Sick of people complaining about speed Cameras?

[Maxxiz]

Is it just me or are other people sick of hearing people complain about speed cameras?
Im getting pretty jack of people calling them 'Revenue Raisers' when they aren't. They cant raise any revenue if people dont speed can they?
Opinions?

[Vee-ard]

Asking for opinions on this is like wearing an american flag in downtown baghdad.

[danja]

I'm not sick of it, I need a good laugh every now and then

[Maxxiz]

Asking for opinions on this is like wearing an american flag in downtown baghdad.

Carefactor? I'm not here to make friends lol
And don't worry, im wearing my flamesuit already.

[minux]

I'm not sick of it, I need a good laugh every now and then

+1 here. ther eis a fe wpeople who have been done 30+ over and claim there was no way they were doing it...hate to tell you, unless there is a bird in shot, you WERE doing it.

[Sheany]

Is it just me or are other people sick of hearing people complain about speed cameras?
Im getting pretty jack of people calling them 'Revenue Raisers' when they aren't. They cant raise any revenue if people dont speed can they?
Opinions?

I heartily agree. You behave, you've got nothing to worry about.
I hear it from my Dad mostly Some of the insane rants he goes on...

[pow3rslave]

+1 here. ther eis a fe wpeople who have been done 30+ over and claim there was no way they were doing it...hate to tell you, unless there is a bird in shot, you WERE doing it.

didn't you get done then have to use gps data to prove you weren't speeding?

[acarmody]

I'm certainly sick of people complaining of "revenue raising". The new Clem 7 tunnel here is Brissie will have 8 cameras, 4 each direction. Of course people are calling it revenue raising, but the worst part is that RACQ are also calling it revenue raising. This is the RACQ, a motoring body that unlike the government, gets listened too. People just don't seems to understand the dangers of speeding, but these dangers are so much worse when its in a tunnel, in this case a fairly long one.

[Maxxiz]

Knew there would be some people who agreed, like I said, the only way they can get money is if people speed. Ill admit, Ive been caught speeding, but I don't bitch about it. Take your punishment on the chin, learn a lesson from it, I did.

[danja]

It's much less revenue raising, and much more a voluntary donation scheme.

[delcowizzid]

i must be a tightarse ive never made a donation LOL mind you there never seems to be a collector in my area for me to give my donation

[Hunter SS]

it also pisses me off when people vehemently claim them to be nothing but revenue raisers. as the OP said, don't speed, don't get done for speeding... it's as easy as that!! I am actually against fixed speed cameras.... only because people know where they are and speed in between them. They should also put a radar or mobile speed camera a kilometre after the initial one.... i'll bet my nut sack they get most people on the second camera.
Don't get me wrong, i'm no angel on the highway sometimes, but i'm not reckless, and if i got done, i wouldn't complain about it.

[Bravotwozero]

Of course they're revenue raisers.

If they weren't, all revenue made from speed cameras would be put back into road education and transport infrastructure; it isn't. If they weren't revenue raisers, speed cameras would only be placed in black spots; they're not. Also speed limits are ridculously low. Mainly due to ridiculously inept drivers. If holding a driver's license really is such a privilege why are they given to morons?

If the powers that be genuinely believed speeding was so evil then they'd abolish fines altogether and simply ban speeders from driving. On top of that they don't even work. Speeding fine revenue continues to climb so clearly they're not slowing people down. They not doing what they're meant to be doing, (slowing people down) so why persevere with them?

[stu-k]

Yep the government is our friend their just trying to save our lives, there is no coruption either. I do everything by the book.

[danja]

If they weren't, all revenue made from speed cameras would be put back into road education and transport infrastructure; it isn't. If they weren't revenue raisers, speed cameras would only be placed in black spots; they're not. Also speed limits are ridculously low. Mainly due to ridiculously inept drivers. If holding a driver's license really is such a privilege why are they given to morons?

I'm led to believe there are guidelines in NSW about where they are placed, eg black spots, locations where speeding is a documented problem, school zones etc.

Also interested to know what you base your claims regarding where the revenue goes on?

If the powers that be genuinely believed speeding was so evil then they'd abolish fines altogether and simply ban speeders from driving. On top of that they don't even work.

Then we'd also kill murderers/rapists/pedophiles, fire arsonists into the sun, etc. Actually I suspect the reason why (and this relates to your point about giving inept drivers licenses) there is such a tolerance for "grave offenses" is that the government realises what a dint in productivity draconian licensing laws would bring. It's a pragmatic approach.

Cameras have a zone of effect, and they are highly effective inside that zone. Makes them great for schools and other very targeted anti-speeding initiatives. Sure there are certain types of habitual speeders who will speed whenever they think they can get away with it, so as soon as they pass the camera they're back doing 20-over. For others its a gentle reminder that yes, speeding is punished - maybe that's what keeps some people from speeding in the first place?

Speeding fine revenue continues to climb so clearly they're not slowing people down.

Is it climbing disproportionately to the number of new cameras and new drivers on the roads? Again, I wonder what you base that claim on.

[Bravotwozero]

I'm led to believe there are guidelines in NSW about where they are placed, eg black spots, locations where speeding is a documented problem, school zones etc.

Also interested to know what you base your claims regarding where the revenue goes on?



Then we'd also kill murderers/rapists/pedophiles, fire arsonists into the sun, etc. Actually I suspect the reason why (and this relates to your point about giving inept drivers licenses) there is such a tolerance for "grave offenses" is that the government realises what a dint in productivity draconian licensing laws would bring. It's a pragmatic approach.

