Perpetual Magnetic Fuelless Motor

[azza77]

Doing a little bit of research into these 'motors' and have come across a very interesting video here. For those of you who have no clue what im on about its a motor that never stops going, it is powered by nothing (except magnets) and continually keeps going without effort. Very interesting an plays a little ticker on your mind if you think of the possibilities. Continual free energy, could link it to free desalination processing, no fuel would never be needed ever again, for anything, it would basically turn the world upside down. The possibilities are endless. But in saying that, considering one of the main providers of the countries funds are from coal mining, we would basically be f*cked. The bloke sounds genuine on his invention too, would like to make one myself and see how it goes. Although for some reasons i dont think i could make one to power the commodore. hehe. From what ive heard the theory has been around since 1200A.D. but until now i dont know if anyone has got it to work. I know a company called cycclone had one that appeared to work and actually where going to go into mainstream production but where pulled up for some reason and taken to court. Weather it work or not? no idea.

Just a thought on him having to pull that magnet away all the time, why doesnt he make some kind of guide rail system and use the wheel as a cam for example to push the magnet away at the right time? Or even besides that, how about he gets a series of wheels (say, 4) all side by side but glued together with a plastic rod, with a couple of inch gap, and where the outer handheld 'power' magnet sits that was in his hand, have it stationary fixed in the one spot. Then where the bulk of magnets are on the wheels, have say wheel 1 and 3 bulk magnets face forward and 2 and 4 facing backwards so when it does a full rotation they will work in sync with each other to power them selves along. Hope that made sense.

Whats everyone's thoughts? Sh*t or quite a good idea?

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

What's it like under load though? It's OK when it's free spinning like that, but attach it to a drive shaft and get it to do some work.

[Jesterarts]

I think the only issue with it would be a lack of torque starting up.

In theory, a few of these in series driving one shaft could work.

The way I see it is the motor would start and need to get to its peak rpm before the power for it would be usable.

The ither issue is, if the motor relies on the magnets attraction to metal, if would be difficult to make a vehicle to put it in.

That setup relies very heavily on Inertia and not the power of the magnets. So the output power would be from the inertia from the flywheel rather than the strength of the magnets.

Thus why I said for it to be usable it would require the engine to be spinning at its peak rpm before attempting to use its ouput power for anything.

In theory, it could work. in the real world there would be alot of hurdles i would anticipate.

Having said that, if might be efficient in powerplant applications, where the inertia from the flywheel would be used to general electricity similar to a water turbine just using magnetic forces instead of water.

Interesting either way.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Similar to the perpetual energy experiment. You have a generator driving a motor, the motor drives the generator which in turn powers the motor, but as soon as any more load is applied the generator bogs down and can't run both the motor and any other appliance.

[Philthy]

its a motor that never stops going, it is powered by nothing (except magnets) and continually keeps going without effort

This is what has lost me.
I've done a lot of reading into perpetual energy and it is quite simply not going to happen any time in the near future

[vlv8vic]

energy is still lost to heat and noise, if it is to drive something external to the device then it isn't perpetual energy anyway.

Not in our lifetime.

[wamboin23]

energy is still lost to heat and noise, if it is to drive something external to the device then it isn't perpetual energy anyway.

Not in our lifetime.

too right. when energy is converted there is always a loss.

reminds me of a guy at work, who was convinced that if he connected an inverter to a battery, then a battery charger to the inverter to charge the battery, he'd be able to use 240 volts in a caravan forever. he had to actually set it all up and test it before he believed us. and he's a qualified Auto Elec.

[Philthy]

energy is still lost to heat and noise, if it is to drive something external to the device then it isn't perpetual energy anyway.

Not in our lifetime.

Exactly true. Nothing is 100% efficient, there is always energy lost SOMEWHERE

[azza77]

hmm was deffinatley something that caught they eye. I think taken into a little more research and perhaps using a magnetic liquid in a circular motion speed up to extremely fast speeds with alternating energy spots like what he had in his hands on the outsides of the circle it would make efficient endless energy to power a turbine. Perhaps thats heading more down the path of anti gravity but still a similar concept... Suppose someones probably beat me to the idea in alot more scientific terms.

[azza77]

damn, just seen pretty much that exact same idea on youtube...
YouTube - The Secret to Anti-Gravity REVEALED!

[michaelw]

Sorry never going to happen, not in this universe anyway.

From the last "magic machine post"

I give you "Mike's Scientific Bullshit Detector"

1)Patents are awarded for unique ideas NOT unique ideas that work (VERY IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE)

2)If you have to redifine physics to make your idea work it is probably wrong. WHY? Scientists are some of the biggest egomanics around and the idea of knocking Einstein off his perch is one of the greatest prizes out there.

3) Be very weary of someone who lists their tile in a publication. People should be judged by their works NOT their title (So says MichaelW Ph.D.)

