Zero Blood Alcohol laws being Investigated

[Tsunamix]

Zero Blood Alcohol Laws a Possibility ??

This is a tender published by the Queensland government. they are considering paying for research into Zero BAC for Motorcycle riders.

If effective in reducing injuries, we could see it spread to vehicles.

Bring it on !

[DanielGreen]

Its a good idea
go drink a damn Coke if your gonna drive or the pubs could bring in none alcoholic beer.

[GetToDaChopa]

Damn right, it's about time.

[acex1138]

good idea, not good for implimentation tho. Your two problems are diabetics & medication.

As we all know the devices measure the acetone in the breath (from what ive been told) so there for diabetics always read wrong..... and if you have a cough or anything and take any of the usual remedies you will blow .0001

i got no problem with the limit being changed from .05 to .02 tho.... gets rid of the stupid idea from people that they have a 'safe amount' of alcohol to drink. I remember my alcoholic father as a kid always dragging us out for dinner having 2 drinks and then starting a third as an excuse to stay another 2 hours at a shitty pub gambling because he had to 'wait to be at a safe level to drive again' when you could still tell he was over the limit.

[vt1538]

I disagree. Lowering the BAC to 0 is only another revenue raising ploy. You go out & have 1 beer & you are screwed, even some desert dishes will make you unfit to drive(by this stupid idea)
Harsher penalties & jail time for those who break the existing laws is a much better option IMHO.

[minux]

I disagree. Lowering the BAC to 0 is only another revenue raising ploy. You go out & have 1 beer & you are screwed, even some desert dishes will make you unfit to drive(by this stupid idea)
Harsher penalties & jail time for those who break the existing laws is a much better option IMHO.

Well said. This nanny country bullshit is getting very tiring.

[DanielGreen]

but still why drink that one beer if someone said to me i cant have a coke then ill get a lemonade
so why drink a beer when you could as easily drink something none alcoholic.

And we all know its hard to stop at one beer
DAMN YOU BEER WHY DO YOU TASTE SO GOOD!!!

[06vzcalais]

.02 is a better option. I have a mate in NSW whom lost his license (P Plater) after leaving a restaurant, little to his knowledge they dressed the desert in an orange liqueur he blew .02 the police said if you eat out request a meal without alcohol and make a point of it,
its the same as medicine, if you take it you cant drive (plenty of medicines that dont contain alcohol and wont give you a reading) thats what i was told from a bloke at the RTA....

if you wanna drink stay home and do it or catch a cab to the pub
just my opinion

[minux]

but still why drink that one beer if someone said to me i cant have a coke then ill get a lemonade
so why drink a beer when you could as easily drink something none alcoholic.

If i wanted something other than a beer, I'd go to a milk bar.

And we all know its hard to stop at one beer

Speak for yourself, I quite often pull into a pub on the way home from being out for a nice cold beer.

.02 is a better option. I have a mate in NSW whom lost his license (P Plater) after leaving a restaurant, little to his knowledge they dressed the desert in an orange liqueur he blew .02 the police said if you eat out request a meal without alcohol and make a point of it,
its the same as medicine, if you take it you cant drive (plenty of medicines that dont contain alcohol and wont give you a reading) thats what i was told from a bloke at the RTA....

Common sense says to make sure you know what your eating, this isnt an excuse to change the legal limit.

if you wanna drink stay home and do it or catch a cab to the pub
just my opinion

Or how about we realise .05 has zero effect on drivers which is why it is perfectly legal?

We have lost so many liberties that have no effect on the public, adding this to the list is just another nail in the coffin of the nanny state that is Australia.
Instead of wasting money on changing a law that doesn't need to be changed, perhaps they should be out there finding ways of stopping drug dealers, rapists, murderers and the like. They cant make easy revenue from these criminals though, so easier to fine people for enjoying a beer or 2.

