Unwanted plumbing

[paddyj]

I have recently removed an old shed and have some unwanted copper plumbing in my back yard that I want to remove. I need to terminate the pipes where they come out of the back of the house. There are two, one hot and one cold.

I was hoping to do something like this:



Can anyone help, how can I seal them off like this?

[Garth]

my good man

im pretty sure that like electrical work, plumbing is the same, while you think you can do it, it's illegal to do unlicenced.


i sugest you call a plumber, spend the $200 for him to come out, cut the pipe and solder the fold properly,

[satos]

You can easily do it yourself without crimping the end.
Buy yourself a male threaded pipe hose connector then install a female threaded blank to the connector.
Job done.

[faroogoo]

Just get a Plumber out shouldn't take long to crimp it then hit it with the oxy & some brown tip.

[gopher]

as garth said plumbing and electrical work are illegal to do yourself (at least it is in Qld).
that's why the bastards charge so much

if you don't know what you're doing get a plumber

[Tim Smtih]

It's only illegal if you get caught. And as i'm not sure about the legalities of it i would recommend you check up on it. Obviously certain things must be done by a licensed plumber but i'm sure that doesn't apply to this situation. Read up on it, if you know what you are doing you are less likely to make a complete mess of it and then have to pay someone to fix it. A handful of responses on a forum will not cut it.

Plumbing Do-it-yourself for Dummies by Donald R. Prestly, 9780470173442 - Seekbooks

[edals]

Yeah, Its illegal in NSW also. But WIth electrical, im not paying someone $80 to removed and connect a few wires for a power point. I deal with much finer eletronics and 240 volts every day.

[MasterOfReality]

It's only illegal if you get caught. And as i'm not sure about the legalities of it i would recommend you check up on it. Obviously certain things must be done by a licensed plumber but i'm sure that doesn't apply to this situation. Read up on it, if you know what you are doing you are less likely to make a complete mess of it and then have to pay someone to fix it. A handful of responses on a forum will not cut it.

Plumbing Do-it-yourself for Dummies by Donald R. Prestly, 9780470173442 - Seekbooks

Thats right.

I wouldn't bother getting a plumber out for 5 minutes of work you could easily do yourself. Even getting one out to your place could be hard, and for such a small job they will charge you a fair bit. Sort of like electricians and powerpoints. $80 to replace a powerpoint? Bugger that, I do it myself.

I have often read up on certain jobs before I get a tradesman out, so I know exactly what should be done and then you can tell when they are stalling you so they can charge more.

[Garth]

just thought id put some info it for ya to think about

plumbing,
fine for unlicenced work for a individiual is $22000.


electrical
fine for unlicenced electrical work for a individual was $37050

source was the nsw fair tradeing website.


just something for all you diy's out there to think about.

[edals]

I Think also, you can perform the work your self, then have a electrician go over it and confirm its safe and correct.

[soop]

To bad if you spark yourself up in the process...

[gopher]

just thought id put some info it for ya to think about

plumbing,
fine for unlicenced work for a individiual is $22000.


electrical
fine for unlicenced electrical work for a individual was $37050

source was the nsw fair tradeing website.


just something for all you diy's out there to think about.

kinda makes the callout fee seem suddenly cheap doesn't it?

[UFO]

prep the area as much as possible. you dont want the tradesman spending time doing things you can do yourself. get easy access to the pipes organised and clean them up as much as possible.

you should be able to get it all sorted for under $200. ring up different companies and specify that the work isnt urgent and you're happy to fit in with the plumber when he's got time at the end of the day of something. there's a huge difference to what they charge... I had one company quote almost 3 times as much as the cheapest. ask call out$ and then hourly rate (and how its charged). most good plumbers will break it down to 15-20slots. if you get one charging 1 hour blocks, tell them to get stuffed.

[UFO]

I Think also, you can perform the work your self, then have a electrician go over it and confirm its safe and correct.

nup.
tradie has got to be onsite and supervising. you can prep by digging/cleaning whatever, but when it comes time to touch cables (or pipes) you cant on your own.

you can 'assist' a tradie, but thats it. the "checking your work" defence wont get you anywhere .

