not happy

[TI3VOM]

Today I got a set of Pacemaker extractors for my vt v6 commodore when I was in the shop paying for them I asked the questions do they need a gasket for the manifold I was told no and do they bolt straight up as I have not done this before and did not know I was told yes got home and realised that I need to cut and weld the Y piece for it to fit on as you can imagine I was ready to
I went with the pacemakers for that reason wich now I think about it really bugs me cause I paid $737 for them and I could of got DiFillipos for $795 probably wold have talked the DiFillipos down a bit more and they have a 10 year warranty as apposed to a 2 year
when I went back down to and asked them if they need to be welded on they said yes then I said that you told me that they would bolt straight on they said "oh well it's pretty much bolt on for us cause we have a welder and an angle grinder" that's when I sad but you told me it was a bolt on kit then silence fell I wanted to get the regional managers phone number but for some reason I did not I possibly might get it tommorow.
I work in retail and that is faulse advertisement by them saying that it will do something it does not companys can get done bigtime doing that by the ACCC and alike so we will see how this plays out what do you guys think.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

It comes down to your definition of "bolt on" and theirs.

If you went for Pacemakers for that reason, then you can't have done much research. Their site has full fitting instructions for their extractors, and they say that cutting and welding is required.

Pacemakers are over priced for what they are IMO. You can get a set of bolt on (I do mean bolt on, no welding required) extractors for under $400 for a VT V6. I know because I sell them.

[TI3VOM]

That may be true that I did not reasearch all the information on installation for that particular header and I am not going to do that for all the brands that I have been told about.
They're definition of bolt up should specify YOU NEED TO CUT THE Y PIECE AND THEN WELD THE FLANGE TO IT like gentec said to me with the Difillapos
I just went on the pacemaker website and it says nothing about welding anything
that is for the 5059 model that I got so dont try to say this is my fault because I did not check the website that does not specify I need to do that what they told me is wrong they are at fault.
What brand are the headers that you sell for under $400 I might be interested.

[gunsy]

just wondering who do make extractors that bolt strait on to the v6, and where bouts do they bolt on? do they come with a y peice and new cat?

[TI3VOM]

I take it that you are being sarcastic I dont know that is why I asked that question in the first place IF THEY HAD TOLD ME THAT I WOULD HAVE GOT IT DONE THROUGH THEM
OK but $300 on top of the original price is a bit $1037 to be precise so I wanted to fit them myself.
not a abba fan as for the pacemaker prices go I got quoted $850 for redback this is the canberra prices I know I hate it especially when I see the prices most of the other people have been quoted on this website.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

Actually the instructions say nothing about welding, but it does say to place an anti-zapper across the battery terminals, which means that welding will be required.

With the extractors that I do, the Y pipe still needs to be cut, but the extractors have a flared end that slips over the Y pipe. They are Wildcat, made by Genie. They do not come with a new Y pipe or a cat. They are $355, plus $35 for shipping to Canberra.

[acarmody]

I got a set of Pacemaker extractors and a 2.5" exhaust fitted for about $700. Either I got a bargain or you got ripped off.

[TI3VOM]

I got a set of Pacemaker extractors and a 2.5" exhaust fitted for about $700. Either I got a bargain or you got ripped off.

Buy the sounds of it you got a bargain and I got ripped off as I have already said the canberra prices seem to be FARKED BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY DID NOT READ THAT DID YOU.
that was the cheapest price I found in this region so I took it as you would too.

[Stressball]

YOU OBVIOUSLY DID NOT READ THAT DID YOU.

You know, I swear you remind me very much of someone else on here recently...

O YA! This guy: http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...verything.html

Don't be aggressive to people who ask questions in a public forum. You don't want answers, don't post.

And as for refusing to check installation instruction for something you're about to spend $800 on? Umm.. why not? Wouldn't it be a good idea to research something you're putting that much money into, rather than rushing into it blindly?

[TI3VOM]

You know, I swear you remind me very much of someone else on here recently...

