The Ady Gill Incident

[immortality]

Japanese whalers have rammed a sea Shepard anti whaling protest vessel. once again the japs are claiming innocence for there own actions.

both the NZ and Australian government now need to act and send military vessels to the area to prevent further criminal acts been perpetrated by the japanese whaling fleet.

Govt urges restraint in whaling fracas - Yahoo!Xtra News

check these vids

YouTube - ady gil ramming japanese whaling vessel - jap vid

YouTube - Ady Gil rammed by Shonan Maru No. 2, view from MV Bob Barker (sea shepard vessel) vid

in the 2nd vid it's very clear the jap vessel turns hard to starboard at speed to ram the Ady gil

[Jesterarts]

Australian Governent won't do shit because Krudd is spinless.

He hasn't even come out to make a statement on the matter or even to acknowledge the event.

But something needs to give, trying to disable another ship, sure fair enough if that floats your boat. But deliberately ramming a much much smaller vessel at full speed. The crew of the Ady Gil could have been killed if it have been hit a few meters more to it's stern.

And then they also didn't yield and give assitance once the Ady sent out a mayday call.

Thats some pretty major maritime laws broken there by the Japanese 'Research' vessel.

I don't completely agree with some of the actions on the Sea Shepards part, but if there are no penalties enforced on Japan after this, that will be a joke.

[S.T.K.E]

Wow. I heard the story yesterday but haven't seen the footage.
It is lucky that only injured was some broken ribs. This would be a totally different story if one of the members was killed.

[MasterOfReality]

Maybe the Ady Gil accelerated into the Japanese vessel?

You can see quite clearly by the whitewash they floored the bloody thing into the side of the jap boat.

[Jesterarts]

Not sure if we're watching the same video mate...

Ady Gill is basically stationary in the water... jap ship turns onto it, Ady Gill see's their about the be hit and tries to high tail out of there but too late and the jap ship turn onto it again.

Then once they have rammed the Ady Gill, they decided to high pressure hose it just for good measure.

[minux]

Maybe the Ada Gill accelerated into the Japanese vessel?

You can see quite clearly by the whitewash they floored the bloody thing into the side of the jap boat.

Agree at 19 seconds they start booting it in the jap video. They should have avoided the collision being the smaller boat. The angle of the jap boat in the greenpeace video barely changes yet somehow manages to hit the other one. Shows greenpeace accelerated forward into its path.

Nice setup greenpeace but you failed.

[greenfoam]

No way the Andy gil was moving forward slightly but the japs have really yanked on the wheel to do that. I'm sure they were pissed at some previous incident earlier in the day . But still screw the whale eaters I say (and the fish eaters and the cow eaters). But that's another story . I think this calls for the A team to weld up an indestructable nose on a old trawler and line up some whale boats

p.s these guys are not greenpeace, they are fairly x 10000 more agressive. greenpeace don't do stuff like this

[Jesterarts]

Agree at 19 seconds they start booting it in the jap video. They should have avoided the collision being the smaller boat. The angle of the jap boat in the greenpeace video barely changes yet somehow manages to hit the other one. Shows greenpeace accelerated forward into its path.

Nice setup greenpeace but you failed.

The Japanese ship shouldn't have steered toward the stationary boat in the first place. Maybe there where planning on just bluffing but they turned onto the Ady Gill while that boat was stationary in the water.

And barely changes angle? you watch the footage from the Barker and the Jap vessel changed direction by 20-30 degrees.

Yes, the Ady floored it right before the crash, but it looks to me like they judged that the Jap boat was going to keep turning at the same rate and were hoping to cross ahead of it.

But the Jap vessel started turning the other way at that point.

Pretty sure the Jap vessel was setting up a bluff to scare the Ady Gill, the Ady Gill misjudged it and the closing action of boat boats contributed to the collision.

But initially, the Ady Gill was stationary and the Jap vessel turned onto it, there is no denying that.

EDIT:

Shame about the Ady Gill though, awesome boat wasted.

Also, we should add a poll to this on who people think is to blame for the collision.

