I want to make a poll

[vp_commo]

I want to make a poll.

The poll is: Do you think Holden should have stuck with V6 Buick? Meaning the new Buick engines available today.

Comment: Personally yes I think they are a great engine and even though they have a reputation for chugging fuel there is still a hell of a lot of them on the road and at the end of the day the fuel consumption is pretty good for an older engine.

could a mod make this into a poll for me please.

Cheers

Dan

[HamaTime™]

I disagree, I think the Ecotec is a far better motor than the Buick. Well it's basically the same in one sense but if I was to choose, I would always take the Ecotec.

[pillzor]

im all for advancements, even though i havent driven one ill go with they alloytec that we have now.
second to that ill say ecotec

[vp_commo]

I disagree, I think the Ecotec is a far better motor than the Buick. Well it's basically the same in one sense but if I was to choose, I would always take the Ecotec.

No No what I meant was that if Holden had of stayed with Buick we would now have the new Buick V6 that is currently in use in America.

It also my understanding that the ecotoec is a Buick, they just call them somthing different over there.

I do not mean go back to old engine I mean the new one available today, instead of going with the german alloytech we wouyld have the new Buick or some form of it.

Also does anyone know what sort of engine Buick are producing at the moment in the V6 market?
And does it have the advancements the alloytech has (things like quad cam, direct injection, alloy block).

Just by looking at the net it seems Buick use the alloytech as well now?
Maybe they do not amke a V6 anymore.

heres some stuff on the alloytech..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_High_Feature_engine#3.6

Dan

[_R_J_K_]

Just by looking at the net it seems Buick use the alloytech as well now?
Maybe they do not amke a V6 anymore.

GM High Feature engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well, if your going to quote Wikipedia - Buick V6 engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They apparently stopped making them two years ago.

No I don't think Holden should have stuck with it. If there's a better motor, why not use it? The Alloytec makes 190kw for roughly the same amount of fuel usage (just off the top of my head). It's also about cost reduction for GM. This is a GM wide motor, i.e. many brands of car use the same motor. It doesn't make sense for one branch to still be supporting an outdated platform after a new one has been developed. If each branch of GM had their own motor, it would get pretty pricey for GM. Would it have been cheaper for Holden to re-engineer the Aussie 5 litre (i.e. a motor that is proprietry to the Holden branch of GM), or use the LS1, a more recent and better engineered motor that is mass produced for GM platforms?

[vp_commo]

Well, if your going to quote Wikipedia - Buick V6 engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They apparently stopped making them two years ago.

No I don't think Holden should have stuck with it. If there's a better motor, why not use it? The Alloytec makes 190kw for roughly the same amount of fuel usage (just off the top of my head). It's also about cost reduction for GM. This is a GM wide motor, i.e. many brands of car use the same motor. It doesn't make sense for one branch to still be supporting an outdated platform after a new one has been developed. If each branch of GM had their own motor, it would get pretty pricey for GM. Would it have been cheaper for Holden to re-engineer the Aussie 5 litre (i.e. a motor that is proprietry to the Holden branch of GM), or use the LS1, a more recent and better engineered motor that is mass produced for GM platforms?

I was saying..(geeez)... not stuck with the old Buick, but stayed on with the company to get the new Buick available today (which actually is not available at all)...

You are right, they have stopped making them and the reason I posted the alloytech link is because it shows a few interesting points.

1.) Buick themselves use the alloytech (world engine), so my poll would not have made sense.
2.) wiki claims the alloytech was the product of an amalgamation between GM and Cadilac...it fails to mention the engine is in fact German designed.

And personally some may produce 190kw (most dont), but they are in bigger cars, so in effect they use the same amount of fuel as a 20 year old engine and really need that power to push the huge cars they are in.

I am sure they are great engines, I was just interested to see opinions as I have also heard owners complain of them, I know somone who just bought a VE (close family) upgraded from a VR, and says he would never buy one again, they rev too much and use too much fuel.

It is no wonder they now have a upgraded gearbox and direct injection.

cheers

Dan

[thedeadwalk]

what about the new sidi?

[vp_commo]

what about the new sidi?

yes direct injection..what about it?
sounds ok to me, especially with fuel the way it is.

sorry I must have edited my post when you were making a reply.

cheers

Dan

[_R_J_K_]

...it fails to mention the engine is in fact German designed.