[06vzcalais]

i was using the example of how easy it is to get a reading not as an excuse
haha another revenue raising rant love it
we can say what we want but in reality if the gov wants to do it they will do it ranting on a forum wont make a difference

[vt1538]

.02 is a better option. I have a mate in NSW whom lost his license (P Plater) after leaving a restaurant, little to his knowledge they dressed the desert in an orange liqueur he blew .02 the police said if you eat out request a meal without alcohol and make a point of it,
its the same as medicine, if you take it you cant drive (plenty of medicines that dont contain alcohol and wont give you a reading) thats what i was told from a bloke at the RTA....

if you wanna drink stay home and do it or catch a cab to the pub
just my opinion

I am unlucky enough to live in a town where drink driving is a major issue as well as the cause of a high portion of our road incidents. A 0 or 0.02 BAC will not stop this from happening. The weak slap on the wrist for offenders does nothing & never will.
About a year ago, a "local" left court with the typical license suspension & fine etc for a high reading BAC. This same person was pulled over 2 hrs later & blew another high reading over 0.1. This while obviously unlicensed, & also in an unregistered, unroadworthy car.
Another individual has over 13 high level drink driving offences. Great deterrents these fines etc are. Crush the cars & jail the drivers. Unfortunately our pack of tossers in government wont as it will "disadvantage these peoples families".
FWIW there was a study a few years ago when the BAC was being dropped from 0.08 to 0.05. It showed that there was zero incidents recorded between these two readings. Meaning in a perverse kind of way that you would be much safer driving with a BAC of 0.07 than below 0.05 or over 0.08.

[06vzcalais]

there is jail terms for repeat offenders unless you have kids ect ect
i dont disagree that the punishments should be harsher, there should be some set uniformity with these laws take away judge discresion JAIL THEM ALL on a second offence..
everyone stuffs up atleast once in a lifetime or makes a silly decision but if you make this decision twice you go to jail..
when i went to court in december, a bloke was drunk, he mounted the curb on the wrong side of the road then drove over a footpath then back onto the road infront of a police car, the magistrate gave him a 6 month suspension and a $2500 fine he coulda killed someone

[DerekP]

...."We have lost so many liberties that have no effect on the public, adding this to the list is just another nail in the coffin of the nanny state that is Australia.
Instead of wasting money on changing a law that doesn't need to be changed, perhaps they should be out there finding ways of stopping drug dealers, rapists, murderers and the like. They cant make easy revenue from these criminals though, so easier to fine people for enjoying a beer or 2."

Couldn't agree more. We have more than enough freekin laws governing what we can and can't do....

[PaRaDoX]

Its a good idea
or the pubs could bring in none alcoholic beer.

lol im sure that'll catch on!

i like the fact that the next day after having a big night, i can get in my car around mid day feeling and know i am alright to go to the shops to get some hangover cure food.

i'll rarely ever have a beer and drive if i do ill wait till i feel %100 sober, if i think im anywhere near 0.5 i wont go near my car. this rule is to stop abusers, but really if the police want to stop abusive drink drivers they need more booze buses & breath testing operations, if this means more taxes then so be it, or they could just direct funds from the millions of dolars wasted through stuipid goverment initiaves that were never going to work from the start.

[greenfoam]

Well said. This nanny country bullshit is getting very tiring.

That Dutch guy from the forum with the Monza came to visit me, he couldn't beleive how bullshit the laws in Australia are and the Police over bearing you all the time. He thought it was very strange (compared to Europe) which I'm sure beats us in every sensible way possible. My wife is not from here also and she thinks it's just stupid. For me that's the number one problem with this country at the moment, excessive laws. Every adult in the country gets treated as if they are 5 years old and in the end it'll turn everyone into 5 year olds

[greenfoam]

We should have a new slogan for the place. "Australia, where everything is banned" :P

[ClairBear]

so why drink a beer when you could as easily drink something none alcoholic.

