates a rigid cage that holds chassis together.

y'all postin in a troll thread

[Holdens Rule]

cos seriously, i don't get it. i was talking to a friend the other night and he's like i want a roll cage for my car cos its pretty fast and im all like you just spent $400 on swaybars. and he's like yeah so what and i'm like what's the point in having a roll cage and an anti roll bar. that's like using a humidifier and dehumidifier all at once.

and I'm like and he's like and I'm like. Don't mean to take the piss out of you but that cracked me up.

[shiftySLE]

y'all postin in a troll thread

like whats a troll thread like, does that mean like you have like no idea like?

[Hunter SS]

i saw a roll bar made up of swimming pool noodles... the guy also made a bullbar out of them... all flouro colours... looked funny as!

[Jecs]

[shiftySLE]

I take it it means s**t-talkers wasting time on forums coz they have no life!! I'll assume that what it is anyway!

[crazyspoon05]

this thread has inspired me, i'm gonna go make a roll cage out of paper towel tubes.

We made one out of our broken Kmart marquee frame at Bathurst one year and put it in the hire car....

[Bax]

I have seen one photo of a car that was majorly written off that had a cage, and I can say that without the cage the driver would be gone.

How exactly does it remove the crumple zones? Isn't a sign of a safe car in an impact to keep the passenger zone in tact where everything else crumples and the door is still openable and in tact? I don't see how a cage would neglect it too much.

Agreed though, without good seats and harnesses and helmets they're pretty dangerous for the head. But I'd still say they'd do a better job at keeping the car in tact then not having one.

[STEALTHY™]

As has already been mentioned. They ARE safer......for your car.

Have a crash with another car, and that car will be worse off.

[acarmody]

As has already been mentioned. They ARE safer......for your car.

Have a crash with another car, and that car will be worse off.

Sigh, shouldn't of said that, now everybody will get one. Everybody only cares about number one these days. Kinda like people who buys a 4WD because it keeps them safe, the other person is screwed but hey, who cares. BTW I know 4WD aren't always safer.