crushing cars and installing speed limiters for "hoons"

[VXdarkmagic]

Apparently the Victorian Govt is considering installing speed limiters and crushing cars with regards to "hoons" due to a teenage road death caused by high speed:

Crushing hoon cars 'being considered' - The West Australian

read and discuss

[vn_v6]

you could have a gps system in the car, and it has the speed limits yes? mine does, well say freeway is 110, the gps will know, and set the limit to lets say 115, so you can atleast overtake, or have a set amount of time you can speed to 125 like 15 seconds, and then it goes back to 110, and when you go into a street thats 50, it wont let you speed at all.

[Vee-ard]

you realise exceeding the speed limit to overtake is still illegal?

If the other car is doing the speed limit you shouldnt need to overtake..

[S.T.K.E]

This is old news brought into new light. There saying this all around Australia

[minux]

you realise exceeding the speed limit to overtake is still illegal?

If the other car is doing the speed limit you shouldnt need to overtake..

Surely you arent saying you NEVER speed up to overtake? I wont even try and get out of that one, I always speed up to pass, the less time im in the other lane the better.

To the OP, crushing cars is pointless, speed limiting, not a bad idea, but at the end of the day its just piss poor diversion tactics from state and federal governments. Better driver training, mixed with police, parents, teachers all being hand back the right to discipline children will go a long way.

I seen these 5 morons on the TV that were killed, looked like they didnt share a brain between them, then to top it off one of their bright spark mates was caught doing 165 in a 70? zone the next morning. Clearly scare tactics do not work on these brainless ********s. Until we come up with an idiot test that allows us to put down ********s before they hurt someone all we can hope for is that these idiots wipe themselves out before wiping out innocent road users.

[Vee-ard]

Surely you arent saying you NEVER speed up to overtake? I wont even try and get out of that one, I always speed up to pass, the less time im in the other lane the better.

Not at all, I do it often. But still illegal.

[06vzcalais]

these teenages clearly had a death wish drink driving, exceeding 150 kph with a passenger hanging his head out the window yahooing and having 6 people in a 5 seater (forgot to mention they were also driving a ford) how stupid can you get surely one of the 5 passengers would of had a brain .
speed restricting l and p plate drivers only tackles half the problem as accidents from people holding these licenses only cater for 30 odd percent of the road toll, they speed limit trucks, trucks still kill more people than p platers do
more public drag strips and race tracks with weekly/monthly meets that are subsidised by the gov with driver education courses would give "hoons" somewhere legal to "hoon" how manny rural abandoned air strips are there that maybe see one plane a week.
they tried the crushing thing in America and that CLEARLY WORKED *sarcastic look*

[stocky]

crushing cars is a pointless waste of resources and is just going to increase the number of people that will use high speeds to evade the police to prevent them impounding the car to crush it

how hard would it be to remove a speed limiter, especially on an older car?

[ari666]

lol, i would love to see them trying to put a speed limiter on my car... they would have to get the speedo actually working to begin with

(or they just give me a canary...)

[SS 1998]

i personally reckon that they need driver ed programs and and maybe you have to complete 1 driver ed program before you go 4 ur Ls and you have 2 complete 2-3 b4 you can go 4 ur Ps.....but have it unlimited so teenagers can go as much as possible and put a cost on it.......and if you had days where you could go out there and just muck round doin burnouts and stuff......nothing is going to stop them being idiots but at least they might be able to control a car bit better. bcoz they go out n do 150 on highways things it easy but all it takes it a little thing to go round n you end up in a body bag

[moose man]

crushing cars is a pointless waste of resources and is just going to increase the number of people that will use high speeds to evade the police to prevent them impounding the car to crush it

how hard would it be to remove a speed limiter, especially on an older car?

Crushing cars is a great idea. How many people out there would approve of drink driving every time you wanted to overtake someone, or just every now and then? Drink driving is almost exactly the same as speeding. You could do it every day for the rest of your life and never crash or cause trouble, but it's when something goes wrong that you could easily lose control.
Wait until an innocent family loved one is on the news killed by a drunk or speeding driver before you say it's ok to speed.

