Holden looks set to secure a billion dollar export program

[burnz]

Holden looks set to secure a billion dollar export program and get the Chevrolet Camaro muscle car in return.

Charismatic General Motors vice chairman Bob Lutz has today confirmed Chevrolet's interest in the Holden Commodore as a "four-door Corvette" sports model in the USA and also revealed the new Camaro muscle car is likely to be sold in Australia.

Lutz's confirmation of Chevrolet's interest in the Commodore backed up GM North America boss mark reuss...............
Holden Commodore | GM | Chevrolet Camaro | Detroit Motor Show
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[minux]

oh great just what we need in Aus, another big arsed ugly over sized piece of pooh.

Good news on the export side of things though.

[S.O.S]

And you drive a modern rex?, you already have poor taste.

[HamaTime™]

And you drive a modern rex?, you already have poor taste.

snap!!!!

[minux]

And you drive a modern rex?, you already have poor taste.

Poor taste? Hardly, I bought a car that goes as well as anything holden has to offer, handles better than holden has to offer, built better than anything holden has to offer, looks better than anything holden has to offer and cheaper than anything holden has to offer with the same features.

Just because you cant see past the wart that is holden on the end of your nose, does not give someone bad taste.

[Calaber]

Poor taste? Hardly, I bought a car that goes as well as anything holden has to offer, handles better than holden has to offer, built better than anything holden has to offer, looks better than anything holden has to offer and cheaper than anything holden has to offer with the same features.

Just because you cant see past the wart that is holden on the end of your nose, does not give someone bad taste.

Minux

Styling is a very subjective matter. Many would say the Impreza is now a very ugly car and not "better looking than anything Holden offers." It certainly hasn't won any styling kudos I can think of - in fact, quite the opposite, with many motoring writers saying that Subaru has lost the plot with its current styling trends.

Perhaps just restrict the "better than's" to quality, handling etc and leave the styling to those who can design good looking cars. Subaru can't at present.

[minux]

Minux

Styling is a very subjective matter. Many would say the Impreza is now a very ugly car and not "better looking than anything Holden offers." It certainly hasn't won any styling kudos I can think of - in fact, quite the opposite, with many motoring writers saying that Subaru has lost the plot with its current styling trends.

Perhaps just restrict the "better than's" to quality, handling etc and leave the styling to those who can design good looking cars. Subaru can't at present.

Ah, so your having a go at me for liking the styling and saying i shouldn't, yet its ok for you to dislike?

It is my opinion that there is nothing Holden has to offer in their cars that comes close to style, performance etc. Yet to meet anyone disagree with this that has actually driven the car. Funnily enough the ones I find who make these sort of statements are generally Ford and Holden owners...funny that.

[Calaber]

Ah, so your having a go at me for liking the styling and saying i shouldn't, yet its ok for you to dislike?

It is my opinion that there is nothing Holden has to offer in their cars that comes close to style, performance etc. Yet to meet anyone disagree with this that has actually driven the car. Funnily enough the ones I find who make these sort of statements are generally Ford and Holden owners...funny that.

Minux

No, don't try to twist what I said to suit yourself. You made a comment - I said many disagree. When you make such a straightforward comment on the open internet, be prepared for contrary views. Simple enough. No need for argument. You like the design. Fine. Many don't, including me. And we are both entitled to our opinions, are we not? And have you not made comments in the past that if you post an opinion on such an open forum, be prepared for opposing views?

I'm sorry, though, that I feel your credibility in this matter suffers from the fact that you owned a Holden yourself until quite recently. What influenced your decision to buy that car?

As for disagreeing with you, I refer again to the fact that I ONLY referred to your comments re styling - not the driveability, quality or performance of the car. In fact, I think I made the comment that those aspects of the Subaru are superior, did I not?

Edit: Final comment. What sort of comments would you expect by making statements such as these on a primarily Holden oriented website, anyway? Naturally the feedback will come from Holden owners - apart from a select group of exceptions, that's what most of the members of this forum own or drive. They're not all bogans.....

[minux]

Minux

I'm sorry, though, that I feel your credibility in this matter suffers from the fact that you owned a Holden yourself until quite recently. What influenced your decision to buy that car?

How does my credibility suffer? I hated japanese cars for years. That was until it come time to buy a new car. After test driving EVERYTHING holden had to offer including HSV's, everything ford had to offer including fpv's, I dropped by subaru(actually went there looking at forresters etc for the mrs and thought what the hell) and took a wrx for a drive. The car looked beter than anything holden/ford had to offer, it didnt feel as cheap, felt better on the road, cheaper to run, runs better, looked better built(no uneven gappings between panels) and for the price, slaughtered anything Holden/Ford had to offer. There is no credibility issues here, i spent almost 2 months test driving what Australian makers had to offer before deciding that what they offer is over priced poorly built rubbish. Again, this is just my opinion, which is really bias after testing almost every car...close 2nd I will admit was the G6E Turbo...very nice car, just too pricey for what it is when you know how they are built.

