Anger management

[M01ST]

Hey guys,

The other night my sister was involved in an accident 5 minutes ofter leaving my gfs house, result of both cars written off.
She rang me hysterical so I ran down stairs with my gf and mates jumped in a car and got there in record time.
When my sister was in the ambo(with neckbrace on and told not to move, she was still crying) a cop asked her to blow on the breatho. She did a piss weak breathe and he said to her if she doesnt start cooperate he will take her to court.
I witnessed all this and said to the copper "look mate give her a break shes in pain and just written her car off". His reply was "sir please step away and stop interfering in a private investigation", I said to him "well stop being an arse to her shes written her bloody car off mate and she sitting in a ambulance hysterical unable to move and never been breathod before so she didn't know how to". He then started writing in his little pad and then instructed me if I said another word I would be arrested and have to do anger management courses. My reply was "I dont really find that fair if it was your sister you would do the same" Then he said thats it your under arrest, cuffed me and served with this anger management bullshit.

I dont find this very fair, Can he do this???

[acarmody]

I don't know if a cop can do that or if a magistrate has to enforce it. But mate seriously you should of backed away. Now before you get angry with me I completely understand why you did what you did, and I can't guarantee I wouldn't of done and said the same. But seriously if a cop gives you a directive you lawfully have to obey it, and if you don't they can arrest you.

[M01ST]

Not angry with you mate I wrote up for advice and half expected replys like that but funny thing was I was sitting in ambo waiting to goto the hospital and he came in and yer I was gunna ask him how the **** can i step away when im sitting and your standing infront of me. Im gunna goto the copshop at lucnh and ask em.

[acarmody]

Whoa you were in ambo and cop approached, ok thats screwed up.

I don't know what good going to cop shop will do, but if you do then see if you can talk to his sergent. Try and explain situation and that you were understandably under a bit of stress, or if you can't get sergent then talk to the officer. Don't forget every officer in the station will defend every other officer there, so talking down about officer will result in nothing.

Alternatively talk to your local motoring club (RACQ up here in QLD, RACV in Vic I think, etc) if your a member, ask them for advice on where you can go with this. Most motoring clubs offer free legal advice.

Just remember that the cop was just doing his job when asking for breatho, he has to take that reading. He was rude I understand but he does have a tough job and he probably thought you were some tool who was going to cause trouble (even though that probably wasn't your intention), so if you can talk to him then try to make him understand that you had no intention of being rude and that you were just a bit stressed out and being defensive of your sister.

[rydogz]

Hey guys,

The other night my sister was involved in an accident 5 minutes ofter leaving my gfs house, result of both cars written off.
She rang me hysterical so I ran down stairs with my gf and mates jumped in a car and got there in record time.
When my sister was in the ambo(with neckbrace on and told not to move, she was still crying) a cop asked her to blow on the breatho. She did a piss weak breathe and he said to her if she doesnt start cooperate he will take her to court.
I witnessed all this and said to the copper "look mate give her a break shes in pain and just written her car off". His reply was "sir please step away and stop interfering in a private investigation", I said to him "well stop being an arse to her shes written her bloody car off mate and she sitting in a ambulance hysterical unable to move and never been breathod before so she didn't know how to". He then started writing in his little pad and then instructed me if I said another word I would be arrested and have to do anger management courses. My reply was "I dont really find that fair if it was your sister you would do the same" Then he said thats it your under arrest, cuffed me and served with this anger management bullshit.

I dont find this very fair, Can he do this???

I'd run that by my lawyer personally fck him. Me or dad would of done the same but I might of let my sister attempt twice a few times but either way I know where your coming from.

If you complain personally make sure its in writting so they have to respond in some way.

Good luck mate.

[nemesis_adrasteia]

Yeah seems a bit unfair to me mate, though he probably got the wrong impression as acarmody said, also I would assume he is allowed to do arrest you for the because wouldn't have if he wasn't, not sure about anger managment tho I would have though you would have justt got a warning or something

[acarmody]

I'd run that by my lawyer personally fck him. Me or dad would of done the same but I might of let my sister attempt twice a few times but either way I know where your coming from.

If you complain personally make sure its in writting so they have to respond in some way.

Good luck mate.

If by 'fck him' you mean take a personal case against HIM, then that is stupid advice. He has the bank account of the police force behind him, as well as some very good lawyers. Besides you would lose, as you legally have to obey a direct order from a police officer.

But everything else you said is true, a few attempts would of been better. And a written complaint is best. Just make sure it is delivered, personally is best. Otherwise it may get 'lost' in the postal system.

[acarmody]

Yeah seems a bit unfair to me mate, though he probably got the wrong impression as acarmody said, also I would assume he is allowed to do arrest you for the because wouldn't have if he wasn't, not sure about anger managment tho I would have though you would have justt got a warning or something

Yeah I'm still not sure that a cop can order you to attend anger management courses. I thought magistrates did that. I could have understood it if he had handcuffed you or something but this is just plain weird.

As a last resort you should be able to contest this in a magistrate's court, should be something on the notice or whatever the cop gave you.

