The Lion will never Die!
Are V8's still sought after or what?
It seems everyone has forgotten about the real meaning to modifying a car, does anyone these days actually bother to learn how an engine works or is it all about the visual looks and doing up a V6 and saying ahh this will do. I get stared at on the road as if I'm driving a drag car just because i have a loud V8. Is the Commodore community going soft, CAI, chip tunes and exhaust doesn't signify a hot car. The true meaning of a hot car is an engine that has been worked and modifications that actually do something, shift kits are not complete without stalls, stalls are needed for cams, cams are needed for extra revs, pistons are needed to handle extra revs, compression, ratios, does this mean anything to anyone anymore. Maybe it is just too easy to go and have a diagnosis done on the car instead of trying to work out the logical side of why and how things affect a car. Maybe its true, the new wave of car buffs is more interested in big rims, tachos and not increasing power but just retuning the computer to make it feel like it has more power.
Ahhh I feel better now.
The Lion will never Die!
Oh and one more thing, I am not against visual mods, I enjoy it also but not when thats the only mods that get done, in my opinion, thats just another ricer on the road. All look, no go!
what does the title have to do with the topic?
The Lion will never Die!
the fact that having a V8 and working on it was the ultimate not even 10 years ago, now it is just stock V6's and visual mods, even the ricers could beat these cars, at least they are spending dollars on turbos. (I cant believe i just gave turbo 4's a compliment)
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New laws is the problem. The next wave of car buffs are not allowed to perform performance mods, so visual it is.
CHEMICALLY SUPERCHARGED
im with you shifty , and to make it worse everyone with a ls1 thats got a maffless tune thinks thats the only thing you can do to them lol i just spent $18,000 building an ls1 and i done it old school way race bearings forged pistons,port and polish heads the list goes on , but at least i know its not a stocky and it will take a beating all day everyday
{H1GHROLLR} CHEMICALLY SUPERCHARGED A.K.A NITROUS FED R8 CLUBBY and {HYPED UP} TWIN TURBO VX SS DAILY
Moderator Puppeh
Obviously people have a different interpretation of what a 'modified' car should be. True story...
CHEMICALLY SUPERCHARGED
totally agree with that mate its too hard to have a N/A car that just lumps over any more its not worth all the drama's with emmisions laws etcOriginally Posted by AirStrike
{H1GHROLLR} CHEMICALLY SUPERCHARGED A.K.A NITROUS FED R8 CLUBBY and {HYPED UP} TWIN TURBO VX SS DAILY
The Lion will never Die!
yeah, Ive seen all the P-platers whinge and complain, I would too, does that mean that everyone on the forum is 18-22.
now i gotcha.
new laws are the problem but thats just a part of life.
do other countrys have theese laws or is it just australia.
The Lion will never Die!
Ok, what about project cars, instead of spending $1000's on paint jobs, why not drive a neat streetcar and do up a car that you will be able to drive, P-Plates may seem like a life time but seriously, 3 or 4 years, any real car buff knows it could take 5 or 10 years to get a proper car built, be it perfecting it, money related or just finding the right set-up.
Site Administrator
Well which one is it? You spoke about the new wave of car buffs which is what I commented on, now your talking the whole modified car scene.
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Money is also the problem, in this day and age by time you pay a mortage, bills, put fuel in your car, pay rediculus rego/insurance fees, put food on the table and clothes on your back who has much left for doing full house rebuilds?
The Lion will never Die!
I did say new wave, I didn't say P-platers and I do agree they have crappy rules to abide by. I know quite a few people who are just starting to do up cars, they are not P-platers, I hate when they talk about CAI and stuff, power gains of 2-3 kw at a time is what i am talking about, try for 30-40 at a time, head work and cams and internals.
I also agree that money is a problem, everything you mentioned i am doing, plus a few extras that cost a lot more. I'm not saying don't pay your house mortgage and buy a supercharger, its the overall appreciation of how cars work that is dying. If you really wanted a hor car, stop with the useless mods, the money is there as you can see from all the paint jobs, wheel packages and aesthetic add ons
LS-EXUAL
Why does it bother you so much? As long as you are interested in doing your engine mods the right way then what's the big deal? As has been said, new P plate laws stop youngens from doing alot (if any) performance mods, not to mention all the "hoon" talk in the media is giving it all a somewhat negative spin on the car scene, and with the way interest rates etc are going, people can't afford to juggle mortgages, children, bills etc AS WELL as pulling engines apart for cams, pistons etc.
