E10 to replace unleaded

[vkberlina]

The NSW goventment has announced they will be phasing out unleaded and E10 will be replacing it, giving no option to consumers who require non ethanol blend fuel to begin using premium fuels


The New South Wales Government is ensuring biofuels will become more widely available through a mandate requiring that 4% of the total volume of petrol sold in NSW is ethanol and that 2% of the total volume of diesel sold in NSW is biodiesel.

The required ethanol percentage will increase to 6% on 1 January 2011 and from 1 July 2011, all regular grade unleaded petrol (ULP) will be replaced by E10.

The required biodiesel percentage will increase to 5% from 1 January 2012.

Page Contents - Office of Biofuels

NB: they are talking % of volume of sales not % of ethanol in fuel



Also holden and ethanol for the future.
Alternative Fuels - Ecoline - Holden Innovation - Holden. Go better.


I certainly miss the good old lead super fuel days where I knew my VK was running right by the light grey color of the inside of the tail pipe

cheers
Scott

[TVR-190]

old news, theres only a couple stations left here with regular unleaded

[minux]

I am so sick of these lefty pro-green governments force feeding their shit down our throats.

Wont be long before they force fuel makers to use ethanol in all fuels. What regulations are in place to make sure fakers arent adding in more than they should?

[TVR-190]

I am so sick of these lefty pro-green governments force feeding their shit down our throats.

Wont be long before they force fuel makers to use ethanol in all fuels. What regulations are in place to make sure fakers arent adding in more than they should?

they wont worry about that til some cars catch fire and burn down.

[Ozzie]

Will be good for the european market.

It will be like brisbane fasing out the rain water tanks then realising years later "hey shit we need them now"

As TVR stated, when cars blow up unexpectedly they will realise their mistake.

[azkwazere]

Will be good for the european market.

It will be like brisbane fasing out the rain water tanks then realising years later "hey shit we need them now"

As TVR stated, when cars blow up unexpectedly they will realise their mistake.

Lol, so long as peter garret isn't running it... then it will take serveal deaths and a few hundred car fires before the project is scrapped... oh then every car will need to be inspected to make sure they aren't using E10fuel...

aZk.

[DannyboyDS]

It's just like when lead was phased out and anyone with old heads had to use an additive, I remember I had to do it. except to get your car running correctly and safe on an ethanol blend requires a little more work.

If you have alloy heads you should pull them off and have the alloy treated / coated as ethanol is corrosive on soft metals, new fuel pump, lines possibly is it possible to add a water arrestor or something to stop water getting into the combustion chamber? then again a little moisture isn't the end of the world it will stop the evil dreaded carbon build up.

It would be nice if they offered some choice though.

[stevoss]

bring on e85 at every servo high boost & high comp (on a car designed to use it) wouldnt touch e10

[VzVzVz]

It makes sense, i guess. As far as fuel's concerned, Australia is so far behind in clean emissions standards. There should be a global restriction on the amount of nox and particulants new vehicles are permitted to produce. It is very strict in the trucking industry and I think it should'nt be too hard to adapt systems like EGR and SCR to function passenger vehicles.

[danja]

People bad mouth ethanol fuels because they don't understand them. There's nothing wrong with ethanol from a scientific standpoint. If the engine is designed with ethanol in mind, it's fine - just like LPG.

[Grennan]

People bad mouth ethanol fuels because they don't understand them. There's nothing wrong with ethanol from a scientific standpoint. If the engine is designed with ethanol in mind, it's fine - just like LPG.

Yeah and how many engines and fuel systems are designed with ethanol in mind in this country? Not a lot.

[DannyboyDS]

just out of interest, has anyone looked into the ammount of emmisions created to produce ethanol? as opposed to conventional LPG, you may find ethanol isn't all that green.

[wraith]

just out of interest, has anyone looked into the ammount of emmisions created to produce ethanol? as opposed to conventional LPG, you may find ethanol isn't all that green.

Yeah I remember they did a study about that. Although it reduces tail pipe emissions the emissions used to create it in the first place was extremely bad.