Crushing the car isn't designed to stop the actual person doing it again, it's a public display to the rest of the community. "This is what happens if you do the wrong thing"
It hurts to see someone elses nice car crushed.

How many people today would traffic drugs to Bali after those 9 got caught and have to eat their own shit to survive jail? It's the same thing. Make an example of someone to stop it happening in the future.

[stocky]

How many people today would traffic drugs to Bali after those 9 got caught and have to eat their own shit to survive jail? It's the same thing. Make an example of someone to stop it happening in the future.

yet people still do it? how many australians get caught doing that. same will go for hoon laws. make them as bad as you want, people will still do it. the only problem is the bigger the punishment is, the more reckless the offender is going to be in order to escape that punishment, and if evading police at 200+ km/h is going to stop them losing their car, mor people will be inclined to take that chance

[minux]

Crushing cars is a great idea. How many people out there would approve of drink driving every time you wanted to overtake someone, or just every now and then? Drink driving is almost exactly the same as speeding. You could do it every day for the rest of your life and never crash or cause trouble, but it's when something goes wrong that you could easily lose control.
Wait until an innocent family loved one is on the news killed by a drunk or speeding driver before you say it's ok to speed.

If your losing control, its not the speed that it is the problem, it is the lack of driver training to get out of the loss of control(or preventing getting into a situation to lose control to begin with). Rarely is speed the sole factor in an accident, it is simply in most cases a small contributor. If I am doing 140 along a road and a car pulls out in front of me, speed will be blamed, yet the complete failure to give way by the other driver is what was at fault here.

The accident the OP mentioned is one of the few fatal accidents that occurs each year where speed is one of the main contributing factors, although, I even doubt the speed was the major contributing problem here, more likely to be the alcohol and the distractions of having drunk mates jumping around the car.
Like many other Australians, you have become a sheeple to the lies that speed kills. Concentration and poor driver education is a much bigger killer. I believe a study has also proven that the low speed limits in Australia are also contributing to many accidents due to causing extra fatigue and thus loss of concentration!

Crushing the car isn't designed to stop the actual person doing it again, it's a public display to the rest of the community. "This is what happens if you do the wrong thing"
It hurts to see someone elses nice car crushed.

If someone else's car is crushed I couldn't give a shit, much like i am guessing 90% of people on JC couldn't care.

How many people today would traffic drugs to Bali after those 9 got caught and have to eat their own shit to survive jail? It's the same thing. Make an example of someone to stop it happening in the future.

Umm, the same amount of people that have done it int he past would still do it today, people have been doing it for decades, no one learns from Thailand etc, there is always deadheads out there that simply do not care if they are caught until they are caught.

[Maxxiz]

Crushing cars is stupid IMO, half the "Hoon" cars arent even good ones, they're bombed up VN's, falcons, thrashed camry's, and the occasional laser. They'll think oh well, there goes 500 bucks, off to get another commo. Speed limiters would be great, but they would have to be good.. Teens would probably easily disable them.

[moose man]

If I am doing 140 along a road and a car pulls out in front of me, speed will be blamed, yet the complete failure to give way by the other driver is what was at fault here.

So, it couldn't be your fault at all huh?
It couldn't be that the other driver expected you to be doing 80, or 90kph or whatever and didn't expect you to arrive so quickly?
It couldn't be that at 80kph your car would have had the capability of braking within normal control.
It couldn't be that your attention might have been on the rear vision mirror, or another car, or another driving task so your reaction time was slow.

I agree with some of your comments, but people will always pull out in front of you, or do stupid things. That will never change, but if everyone drove to the speed limit though, there would be a safe margin for error on your part to safely avoid incidents.

You might be the safest driver around, but others aren't. Speed limits are designed with this margin in mind for the 'just in case' scenario.