I know that's what stopping me from throw a stroker kit and cam in my Senator. It's either i use my $20k savings and waste it on something that will have no real re-sale value, i'll get bored with in a few months and need to spend more cash on to make go even quicker, and will have the cops keeping a firm watch on me, or i use my $20k savings, keeping adding and adding and putting it together with my missus $30k savings, and we buy a house so we have a roof over our heads for the rest of our lives.
No competition really, i'd sooner sell my V8 and choose to have a house for life than throw money at something that won't really appreciate in value and i'll be bored of in a few months and will sometimes cause me grief with police from noise etc.
I think alot of the "new wave" as you say, have realised police are taking the hard line with modified cars now (rightly so too) due to the sheer amount of tools on our roads, and figure bugger it, i'll make my car LOOK how i want it to and not bother with engine mods that are gonna attract attention to my myself / car.
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I would rather have my house paid off by time I am forty then have a car with 30kw more and be paying till im sixty.
The Lion will never Die!
It doesn't bother me that much, I'm just staring a conversation, yes i also am in the house kids and two cars and whatever else people think makes it so hard, that's called life, it surely doesn't get easier. Your comment is the same as saying that you wont ever go on a holiday until your house is paid off, no probs, but if you weigh up the cost of these visual mods compared to engine work, its not that different, in some cases even cheaper.
And after doing so many cars, a neat street car without all the bells and whistles gets a lot less attention than cutom painted 20" chrome wheels car full of add ons. As long as it is driven safely.
The Lion will never Die!
Same, that why I've done over 100 hours work a week. If you really want to get ahead, you'd be looking at the first or second investment property too by that age, but it doesn't mean that if you really want something you have to go without.
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So you have a house paid off, investment properties and money to spend on your car and your kids don't know who you are, sounds good!
Turbo L98 FTW
Well here i go. I focused ENTIRELY on aesthetics with my ute pretty much turning it into a giant rice bucket - why you might ask? Because although my ute lives at around the 160-70kw mark, it still rips skids, goes sideways AND does double the speed limit. WHY would i want it to go any faster?
Admittedly it does have rockers, a full exhaust and a CAI, but the rockers were free, extractors were free, the cai was about $10 and exhaust was maybe $600.
Maybe people are just waking up to themselves - why have a car with $40K worth of mods when i could have a nice car and a house?
LS-EXUAL
It doesn't make it hard, it can be done, i could do it, i just choose not to as it will take me longer to pay off a house etc, why prolong debt? My way of doing things, is if i say buy a TV for example (which i just have), on interest free terms, is to pay it off ASAP at all costs. I just bought a 37" LCD on interest free terms about 3 weeks ago, i have half the total price of the television itself ready to be paid onto it as soon as i get my first statement.
I just look at items etc when i buy them on interest free terms for example, as they don't belong to me yet, and i want it to belong to me ASAP so i pay it off ASAP. My point? When myself and the missus buy our place, we want to hammer the shit out of whatever we borrow so the house is OURS quicker. Stroking the engine in my Senator, doing the trans, diff, suspension etc will cost in excess of $12,000, and i see that as $12,000 i could have paid off my home loan.
I don't even bother with visual mods anymore, a car that's pleasing to the eye for ME, is a car (HSV, HDT whatever) that's original looking, immaculately presented, straight and clean paint. Takes more effort to maintain an original car, than throw money at a car doing it up with visual mods.
The Lion will never Die!
No, I haven't paid my house off, I have a better relationship with my kids than a hell of a lot of people and if you got up on the wrong side of bed and just want to have a go and get all worked up just because I have an opinion on something and who is not scared of hard work, you obviously don't understand where I am coming from. My point is if you want something, you can have it, I don't put anything in the too hard basket.
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I work on average 50-60hrs a week, for you to work 100hrs a week that would be 14hrs a day 7 days a week. When do you spend time with your family?
The Lion will never Die!
I didnt say i was doing it now, I have cut back as the kids are now 2 and 3 and the missus could use the help, when i was doing it, it was 30 hr straight shift driving a truck, home for 5 hours and back for 15 hours home for maybe a couple of hours and so on. Yes it was 7 days, I think the longest was 2 months without a day off and that in itself did pay off a very large chunk of the loan, in 2 months. Sounds like you are thinking too much about house loans, its not that big a deal. But my lifestyle isnt waht i am talking about, its the fact that I am not the only one who thinks this way, look the the Ricer of the day thread.
Stock ss looks good enough and goes well enough as it is for our over policed roads, not into the drags. So why bother
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