[Cobez]

I am so sick of these lefty pro-green governments force feeding their shit down our throats.

Wont be long before they force fuel makers to use ethanol in all fuels. What regulations are in place to make sure fakers arent adding in more than they should?

That's when we all buy semi's, or big old turbo diesel 4WD's that POUR out diesel smoke, and we all **** the greenies right back up their arses.

[wraith]

That's when we all buy semi's, or big old turbo diesel 4WD's that POUR out diesel smoke, and we all **** the greenies right back up their arses.

A diesel SS. That would be interesting to say the least.

[Cobez]

That would be awesome.

[Tim Smtih]

If the engine is designed with ethanol in mind, it's fine - just like LPG.

Um, so how long until the ecotec in my vx dies after using E10?

[rb26dett]

Been running my dailys on E10 for ages, never had a problem.

[calais24/7]

I am avoiding the stuff and seriously DannyBoyDS All that just to run e10 crap, i don't think so.

[Tsunamix]

I seriously don't know where you people get your wrong info from.

In making Ethanol, almost NO carbon produced, while a hell of a lot is taken OUT of the atmosphere. Ethanol is made from waste biomass. Growing any sort of plants Captures carbon. The plants take it out of the atnmosphere as carbon dioxide, and turn it into wood/plant matter. It's then mulched (some emissioins from whatever supplies the power for the mulcher) then its bacteriologically broken down into alcohol blends. This alcohol blend is fractionated (split by boiling) into ethanol/methanol/wood alcohol and waste products. the waste products are used as fertiliser and stockfeed.

The tailpipe emissions from E10 are identical to unleaded. On a per ltre basis ethanol is only 2/3 that of unleaded, but its also only produces only 2/3rds the energy of unleaded. So you burn more, produce the same carbon by products at the tailpipe.

But you dont have to refine biomass made ethanols like you do crude oil. Much less energy consumption and related carbon by products like tar / fuels / oils / gases there.

if your car has been made since 1990 in Australia, it's safe in 99% of the cases, to run E10. You will notice a little higher consumption (see energy values) and a little more performance (higher octane) from it. You will not see hoses hardening breaking unless you use 30 year old rubber hoses. Your car won't run rough unless it's a bad batch of fuel, but you face that risk with every type of fuel.

Diesel sucks, the carbon particulates it generates are carcinogenic.

[bloodyricho]

missus put bloody E10 in my ride the other day. Its tuned to premium and i can tell u i was not doing the enviroment any favours cause i was chewing 50% more fuel till I got all the shit out. But on the other hand run it in a standard Buick for 2 weeks pull out your plugs, stick the plugs back in and then run on unleaded for 2 weeks pull plugs and then say loudy Oh F@#K E10 ain't so bad for my donk. Still booze is for drinkin not driving on add more ethenol to our booze and lower the price more people will be pissed and unable to drive then we have a happy voter and a cleaner enviroment WIN WIN !

[calais24/7]

Tsunamix your saying that any commodore prior to a vn shouldn't run e10, Thanks assholes i have to either find a servo with unleaded or run premuim

[danja]

Yeah and how many engines and fuel systems are designed with ethanol in mind in this country? Not a lot.

The Royal Society (and they are quite clever blokes) say that pretty much any EFI car produced in the last 15-20 years can handle 5-10% ethanol blends without needing any modification.

http://royalsociety.org/WorkArea/Dow...t.aspx?id=5501

The interesting part about phasing out regular ULP completely, is that this is also effectively bumping up the minimum octane rating of available fuel (E10 is nearly the same as 95RON). I expect vehicle manufacturers will leverage this quite quickly to bump up compression ratios and squeeze more performance out of their engines, which would be a good thing!

[Tsunamix]

heh..15-20 years ago. so thats 1990-1995. Funny that.

[danja]

heh..15-20 years ago. so thats 1990-1995. Funny that.

According to that report the part of the fuel system which struggles the most with E5-10 is actually the carburettor, and it was around 1990 that most cars became EFI (some before, some after, but the transition was pretty much in the late 80's).