4) If it breaks any of the laws of thermodynamics it is usualy bunk (nice way of saying bullshit). The problem is that us pointy hats lock our laws up in arcne language and make them inaccesible to the genral public (why? egos). And trust me on this one, when one of these laws is broken (even for milliseconds in a lab on micron scale) people make a big deal out of it.

So a summary of the laws of thermodyanmics. ripped from Irregular Webcomic! #431

The First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy is conserved. Since you can't get something for nothing: You can't win.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics You can't break even. (everything falls appart. MW)

The Third Law of Thermodynamics states You can't get out of the game.
Our water car breaks #1 we have a closed system (the car) but energy is comming out (kinetic in motion)

So as the physics in an idea are bunk, they will claim that a)all visionaries were ignored (skipping the fact that almost all wackos were also ignored with the exception of a few embarrasing cases)

b)some sort of government cover-up.

c)some oil company cover-up.

Mike

[cracker]

you cant create free energy, you can break even you can only lose.

poor torque, requires energy to start it, eg magnet dipping up and down
your not going to create free energy with magnets.

also to behonest that guy doesnt sound like he knows what his talking about, studying electrotechnology at tafe ( to become a sparky) and it covers alot about electromagnetism, magnets, magnet fields strengths loses etc etc

[Tsunamix]

TANSTAAFL
There aint no such thing as a free lunch.

For the system to remain in perpetual motion, energy needs to be applied to start it. Then there must be zero losses of energy. No Hysteris, thermal, sonic, electromagnetic or radiative losses at all.

Even so, the maximum energy you could get out of it, is exactly what you put into it. If you only put 1kw into it, the maximum you can get out is 1 kw - and thats with zero losses.

[pow3rslave]

damn, just seen pretty much that exact same idea on youtube...
YouTube - The Secret to Anti-Gravity REVEALED!

omfg i love this stuff, wikipedia nazi moon base and hollow earth theory. there's some whacky stuff out there

[Jesterarts]

YouTube - DIY Anti Gravity Machine

YouTube - DIY Anti Gravity Machine Continued

He saw this work in his dream...

That anti-gravity video is a goldmine of further laughter... brilliant!

[azza77]

equal and opposites reaction etc, would be pretty f*ckin cool though. Back to real life Einstein theories... BTW, there is a such thing as free energy. Go to bunnings and buy a 50 meter extension cable and find your neighbours outdoor power point. O wait, you still have to pay for the cable, well maybe steal that out of your neighbours shed then its free energy. But dont get caught cause that just defeats the purpose, then it REALLY! wont be free energy. Case settled, i win, you all suck and have absolutely no idea on free energy. haha.

[JBDrifter]

Magnets lose their magnetic charge over time naturally, and other factors cause them to lose their charge quicker like heat, friction and impacts.

[azza77]

Magnets lose their magnetic charge over time naturally, and other factors cause them to lose their charge quicker like heat, friction and impacts.

so ive been reading. From what ive gathered the only reason why it wouldnt work is the amount of energy used from the magnets would be the same as the energy produced (no brainer), and magnetic rock is not a cheap source of fuel, not in a long shot... What failed to my knowledge when i seen the video is that i didnt know magnets lost there energy overtime. Found out after some good reading last night...

[cracker]

TANSTAAFL
There aint no such thing as a free lunch.

For the system to remain in perpetual motion, energy needs to be applied to start it. Then there must be zero losses of energy. No Hysteris, thermal, sonic, electromagnetic or radiative losses at all.

Even so, the maximum energy you could get out of it, is exactly what you put into it. If you only put 1kw into it, the maximum you can get out is 1 kw - and thats with zero losses.

agreed, there is lots of theories out there, but as above u need to be able to over come the above factors.
the idea of perpetual motion is a great idea and very very intresting to read about but cant see it happing anytime soon.
as far as a free lunch...solar is about the only one i can see, also wind but ur still getting your usall losses, copper losses etc etc

[vnkid]

i always thought energy cant be 'lost', it can only be transferred to less meaningful forms such as sound and heat. in the end the energy has to go somewhere, its never continuous.

[Philthy]

i always thought energy cant be 'lost', it can only be transferred to less meaningful forms such as sound and heat. in the end the energy has to go somewhere, its never continuous.

Well by "lost" we mean it is no longer in the closed system. As you said, it is transferred to sound, heat, etc but the point is that it doesn't all stay in the system to produce power

[Garth]

i always thought energy cant be 'lost', it can only be transferred to less meaningful forms such as sound and heat. in the end the energy has to go somewhere, its never continuous.

you loose engery in the form of a "loss" cause electrical equipment isnt 100% efficiant.

a example of a loss would be the heat generated by a motor when it's used. or the sound of a vsd. in a car a loss would be the heat and exhaust produced.


i remember talking about this perpetual motion thing at tafe, dont think they would have a magnet strong enough to create the force required to turn the rotor. but that was 8 yrs ago, and technology has changed since then. will be interesting to see what happens.