O YA! This guy
Don't be aggressive to people who ask questions in a public forum. You don't want answers, don't post.

And as for refusing to check installation instruction for something you're about to spend $800 on? Umm.. why not? Wouldn't it be a good idea to research something you're putting that much money into, rather than rushing into it blindly?

I want answers for the question that I asked not that I got ripped off or that its my fault that I didnt reaserch the product that I was going to but even though the website did not say anything about welding just covering the battery as I am not a welder and have never done it in my life on a car so I would not know that that means welding is involved.
I am sure there was a time in your life where you did not know something and you asked somebody for help/advise.

Again that is why I asked those questions places that sell items are supposed to provide the right information when you ask not after you find out its does not do what you were told it would do.

And I have got no reason to be getting angry (Don't be aggressive to people who ask questions in a public forum. You don't want answers, don't post.)
The other replies that I have recieved may have not been angry towards me but some have been very sarcastic wich makes people angry because it's not needed when they are asking a simple question about something they did not know about.
[QUOTE acarmody QUOTE] I got a set of Pacemaker extractors and a 2.5" exhaust fitted for about $700. Either I got a bargain or you got ripped off.
^^^For the question that I asked this was not needed in my opinion I thought that they were being smart/sarcastic towards me if not I apologise.
SO FAR I HAVE NOT HAD ANYTHING SAID ABOUT THE PROCEDURE DONE BY THE COMPANY INVOLVED JUST THAT ITS ALL MY FAULT THAT IS WHY I AM GETTING ANGRY I ASKED THE QUESTIONS I NEEDED TO KNOW THEY ANSWERED WITH THE WRONG ADVICE SO TECHNICALLY IT MUST BE MY FAULT.

[hakhawk]

have you tried fitting it? if not, jsut take it back and get a refund. you work in retail, you should know how simple a task that is.

you were informed correctly about the fitting involved, and cannot fit it yourself. should not be a problem with it.

[Stressball]

I want answers for ... ... ...some have been very sarcastic wich makes people angry because it's not needed when they are asking a simple question about something they did not know about.

Nobody has been sarcastic. Everybody has answered relating to your original question or made speculation on the choice you made. Although you are the original poster of the thread, it does not mean every reply is directed at you. People asking which manufacturers make bolt-on extractors are not necessarily askingh you, they are asking an open question to anyone who can answer. Someone commenting that you paid a high price compared to some others available elsewhere is a perfectly reasonable reply. Again, if you do not want to hear anything other than exactly the answer to your question, a public forum really is not the place for you to post.

Fair enough you'd be irritated with the sellers, but I guess its somewhate reasonable for them to assume you would know a little bit about the installation if you're fitting them yourself. Did you specifically ask them "do I need to cut or weld anything to install these?" or was it just "do these bolt straight on?"

[MasterOfReality]

You know, I swear you remind me very much of someone else on here recently...

O YA! This guy: http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...verything.html

Don't be aggressive to people who ask questions in a public forum. You don't want answers, don't post.

And as for refusing to check installation instruction for something you're about to spend $800 on? Umm.. why not? Wouldn't it be a good idea to research something you're putting that much money into, rather than rushing into it blindly?

Holy shit, how did I miss an epic thread like that??

If you think they didn't fully inform you, ask the department of fair trading in your state for their opinion. I would think that if you asked the shop if they were bolt on and they said yes, it would carry more weight than them expecting you to research it for yourself.

[ClairBear]

but even though the website did not say anything about welding just covering the battery as I am not a welder and have never done it in my life on a car so I would not know that that means welding is involved.

Really? I am a female who has never looked into how extractors fit, but after this post I hit the Pacemaker site, and in less than two minutes I found this instruction:

Cut Y branch to Dia (1).
· Return Y branch to position & re-bolt to cat. Converter.
· Weld up to supplied flanges.

Now had I been you, I would have done this research and walked into Pacemaker Headers and purchased my extractors after having read the step by step instructions and realising there is a welding component to the installation.