[Lumps of cheese]

Well he gave you an order to back off so you should've just did what he said, regardless of the situation. He is required to get a breath test straight after an accident so he's only doing his job. I would just go to the station and explain the situation and apologise to the officer involved, nothing to be gained by making a song and dance about it. Plus, hope your sister is ok, that's the main thing after all.

[Cobez]

True ^^^ Not running you down here dude, but yeah, generally if an officer gives you an instruction, it's best to follow it. They ARE required to breatho people involved in accidents ASAP after the accident to see whether alcohol is involved etc, the longer they leave it, the weaker the alcohol reading will be. They need to get it done ASAP to see whether the person was over or under the limit.

I a close buddy of mine was breatho'd one night was over the limit, they took him to the cop shop, on the second test, he was under, then they re did the test 3 times and was under. They had to let him go. Stupid really, they should have charged him. But as you can see, that short trip to the cop shop was enough for his blood alcohol level to drop.

[Tom_1569]

Probably would have been easier to step away, but if that was my sister I would have done the same thing, except resisted arrest
The coppa sounds like her had a problem, fair enough its his job to breath test people at a MVA, but she would have a blood test when she got to hospital any way, which would be far more accurate then his little machine anyway.
Anyways, Anger management and shrinks etc are awesome fun, just go in there and **** with them. You'll have the best laugh when you walk out and you fill there heads with absolute shit.

[SAV_117]

Fair enough if the copper needs to get it done but if he is going to be a complete wanker about it than **** him its called ****ing manners i would have done the same as you man good luck with it

[GetToDaChopa]

If the cop has issues and you saw that he did, it wasn't a good idea to keep talking. I even think that you were yelling at him, so he got even more pissed and that's what you get.

.... Having said that the cop could have been more professional in this situation.

[SAV_117]

mate if the cop is being a prick seriously think about it shes just had a car accident all he is doing is standing up for sis

[Lumps of cheese]

mate if the cop is being a prick seriously think about it shes just had a car accident all he is doing is standing up for sis

And all the police are doing is their job.
Whilst the cop may have been a bit over the top, i wasn't there so i don't know, you still need to give them the time to do the job that's required of them. Getting up in his face isn't helping anyone but that seems to be peoples ways of solving things these days.

[Julie]

I don't really see a problem with what the officer did, it was just his job. If your sister was in such a bad way I am sure the ambulance officers would not have allowed the breath test and blood samples would be taken at hospital. Fact is she was ok enough to call you then she was probably more than ok to blow in a straw. Calling a copper an arse is never a good idea lol probably best to butt out and not interfere next time, hopefully there won't be a next time

[SAV_117]

And all the police are doing is their job.
Whilst the cop may have been a bit over the top, i wasn't there so i don't know, you still need to give them the time to do the job that's required of them. Getting up in his face isn't helping anyone but that seems to be peoples ways of solving things these days.

he can do his job just as long as his not an arse about it

[SAV_117]

I don't really see a problem with what the officer did, it was just his job. If your sister was in such a bad way I am sure the ambulance officers would not have allowed the breath test and blood samples would be taken at hospital. Fact is she was ok enough to call you then she was probably more than ok to blow in a straw. Calling a copper an arse is never a good idea lol probably best to butt out and not interfere next time, hopefully there won't be a next time

people cope with situations different to others

[Ado]

No cop can order you to anger management,what a load of crap.

[elemeNtz]

Fairly sure you wouldn't have been so courteous. Respect the cops authority and do as he says. Have an issue; ask for his badge number and make a complaint

[excalibur]

like what most have already said go to the police station apoligize to the officer and just explain you were in stressed situation. It might just save you a court appearance

[ClairBear]

As stated already, this Officer was doing his duty. I am sure the Paramedic would not have allowed her to perform a breathaliser test if it was deemed she was unfit. The OP states his sister was hysterical which is understandable but no reason to not submit to a test. Clearly the sister was not so injured as to render her incapable, as she made a phone call to her brother.

As always, there are 3 sides to every story. His side, the officers side and the truth. Here we are being told the side of a person who feels wronged at being asked to step away by an Officer because he was obstructing him doing his duty.

Lesson learned - do as you are told so that everyone can get their job done effectively and efficiently.

[1991_Vn2nV]

Fair enough if the copper needs to get it done but if he is going to be a complete wanker about it than **** him its called ****ing manners i would have done the same as you man good luck with it

How is the officer a complete wanker? Also, atleast the officer did say please, so how about people use manners when speaking to the police, instead of demanding the other way around. According to the OP, the officer said:

"sir please step away and stop interfering in a private investigation"

And the OP followed that with:
"well stop being an arse"

And the officer is the wanker? How about show some respect to authority figures and let the officer do his job.

[greenfoam]

You can just say you were under stress and get out of that I reckon

[M01ST]

Cheers guys, I actually got a phone call from the officer yesterday at work. He admitted he also was under stress, and told me he had already ripped up the paperwork. So all is good, he asked me how my sister was and we had a lovely conversation about car crashes haha.