[Maci]

having 6 people in a 5 seater (forgot to mention they were also driving a ford)*

whats driving a ford got to do with it? a holden would destroy itself in exactly the same way with a wanker behind the wheel, irrespective of how old or how "hoon" they are.

[minux]

So, it couldn't be your fault at all huh?
It couldn't be that the other driver expected you to be doing 80, or 90kph or whatever and didn't expect you to arrive so quickly?
It couldn't be that at 80kph your car would have had the capability of braking within normal control.
It couldn't be that your attention might have been on the rear vision mirror, or another car, or another driving task so your reaction time was slow.

I agree with some of your comments, but people will always pull out in front of you, or do stupid things. That will never change, but if everyone drove to the speed limit though, there would be a safe margin for error on your part to safely avoid incidents.

You might be the safest driver around, but others aren't. Speed limits are designed with this margin in mind for the 'just in case' scenario.

If people actually took 2-3 seconds to give way, instead of just moving out then it wouldnt matter what speed I was doing. 2-3 seconds of ones day to CONFIRM the cars speed is hardly putting one out, you can very easily judge if you can safely move out into flowing traffic in just this time... People these days think give way means yep i have enough room to get out, not sure how fast they are going but ah well they SEEM far enough away.

edit: sorry I am not condoning speeding. I am simply saying, if people followed the road rules correctly, speeding would not be an issue really. Sure if someone gets cleaned up from a car doing 140 in an 80 zone, had the person not been speeding it wouldnt of happened, on the same note, had the driver giving way to the speeding car took time to check oncoming traffic, it wouldn't have happened either.

[XST80]

That's why it's kind of retarded advertising a car in regards to how safe it is.

You could have 10 airbags or no airbags, you hit a tree sideways at 180, you're not walking away.

[Vt-Brrrlina]

guarentee if my car was set to be crushed... id be doin this too... this guy really learnt his lesson hahah stripping his car first.. probably made a bit of money on it

Hoon car trashed - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

[stocky]

guarentee if my car was set to be crushed... id be doin this too... this guy really learnt his lesson hahah stripping his car first.. probably made a bit of money on it

Hoon car trashed - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

id imagine lots of people would just try to race home, or somewhere else, remove all expensive parts, throw in a dead v6 motor and remove their good one, etc

[Ls1vxwagon]

Give the hoons a place to do it safely like sundown but of course people who build around sundown race track knowing that it's a race track will complain and therefore the hoons are back on the streets. Events like easternats should be made as often as possible so as to get the so called hoons of the road but I am sure the goverment would not look at it that way

[moose man]

I am simply saying, if people followed the road rules correctly, speeding would not be an issue really. Sure if someone gets cleaned up from a car doing 140 in an 80 zone, had the person not been speeding it wouldnt of happened, on the same note, had the driver giving way to the speeding car took time to check oncoming traffic, it wouldn't have happened either.

Tell that to the parents of the 5 year old kid that stumbles off a path onto the roadway, or the disabled person who's wheelchair has run out of control.

You argument is flawed. Not all people know or understand road rules, even some drivers. Are you going to blame the dog/kangaroo/*insert animal for making you skid out of control into a house when it runs in front of you?

[Full Spectrum]

That's their cop out, Crush cars. I would only consider crushing ones car if they had a long history of it. But first i would be crushing their pocket licence and brain before the car.

[kuzman89]

Tell that to the parents of the 5 year old kid that stumbles off a path onto the roadway, or the disabled person who's wheelchair has run out of control.

You argument is flawed. Not all people know or understand road rules, even some drivers. Are you going to blame the dog/kangaroo/*insert animal for making you skid out of control into a house when it runs in front of you?

Don't know about you, but hitting a a 5 year old at 50km/h or 60km/h or even 140km/h is going to have the same effect lol. Dead is dead.

If people don't undertstand the road rules, why are they on the road?

[thedeadwalk]

Are you going to blame the dog/kangaroo/*insert animal for making you skid out of control into a house when it runs in front of you?

law states to maintain couse and run over the animal