[immortality]

Agree at 19 seconds they start booting it in the jap video. They should have avoided the collision being the smaller boat. The angle of the jap boat in the greenpeace video barely changes yet somehow manages to hit the other one. Shows greenpeace accelerated forward into its path.

Nice setup greenpeace but you failed.

i'm sorry, must be my imagination. or did i miss the bit where the jap boat turns sharply at speed. just look at the way the jap boat leans over as it goes into the turn. the jap boat was moving at a fairly good speed.

maritime law states very clearly that you must always give way to the vessel to your starboard side as the Ady gil was. the jap captain should be prosecuted for breaking such a major maritime law. happened in Australian controlled waters. hope your government takes to correct actions

[minux]

good on the japs regardless who was at fault. These clowns need to be off the water

immortality, Australian controlled waters mean jack shit, they are not australian waters to the Japanese who have no accord to agree to any such clauses.

[immortality]

good on the japs regardless who was at fault. These clowns need to be off the water

so that means you condone whaling. good one mate.

i would quite happily go down there and support the sea shepard. they are the only organisation that is willing to take it to the japs against there illegal whaling.

[immortality]

immortality, Australian controlled waters mean jack shit, they are not australian waters to the Japanese who have no accord to agree to any such clauses.

regardless, major maritime laws have been broken. unfortunatly the NZ government is about as spineless as the Australian government when it comes to the subject of whaling

[greenfoam]

In the end this stack will stoke the fire nicely, bring it

[minux]

so that means you condone whaling. good one mate.

i would quite happily go down there and support the sea shepard. they are the only organisation that is willing to take it to the japs against there illegal whaling.

Sorry illegal whaling? Care to show me the law that says it is illegal for Japan to whale? I would really like to see what laws are being broken. I think you will find NONE are being broken

Hardly means I condone whaling, simply means I do not condone what these so called "peace" activists do. Funnily enough its always these sorts of groups that are the most violent at trying to get their message across.

[levymetal]

it might not be illegal for Japan to whale in their own waters, but isn't it illegal if Japan is whaling in Australian waters? i thought we had some sort of anti-whaling policy.

[minux]

levy, when have japan whaled in Australian waters though? Antarctic waters ARE NOT Australian waters.

We should allow them in the waters though, down at Torquay the other day there were ****ing whales everywhere, seems Australian waters are overflowing with them.

[immortality]

are the japs not signatories to the anti whaling agreement? they choose to use a so called loophole as that they can do "lethal research". now if they did that and killed one or two whales i could understand (maybe) but when the total kill is set for almost a 1000 whales scientific research is just a convenient lie. something the japs seems to be good at.

when the whaling convention is held the japs spend a fortune bribing other small nations so vote in favor of a change to the convention so that they can whale "legally" so far they haven't managed to bribe enough countries to get that majority but they get closer every time.

on the issue of violence, the jap whaling fleet are using military type sonic weapons. one must wonder the legality of that move

[levymetal]

oh, well i thought that's what they were trying to do, but yeah if they don't actually catch anything then they haven't broken any laws, they'll just say they weren't trying and were heading somewhere else

[MasterOfReality]

- This did not happen in waters that are internationally recognised as Australian.

- What was the Ady Gil doing in such close proximity to a much larger vessel? Sure the laws state that you must give way to the starboard side, but it doesn't apply to every scenario.

- The Ady Gil was underway when the collision took place.

- To suggest that the whaling vessel swerved sharply to hit the Ady Gil is ignoring the laws of physics. Granted, a trimaran might not be able to change direction easily, but to imply that a whaling vessel is more manouverable than a substantially smaller high tech trimaran is grasping at straws. This relates back to how close the Ady Gil is to the whaling vessel.

I'm not a fan of whaling but I did have a chuckle when I saw it on the news - after the deliberate sabotage tactics like acid, rotten flesh, netting propellers, cat and mouse games etc etc. Its a bit much for the activists to get up on their moral high horse and whinge about it.

[Jesterarts]

- This did not happen in waters that are internationally recognised as Australian.