And we all know its hard to stop at one beer

I live about 25ks from my work place and have a Company car. After work on Friday I like to go next door the the pub and have an alcholic beverage with my work mates. I can stop at one easily.

Why should I be denied a relaxing drink with my colleagues? For the record, I don't drink soft drinks, only water. Bit sad drinking a water in the pub don't you think?

[SS 1998]

i reckon leave it @ .05........like ppl are sayin 1-2 beers isnt guna effect ur drivin........its the idiots that drink all nite n think they can drive home down the back streets n crash coz they think they can rally there car @ the same tym.......it happened jus round the corner from me @ 5 in the morning on xmas day......2 cars racing back streets n 1 car rolled n hit a power pole 2 metres off the ground.......the guy drivin(who was way over the limit) was seriously injuried and his gf was pregnant and lost her baby who was due in a month.........the guy is a repeat offender of drink drivin coz 2 months b4 this he rid his gf car off from drink driving........the consequences aint harsh enough 4 ppl who are repeat offenders..........dont no wat happened 2 him afta this but i do no that he didnt get any jail tym.......

[elemeNtz]

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[Tsunamix]

See - I don't buy your 'a bit of tolerance' arguments.

In terms of those with agenuine medical condition - have there licenses endorsed with such and then the officer on the spot can decide wether there minuscule but not zero reading is appropriate or not. If it is appropriate then they are on their way. if not - back to the Shop for a more exact reading, same as every other offender.

It seems young people cant be trusted with either alcohol or a drivers licencse so I can understand zero tolerance there. Zero tolerance for P plate holders seems ideal, event if no-one else is affected.

I'm sorry if your not young and feel affected by the POTENTIAL laws, but the fact is - alcohol kills more than speed, so should have stricter controls.

Bear this in mind - its really important.

because of Australias very low population per square kilometer, Austrlai MUST cost more than any european country to live in. Even if it is indirect taxation, the cost of living per head in OZ will always be very high. 3 times Europe - due to distances between centres, small populations to bear the cost of ALL infrastructure (comparatively) and the difficulties managing such comparatively large areas.

[minux]

Tsunamix, do you have a real figure on how many people die driving at over .05 and how many die over the speed limit?

I still stand by this ruling, .05 for everyone, go over, .00 for life. Much easier to enforce then changing a mass of laws that really dont do anything, drink drivers will still drink drive...

[hsvpunk]

im sorry, but how many times do we see bikes being pulled up at a booze bus??

Minux, great week for quotes from you, lol.
love it

If i wanted something other than a beer, I'd go to a milk bar.

[STEALTHY™]

Or how about we realise .05 has zero effect on drivers which is why it is perfectly legal?

We have lost so many liberties that have no effect on the public, adding this to the list is just another nail in the coffin of the nanny state that is Australia.
Instead of wasting money on changing a law that doesn't need to be changed, perhaps they should be out there finding ways of stopping drug dealers, rapists, murderers and the like. They cant make easy revenue from these criminals though, so easier to fine people for enjoying a beer or 2.

Why dont you have a beer and then catch a taxi home? Fact is the country IS a nanny state. Everything is restricted, so alcohol should be too (and cigarettes should be outlawed next)


I'm all for the reduction, but i still think there needs to be some sore of cover. Maybe 0.01 or something, so you know if your drinking alcohol, you shouldn't be driving at all.
Along with this, there should be harsher penalties. There will always be drunks who will be happy to risk driving, but if your faced with 10 years jail, i'm sure most peple who enjoy a few brews will think about a taxi in future.

[Rufus®]

I'm sorry if your not young and feel affected by the POTENTIAL laws, but the fact is - alcohol kills more than speed, so should have stricter controls..

How many accidents are caused by, and people die from, having a BAC of between .01 and .05?

[greenfoam]

Well I don't drink or smoke so it doesn't worry me and clearly the country would be nicer and more crime free zone without them BUT I can't agree with being told to do things I don't think are right so no one else should have to either so it's against my beliefs in that way