So don't be coming on here and yelling at people because you are wound up and didn't do your research.

[TI3VOM]

Nobody has been sarcastic.

Fair enough you'd be irritated with the sellers, but I guess its somewhate reasonable for them to assume you would know a little bit about the installation if you're fitting them yourself. Did you specifically ask them "do I need to cut or weld anything to install these?" or was it just "do these bolt straight on?"

Everything that I have so far has been bolt on literally not bolt on cut and weld then put back together so when I was told they are bolt on I thought it would be like the other items that I have. when I asked GENTEC that same question I was told the procedure
the correct one
[QUOTE gunsy QUOTE] just wondering who do make extractors that bolt strait on to the v6, and where bouts do they bolt on? do they come with a y peice and new cat?
^^^ I thought if this person was legit they would ask how much what brand and where to get it from there is a system like the above but the thing is it's called a custom setup.

[TI3VOM]

Really? I am a female who has never looked into how extractors fit, but after this post I hit the Pacemaker site, and in less than two minutes I found this instruction:

Cut Y branch to Dia (1).
· Return Y branch to position & re-bolt to cat. Converter.
· Weld up to supplied flanges.

Now had I been you, I would have done this research and walked into Pacemaker Headers and purchased my extractors after having read the step by step instructions and realising there is a welding component to the installation.

So don't be coming on here and yelling at people because you are wound up and didn't do your research.

First of all if I had of walked into pacemaker to but these I would of been told the correct info but I didn't I am not going to jump onto the website and start looking at every one of the types of headers for gm model cars why cause I did not know what kind I would be getting and even if I did it does not say that any welding needs to be done that is for the 5059 style headers so I dont know where you got that from but it's not relvant to the ones that I have even if I had known I was getting these perticular ones it still does not specify.

[STEALTHY™]

First of all if I had of walked into pacemaker to but these I would of been told the correct info but I didn't I am not going to jump onto the website and start looking at every one of the types of headers for gm model cars why cause I did not know what kind I would be getting and even if I did it does not say that any welding needs to be done that is for the 5059 style headers so I dont know where you got that from but it's not relvant to the ones that I have even if I had known I was getting these perticular ones it still does not specify.

Just how many types are there? Couldn't be more than 3 or so, just check for all the ones suitable to your car (although you'd think they'd all have similar instructions)

[TI3VOM]

Just how many types are there? Couldn't be more than 3 or so, just check for all the ones suitable to your car (although you'd think they'd all have similar instructions)

Well thats true I was thinking when she said that the only way would be to go into the fitting instructions section and go from there there is about 20 for the GM series cars but I did not think to check weather it says vt-vx so that is my bad.

[STEALTHY™]

Well thats true I was thinking when she said that the only way would be to go into the fitting instructions section and go from there there is about 20 for the GM series cars but I did not think to check weather it says vt-vx so that is my bad.

Better yet, VT-X V6

You don't even have to bother looking at any other model/motor combo, the car you own is set in concrete at least.....

[Holdens Rule]

You know, I swear you remind me very much of someone else on here recently...

O YA! This guy: http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...verything.html

Don't be aggressive to people who ask questions in a public forum. You don't want answers, don't post.

And as for refusing to check installation instruction for something you're about to spend $800 on? Umm.. why not? Wouldn't it be a good idea to research something you're putting that much money into, rather than rushing into it blindly?

I just read that thread and have to say it is the best laugh I have had in a while, thanks for posting it

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

[QUOTE gunsy QUOTE] just wondering who do make extractors that bolt strait on to the v6, and where bouts do they bolt on? do they come with a y peice and new cat?
^^^ I thought if this person was legit they would ask how much what brand and where to get it from there is a system like the above but the thing is it's called a custom setup.

With the extractors that I do, the Y pipe still needs to be cut, but the extractors have a flared end that slips over the Y pipe. They are Wildcat, made by Genie. They do not come with a new Y pipe or a cat. They are $355, plus $35 for shipping to Canberra.

I answered this question, and they are not custom.