- What was the Ady Gil doing in such close proximity to a much larger vessel? Sure the laws state that you must give way to the starboard side, but it doesn't apply to every scenario.

- The Ady Gil was underway when the collision took place.

- To suggest that the whaling vessel swerved sharply to hit the Ady Gil is ignoring the laws of physics. Granted, a trimaran might not be able to change direction easily, but to imply that a whaling vessel is more manouverable than a substantially smaller high tech trimaran is grasping at straws. This relates back to how close the Ady Gil is to the whaling vessel.

I'm not a fan of whaling but I did have a chuckle when I saw it on the news - after the deliberate sabotage tactics like acid, rotten flesh, netting propellers, cat and mouse games etc etc. Its a bit much for the activists to get up on their moral high horse and whinge about it.

I'd say it's just watching the video.

I don't agree with what these 'Animal Activists' do and how they go about it.

But in this case I have to side with them, they were basically stationary in the water, if the whaling ship had not changed direction and turned onto it, this collision would not have occured.

Not saying that some of the blame doesn't lay with the Ady Gill, the the blame on its part is more a big **** up in their judgement and not a deliberate action to cause the incident.

[burnz]

- This did not happen in waters that are internationally recognised as Australian.

- What was the Ady Gil doing in such close proximity to a much larger vessel? Sure the laws state that you must give way to the starboard side, but it doesn't apply to every scenario.

- The Ady Gil was underway when the collision took place.

- To suggest that the whaling vessel swerved sharply to hit the Ady Gil is ignoring the laws of physics. Granted, a trimaran might not be able to change direction easily, but to imply that a whaling vessel is more manouverable than a substantially smaller high tech trimaran is grasping at straws. This relates back to how close the Ady Gil is to the whaling vessel.

I'm not a fan of whaling but I did have a chuckle when I saw it on the news - after the deliberate sabotage tactics like acid, rotten flesh, netting propellers, cat and mouse games etc etc. Its a bit much for the activists to get up on their moral high horse and whinge about it.

large ship don't have tillers or rudders of old, the use 360* maneuvering thruster's.
an oil tanker can do a "U" turn without going forward/backwards.
http://cav2001.library.caltech.edu/68/00/observ.pdf

[immortality]

- This did not happen in waters that are internationally recognised as Australian.

- What was the Ady Gil doing in such close proximity to a much larger vessel? Sure the laws state that you must give way to the starboard side, but it doesn't apply to every scenario.

- The Ady Gil was underway when the collision took place.

- To suggest that the whaling vessel swerved sharply to hit the Ady Gil is ignoring the laws of physics. Granted, a trimaran might not be able to change direction easily, but to imply that a whaling vessel is more manouverable than a substantially smaller high tech trimaran is grasping at straws. This relates back to how close the Ady Gil is to the whaling vessel.

I'm not a fan of whaling but I did have a chuckle when I saw it on the news - after the deliberate sabotage tactics like acid, rotten flesh, netting propellers, cat and mouse games etc etc. Its a bit much for the activists to get up on their moral high horse and whinge about it.

if i remember correctly Australia does take responsibility for those waters in regards to search and rescue as NZ takes responsibility for another large portion of antarctic waters. i'm not certain what that also means in regards to law enforcement but i know in the past things have been ignored by both the NZ and AUstralian governments

it shows clearly in one video that if the whaling vessel had maintained a straight course it would have missed the Ady gill by a country mile. it altered course and was traveling at speed toward a vessel that was stationary at that time.

yes they have play'd a cat & mouse game. that vessel is doing it's best to keep the sea Shepard vessels away from the main whaling fleet. the japs are using long range aircraft to monitor the sea Shepard vessels. the japs are using a lot of resources so that we can't see what there scientific research entails

[stocky]

pretty obvious that the ady gil was stationary for most of it, and most likely only started moving forward once they notice a big ship had suddenly changed direction into them. its not like they could turn out of the way of the ship without going forward to start off with.

[Tim Smtih]

I don't care who was at fault here, the problem of the japanese killing whales still remains.

[danja]

I'm not on the side of the whalers, but I think a boat up their arses is just what the Sea Shepherd needed.