[edals]

I can Understand the reason behind it, but for simple tasks i dont understand, after all we can perform the work our selfs on cars witch can be very dangerous. dont have to have a mechanic perform repairs not maintaining a car can have a much worse out come. Oh well. Also with plumbing, what about changing tap washers? does that have to be done also by a tradie? cause i change them my self.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

What constitutes "Plumbing"? How many people have fitted and plumbed up there own water tanks? I know i did....I also know a fair few people that have.

I agree with the above statement, how many people do there own brakes? Isn't that taking yours (and others) lives in your hands? Yet, people don't have to go to a brake place to have there brakes done....

[cinndaz044]

just crimp the end of the pipe get it really hot with an oxy then melt a a bit of a brazing rod onto the pipe

if it doesnt seal you didnt get it hot enough try again.

[UFO]

I can Understand the reason behind it, but for simple tasks i dont understand, after all we can perform the work our selfs on cars witch can be very dangerous. dont have to have a mechanic perform repairs not maintaining a car can have a much worse out come. Oh well. Also with plumbing, what about changing tap washers? does that have to be done also by a tradie? cause i change them my self.

changing washers is considered general home maintenance, and doesnt require the services of a licenced plumber. i know what youre saying with the car thing, because faulty plumbing work can be costly but isnt a direct threat to life like faulty brakes.

i myself have changed light fittings and power points on my own house and never had an issue, and even though 'its against the law' i believe its within my ability to do so. but i think the laws are there to prevent people plumbing and wiring their whole house and then wanting to connect it to the grid... and I think thats the key point.

[UFO]

but im less confident with plumbing. even a small leak if you havent done it right could cause real dramas. with a faulty powerpoint or light switch, the problem is isolated and in the instance there's a short there are fail safes to a degree.

just work to your ability. but remember there's a lot of tradies out there that will charge you extra for work they have to do to 'undo' your mistakes. its always nice to watch tradies do things closely so you can learn a little bit at the same time.

[edals]

changing washers is considered general home maintenance, and doesnt require the services of a licenced plumber. i know what youre saying with the car thing, because faulty plumbing work can be costly but isnt a direct threat to life like faulty brakes.

i myself have changed light fittings and power points on my own house and never had an issue, and even though 'its against the law' i believe its within my ability to do so. but i think the laws are there to prevent people plumbing and wiring their whole house and then wanting to connect it to the grid... and I think thats the key point.

Yeah, I can understand the whole wiring up the house your self and then connecting it to the grid, but i think replacing a switch or something like that should fall into the general maintenance category also. but then again alot of people dont know where there power box and and how to switch of the power. At work working on open computer power supply, the capacitors hold charge when unplugged but still carry a big amount of voltage, been hit once my gawd it hurts lol, and some older places still dont have trip switches even though its law now to have them

[vlv8vic]

Cut the pipe. Wedge a bottle cork in there and wrap it up with electrical tape. You only have to hide it for 7 years then no one cares anyway.

Seriously though, simple job, no way I'd pay someone to do it. As far as I was aware tap washers came into the same 'legal' dilemma. Not supposed to do them but I don't know anyone who has called a plumber to do a tap washer.

[ispeed]

As a plumber of 20+ years - I can see no problem with brazing the pipes off with silfos or whatever you guys use over there. The biggest concern with plumbing is keeping the potable water supply clean - i.e. not allowing cross contamination into the public drinking supply.
What you want to do is very low risk in regard to that.
There are still some tricks to look out for though. If there is any water at all dripping from the those pipes when you are trying to weld em up, you won't be able to - nigh on impossible - although it can be done with a cutting head on the torch
keep a extinguisher close by too.
Personally - Pay a pro if you're not sure.

[Shounak]

Upon first sighting I thought this thread had something to do with a sex change.

[NIXONLS1]

Go to your nearest plumbing supplies joint and but your self a nipple, kinco and olive and plug in what ever size your copper pipe is. Alternatively you can always solder it up, you will need mapp gas, solder coil, solder flux and a cap. Wouldnt reccomend second one if you have no idea what im talking about lol.

[satos]

Personally - Pay a pro if you're not sure.

Okay,can you give me her phone number then.LOL