And personally some may produce 190kw (most dont),

Does it matter if they're designed by Germans? The Germans would have simply been subcontracted by GM (Cadillac is also owned by GM).

And I'm pretty sure most (if not all) of the 3.6 VE engines are 190kw output (unless somebody says otherwise).

What would have been the real advantage to having a Series III Buick anyway? How different are they to Ecotecs and 3800's? Remember, car companies are under increasing pressure to produce a more efficient/environmental engine. It's GM's perogative to move to a motor as highly touted (apparently) as the Alloytec.

[DerekP]

Bring back the 308 blue motor I say!!

[VKCOMMO]

you know you can make a poll yourself...

[vp_commo]

you know you can make a poll yourself...

yes how?

luckily I wasnt too sure about this one so I posted it up here.

Dan

[vp_commo]

Does it matter if they're designed by Germans? The Germans would have simply been subcontracted by GM (Cadillac is also owned by GM).

And I'm pretty sure most (if not all) of the 3.6 VE engines are 190kw output (unless somebody says otherwise).

What would have been the real advantage to having a Series III Buick anyway? How different are they to Ecotecs and 3800's? Remember, car companies are under increasing pressure to produce a more efficient/environmental engine. It's GM's perogative to move to a motor as highly touted (apparently) as the Alloytec.

Like I said I was never comparing the old style Buick to the alloytech.

[Ozzie]

You only favor the buick because you have one.
Do us all a favor and drive an ecotec b4 you choose.

[ClairBear]

I want to make a poll.

Then why didn't you go to the poll section and make one?

[_R_J_K_]

Like I said I was never comparing the old style Buick to the alloytech.

Um... Series III Buick is the engine your talking about yeah? The one in production since 2004?

[TVR-190]

there all 6's in the end anyway.....

therefore they are shit. remember?

[pillzor]

there all 6's in the end anyway.....

therefore they are shit. remember?

then v8s are shit because v10s are available and v10s are shithouse because v12s are available and commodores are shit because ferraris are available ..... or were you being sarcastic?

[VKCOMMO]

yes how?

luckily I wasnt too sure about this one so I posted it up here.

Dan

ok..

when making a new thread just make your normal thread, then when your done scroll to the bottom of the page and you'll see a checkbox saying Post A Poll With This Thread.

check that box and choose the number of options. then click the make new thread button and it will take you to your poll


EDIT: did you try to make my name but with a VP??? lol

[HamaTime™]

there all 6's in the end anyway.....

therefore they are shit. remember?

I disagree with that statement. Even if you were being sarcastic, I want to expand on that because V6's, even the Ecotec can be brought up to 290 rwkw.

In my opinion I like V8's better, because of their sound, their prestige, their torque and their power capabilities. But that doesn't mean that V6's are shit.

Anyone who denounces a V6, primarily because it has 6 cylinders is a little cookoo...

as said before, V10's are better than V8's....V12's are better than V10's etc etc etc....

[vp_commo]

You only favor the buick because you have one.
Do us all a favor and drive an ecotec b4 you choose.

Ecotec is a Buick, I think in America it is the series III?

cmon, I don't think people understood what I was trying to say..fact is what I was trying to say did not make sense because they don't make the Buick V6 line anymore...(since 2008)

Dan

[vp_commo]

Um... Series III Buick is the engine your talking about yeah? The one in production since 2004?

Well I think not, if it is not in production anymore I obviously made a mistake in assuming they still had one.

Dan

[_R_J_K_]

Ecotec is a Buick, I think in America it is the series III?

No, there are more than two variations of the Buick 3800. Go back to that Wiki page I linked to before and it will detail all of the Buick V6 variations including the turbo and supercharged versions.

These are the main variations relevant to this thread. It goes -

LN2/L27 - 3800 - VN - VR
L36 - Ecotec (Series II) - VS - VY
L26 - Series III - Whatever they put it in in America, they weren't used over here.

When people say "Buick", they mean the L27 3800. Ecotec's (L36) are refined Buick's, and as such are not interchangeable.

When you said "new Buick", I assumed you were talking about the SIII L26 (that had been produced from 2004 - 2008) the entire time. The VZ was introduced in 2004 with the Alloytec.

[VzVzVz]

The alloytec is an awesome engine. I would'nt want anything else out of a v6. I understand the ecotec was a popular block for some time, but Holden did need a new powerplant, and they found a damn good one.

I say, keep using the alloytec until there is a better high displacement 6 available.

[excalibur]

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