Edit: Final comment. What sort of comments would you expect by making statements such as these on a primarily Holden oriented website, anyway? Naturally the feedback will come from Holden owners - apart from a select group of exceptions, that's what most of the members of this forum own or drive. They're not all bogans.....

Unsure where anyone said all Commodore owners are bogans?

[Calaber]

How does my credibility suffer? I hated japanese cars for years. That was until it come time to buy a new car. After test driving EVERYTHING holden had to offer including HSV's, everything ford had to offer including fpv's, I dropped by subaru(actually went there looking at forresters etc for the mrs and thought what the hell) and took a wrx for a drive. The car looked beter than anything holden/ford had to offer, it didnt feel as cheap, felt better on the road, cheaper to run, runs better, looked better built(no uneven gappings between panels) and for the price, slaughtered anything Holden/Ford had to offer. There is no credibility issues here, i spent almost 2 months test driving what Australian makers had to offer before deciding that what they offer is over priced poorly built rubbish. Again, this is just my opinion, which is really bias after testing almost every car...close 2nd I will admit was the G6E Turbo...very nice car, just too pricey for what it is when you know how they are built.



Unsure where anyone said all Commodore owners are bogans?

When I asked you what influenced to buy "that car", I was referring to the HSV, not the Subaru. My question was possibly a bit vague on that point.

Re the bogan comment, I was simply averring that just because a lot of people like and own Holdens doesn't mean they are easily satisfied by sub-standard goods, or subject to the "Holden rules" crap. I subscrube to neither stance. I tried the Golf Mk V and to put it simply, the gloss wore off very quickly and it was a brand new car. I had a Commodore prior to the Golf and returned to a Commodore to replace it. After over two years, I don't regret my choice. The Golf had too many faults, particularly electrics, and was a let down as a consequence. The second hand Commodore has been far more reliable and has travelled as many k's over the past two years as did the Golf in the time I owned it.

[BXHD]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

this is entertaining

[Calaber]

Nice to know you are enjoying yourself.

[BXHD]

thought id try and lighten the mood with some LULZ.

but you and Minux both have valid points.

- Minux has a point when it comes to the 'one eyed' Holden people. but it is a Holden forum and that's sorta self explanatory

- And i think u have a point about Subaru's styling. they are HIDEOUS.. and they sound like arse.. but what ever floats ur boat.. im sure Minux thinks my car is a hunk of junk

[SV62NV]

Lets break this tension......

I saw my mate the other day and it looked like he had a sore neck, so i asked him if he was alright.

He replyed with mate, i took a viagra pill before but it got stuck in my throat...... I'VE HAD A STIFF NECK ALL DAY!!

BOOOM TISHHH

Topic related: If this succeed's it would be really good for Holden, I'd like the Camero to be in Aus but if it going to be more than a HSV is it really worth it?

[S.O.S]

Poor taste? Hardly, I bought a car that goes as well as anything holden has to offer, handles better than holden has to offer, built better than anything holden has to offer, looks better than anything holden has to offer and cheaper than anything holden has to offer with the same features.

Just because you cant see past the wart that is holden on the end of your nose, does not give someone bad taste.

Ok take some humour and turn it into the right context for a bogan holden fight or something. So i have a wart called holden on my nose?, nice one. Ok..

It's been regraded by many that subaru has lost it's design skills since the bug eye days. Even today for something as smart and classy looking as the liberty they found a way to ''ugly it up''.

Question some of your emotional statements.

Goes as well, 50/50.

Handles, yes the symmetrical yadar yadar AWD system is very good on the WRX. However it's not without flaws - and more of late. It's got understeer and it's shocking, to reverse this they created some oversteer to counter it. What it did was turn the car into a very unpredictable unit when pressing to hard. They can't match the evo now. In the past when they made them nice they had the perfect balance with some understeer. Today they are a handful.

Build quality, ok winner.

Looks, since bug eyes it's been very questionable their styling by most.

Cheaper, yes again something they have always had is a cheap well spec car that delivers.

I prefer the 90's rex and still do.

[Darren_L]

back on topic

hopefully this deal is as good as it sounds - there's no actual mention of the numbers Holden expects to export to the US. If it turns out to be as good as it sounds, it's just what Holden needs at the moment in regards to exporting the Commodore.

Having said that though, I think Holden would need to be cautious as to the pricing of the Camaro, or they risk directly competing with their own SS and/or HSV.

The new Camaro is a good looking car though, would be good to see some on the road over here.