Blues Brother # 1
P-platers banned from safer cars
Hey Guys.
Thoughts on this news regarding Legal cars for P Platers, We Can apparently legally drive a Audi V12 diesel, as its a Diesel, But we cant drive a basic 1.4 golf Turbo petrol.
Think its about time they bring in the same scheme as bikes, Power to Weight ratio, With bikes its a max of 150kw per tone but max 665cc. witch is quite fare on a bike due to weight. And on all the rego stickers it has LAM stamped, Showing its a learner approve motorcycle.
Here is the news link
P-platers bemused by restrictions
only human......
dude this shit has been well known since restrictions first came in somewhere round 2002-03
WTB VR/VS FACTORY HEADUNIT BRACKETS PM MEOriginally Posted by MY-42-VT
SSM11K
What P plater is going to get hold of an Audi V12 Diesel? Seriously...
Although I agree the laws are poorly written, I do believe that the media, once again is putting their own spin on things...
Rolling on 4 again :D
The p plate restrictions up here in QLD don't have the power to weight restrictions, but do have the others; no forced induction except for turbo diesels, nothing over 200kw, no engine mods requiring a mod plate, etc. There are some cars that don't quite fit the whole 'safety' cause for the restrictions, you can drive a 1 star kingswood from decades ago, but you can't drive a 5 star merc with a blown 1.6 litre engine simply because it's supercharged, even though the output powewr is under 200kw.
It's a blanket measure that wasn't implemented properly. If they'd actually gone to more effort to do it properly, I would see the point in it.
Blues Brother # 1
Be Surprised the amount of P platers in *Daddys* Car lol
The media is spinning it yes, But just bringing it to the attention of new P Platers, As back in 02-03 they were just starting high school & May not know about this.
Its even more stupid i can go drink and ride a 1000cc bike legally but cant drive a V8 lol.
Blues Brother # 2
Just wait till you get of your P plates
SSM11K
Nah, I'm aware (roughly) of the numbers of P platers driving "Daddy's car"
What i'm saying if 'Daddy' is stupid enough to give their P plater kid a 368kw 2.2/2.6 tonne monster of a car... maybe Daddy isn't the smartest?
In my eyes, its more likely that Mummy, or Daddy would more than easily hand over their keys to their Volkswagon Golf, because its a little car, safe etc... as opposed to a $255,000, 2.6 tonne brick of a car...
Are we there yet?
Restrictions?what rectrictions?I dont even think they are enforced well.
I see heaps of red P platers with lowered suspension and big exhausts and the bloke in the black SV8 with a p plate attached to his custom plates(which included SV8 in the plate)i saw the other day wasnt trying to hide what he was driving.
Crap laws and poorly enforced in my poinion.
Are we there yet?
Rolling on 4 again :D
People who are obviously on their P's and driving cars like that most likely have exemptions to allow them to drive v8s etc. If you need one for work, for example.
In QLD, lowering suspension and modifying the exhaust is legal for p platers. The restrictions only apply to engine modifications which require a certified authority to fit a modification plate. Exhaust/headers do not need a mod plate, therefore they are legal.
captain halfajob
vic used to be power to weight, the problem ws cops were fining people (like myself) for driving car that they perceived to be over the power to weight, but were wrong. i went to court three times cos of that stupid rule and each time it was overturned cos i was able to prove that my car was legal.
must have wasted thousands of tax payer dollars in court fees all cos' of dumbarse cops who didnt listen.
i like this rule better it makes it easier for dumbarse cops and the tax payer benefits.
plus we now sell bucketloads of non turbo skylines
Except if it is a 4WD, then anyone can get busted for Hooning! lOWERING, RAISING, WIDENING are all anti social things the hoon laws will get you for in a 4WD in QLD, even if spotted locked-up in your driveway - keys out.
So what about the Petrol Turbo Charged Smart Car? Can P plater's drive those maniacle squirts?
Rolling on 4 again :D
Certain low-capacity FI cars are exempted from the banned car list, for example the suzuki cappucino; a 700cc turbo.Smart roadsters are exmpted, along with a couple of diahatsus, and some others I'm not certain of.
Blues Brother # 1
This is why i am saying they need to go through all the cars registered, Check the power to weight, and simply put LAC - Learner approved car on the rego sticker when your old rego lable is replaced, Make things more simple i would think. Would stop alot of confusion and fines for people that are not aware.
Rolling on 4 again :D
learner approved? i wasnt aware that learners in any state of australia had vehicle restrictions, only p platers?
Blues Brother # 1
except i think QLD, All other states Have learner approved Motorcycle scheme. They check the Power to weight ratio of them, and is no more then a 660cc bike when you are on Leaners, and P plates. And on the rego stickers they have LAM (Learner Approved Motorcycle) Just thinking maybe a similar system would be good for cars.
Moist
Being a Leaner in QLD - You are able to drive Turbo/Supercharged cars cant you?
You just cant drive em on your P's tho
Blues Brother # 1
I THink its the same as in NSW, I see Leaners in SSs etc, as thats all their parents own, and they need something to learn to drive in. Real smart putting someone in a car with no experience with that much power under there foot
Banned
Yep, the laws in essance are good. But poorly written and inforced. The general idea was on the right track, but they effed it up well and truely.
V8 HQ kingswood, if in "original" (rooted) condition would go about as hard as a stuffed VT v6. Yet a P plater cant drive it.
If you compare a VK VL 5ltr to a newer V6. They rough out about the same. So why does the number of cylinders matter?
People who have a clue should write the laws...
Rolling on 4 again :D
That is the case in QLD, one of my mates learned to drive in a VZ R8 clubby, then once he got his P's he had to go back to driving a celica. Of course, by that point he was already racing minis in Historics, gokarts on the weekends and building up to racing Formula Ford, they had just bought one.I THink its the same as in NSW, I see Leaners in SSs etc, as thats all their parents own, and they need something to learn to drive in. Real smart putting someone in a car with no experience with that much power under there foot
The theory is that with guidance they will be safe in those cars, but once they're on their own they'll do stupid things. At least, that must be the theory, or else the 25+ learners would also be restricted on which cars they can drive. If it was a concern about lack of experience then age would be irrelevant.
The Cult Of Personality
And the Toyota Aurion has a 5-star rating I believe, yet it develops 200kW. So technically you can't drive an Aurion, but an SV6 is fine.
All governments are just dictatorships when it comes down to what can and cannot be driven by P-Plates.
The power-to-weight restriction is the best way to go about it I think, but then your average copper wouldnt know the power and weight of every car to identify such restrictions.
How hard can it be?
We should try and make the all new Bugatti Veyron Diesel.
cruzen
i know here in n.s.w you can if there the only cars you have accses to. Well that was what i was told when i asked. When i was on my L plates i got to drive a few turbo cars since my friends took me driving as my rents could not
my 1996 vs berlina
http://forums.justcommodores.com.au/...s-berlina.html
So you cant drive a turbo diesel ? WTF
SkyFall
if i won lotto id buy one of those q7's, just to annoy the RTA
The Black Beauty
The Cult Of Personality
I'm pretty sure you'd go something better, just quietly.
I would, but then again, I'm not 19 anymore.
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