Cameras have a zone of effect, and they are highly effective inside that zone. Makes them great for schools and other very targeted anti-speeding initiatives. Sure there are certain types of habitual speeders who will speed whenever they think they can get away with it, so as soon as they pass the camera they're back doing 20-over. For others its a gentle reminder that yes, speeding is punished - maybe that's what keeps some people from speeding in the first place?



Is it climbing disproportionately to the number of new cameras and new drivers on the roads? Again, I wonder what you base that claim on.

I won't speak for NSW as I live in Victoria. Speed cameras only need to be within a certain distance of a blackspot, not actually on it. Also if they were for blackspots only freeways wouldn't be lined with speed cameras before they've even been opened.

You're right, we don't kill murderers or rapists; we send them to jail. We certainly don't hand them a fine and let them continue on their merry way.

Pointless arguement really. Most people already have their views set in stone anyway.

[Dz811]

Google speed camera discrepancies and the like, and you'll find there's ALOT of false readings...
I think point-to-point cameras are a great idea, because they're accurate, they allow for overtaking and the like, and it encourages everybody to stick to one speed.

But when the cops that park on the side of the road point cameras in certain ways o at certain points, it's possible to get massively fluctuating readings.... I just think we need a more reliable way of measuring and fining

[danja]

You're right, we don't kill murderers or rapists; we send them to jail. We certainly don't hand them a fine and let them continue on their merry way.

My point was that you could consider jail as a "soft" punishment relative to murder, just as you could consider a fine and demerit points a "soft" punishment for speeding (you should also consider the far harsher penalties for extreme speeding cases - mandatory license suspension, heavy fines, court appearances etc).

Pointless arguement really. Most people already have their views set in stone anyway.

Perhaps, but if you want to win them you have to keep chipping away. I can tell you one thing, you're not going to convince me of much with lines like that!

[Harey]

Of course they're revenue raisers.

If they weren't, all revenue made from speed cameras would be put back into road education and transport infrastructure; it isn't. If they weren't revenue raisers, speed cameras would only be placed in black spots; they're not. Also speed limits are ridculously low. Mainly due to ridiculously inept drivers. If holding a driver's license really is such a privilege why are they given to morons?

If the powers that be genuinely believed speeding was so evil then they'd abolish fines altogether and simply ban speeders from driving. On top of that they don't even work. Speeding fine revenue continues to climb so clearly they're not slowing people down. They not doing what they're meant to be doing, (slowing people down) so why persevere with them?

+1

in my opinion there is too much focus on just speed. how many terrible drivers are out there that never speed and still cause accidents.

if you start looking around the world there are lots of other countries that have better systems but the government chooses to ignore them.

[Harey]

I can tell you one thing, you're not going to convince me of much with lines like that!

I can also tell you one thing, my goal is not to convince you but to put my point of view forward. If you dont agree, I really dont care. But I am also happy to listen to other points of view.

[Tsunamix]

Police Radar Laser & Speed cameras in Queensland, detectors, jammers, fines

[And_ROOS]

Is it just me or are other people sick of hearing people complain about speed cameras?
Im getting pretty jack of people calling them 'Revenue Raisers' when they aren't. They cant raise any revenue if people dont speed can they?
Opinions?

Look at how much money they earn from these lights each year.

Ok. Now see how much of that goes back to either the roads, the police, etc etc.

Then look how much gets wasted on advertising useless sh*t from our government.


THEN ALSO consider how often people get pinged (myself once included) when they are actually under the speed limit.

Then consider the people who speed, who pay the fine but have someone else take the points leaving them to stay on the road causing issues to other motorists, who pay high taxes to use the roads instead of, say, a policeman pulling the person over and getting them off the road.

[HamaTime™]

Sorry to add some fuel to the fire but I want to express my opinon.

The recent rise in speed cameras IS REVENUE RAISING. The government have capitalised on people who speed and technology. It is all under the guise of saying 'it is protecting other road users'. Sure, to an extent, some people will get caught, learn from it and rarely speed again. However, there are always going to be those who speed, regardless of consequences, regardless of risk etc. Speed cameras are not going to stop them speeding, just like tickets and fines and suspensions are not going to wholly stamp out people driving unregistered cars.

Now in no way do I condone speeding, however there is a few points that need to be taken into consideration. Speed cameras will catch you, even if you are doing 3-5 kms over the speed limit. In my opinion, that is ridiculous! With the amount of other stuff happening on the road at the same time, like retarded drivers, pedestrians, passengers, where you are going etc etc etc etc etc. Now how do you expect people to monitor their speedo, that precisely, to be more specific, monitor it to within a couple of kms. Then you have to take into account speedo variance. I have known people to get flashed when escaping a dangerous situation, i.e. a crash, a pedestrian who isn't looking, a retarded driver or whatever the situation may be. Is that fair to be booked when escaping a situation, an action that could ensure yours and others safety. Even if the offending speed is only a couple of km's over. My dad recieved a fine from a speed camera on a hill, going at 63km/h in a 60 zone. To me, that is outright bullshit, and revenue raising.

Sure speed cameras are a good thing to have, believe me I support them in some circumstances. But they have been exploited by the government, as they have recognised that there is a goldmine of fines out there to be taken into their coffers. And no one can do anything about the fact that they will mask, disguise and make scapegoats of statistics and situations to justify their actions and control a situation.

To the OP: True they can't raise revenue when people don't speed can they? However, as I said before, they have recognised that there will always be people speeding, therefore, they are out to capitalise on it. What pisses me off even more is that we don't even get very good service, infrastructure or whatnot out of our taxes and all the fines that they bring in. Australia as it once was is gone, time to give it back to the mob I say.

[Exidor]

Piggy Banks!
And the intoduction of gaming into
Victoria was never about revenue either.

[TVR-190]

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