Vic top cop carries bullets on plane

[vr94ss]

Just wondering what you all think about this? Many of you say "if you f* up then just cop the punishment, you broke the law." What should happen to this man? Same as everyone else? Let off? Harshest punishment as he absolutely knew the law and has no excuse? Is there one law for all or one for them and one for the rest of the peons? I'll be out there and say the last. If he's an upholder of the law he should cop(no pun intended) the most stringent sanctions.. To use the language those in power usually use, "send a message this will not be tolerated by anyone." If he is let off anyone that "makes a mistake" should be let off.

Sky News: Vic top cop carries bullets on plane

[sik_dose]

what good are with bullets and no gun? wat you gonna do, throw em? besides hes a highly trusted member of society whos job involves him carrying a weapon on his person. Verry different to you or i taking bullets onto a plane. I rekon honest mistake and call it a day.

[vr94ss]

what good are with bullets and no gun? wat you gonna do, throw em? besides hes a highly trusted member of society whos job involves him carrying a weapon on his person. Verry different to you or i taking bullets onto a plane. I rekon honest mistake and call it a day.

Is that the point? Then why are the laws in place in the first place? They contain explosives and a quick trip to the dunny could convert them to.. ? .. The cartridges may not have contained smokeless powder but something more explosive. Do you know how easy it is to make a pen pistol? None of the aforementioned stuff is relevant really.. Did he break the law? If so what should the punishment be? You'd be in gaol if you made the same mistake so are you going to excuse him, someone that would send you to gaol, for doing the same thing? Are there two laws or one?

Edit: Why is it different to you or I? We don't make mistakes but police do and should be forgiven?

[ClairBear]

The chief commissioner carries a firearm for security reasons and whilst he had removed the firearm from his bag prior to travel yesterday, he overlooked removing the magazine," the statement said.

It was an error on his part, therefore why should he be punished? You have never made an honest mistake in your life?

Given his rank in the Police Force I doubt he would head to the toilet and convert the bullets into anything, you watch too much American TV lol. I am sure given his position he is highly embarrassed and will ensure next time he digs around his bag more thoroughly.

[Bravotwozero]

Just wondering what you all think about this? Many of you say "if you f* up then just cop the punishment, you broke the law." What should happen to this man? Same as everyone else? Let off? Harshest punishment as he absolutely knew the law and has no excuse? Is there one law for all or one for them and one for the rest of the peons? I'll be out there and say the last. If he's an upholder of the law he should cop(no pun intended) the most stringent sanctions.. To use the language those in power usually use, "send a message this will not be tolerated by anyone." If he is let off anyone that "makes a mistake" should be let off.

Sky News: Vic top cop carries bullets on plane

Most laws are only implemented to protect stupid people from themselves.

[Sabbath']

It was an error on his part, therefore why should he be punished? You have never made an honest mistake in your life?

There are laws, there are consequences. The manner of those consequences seems to be the issue here.

If you make an honest mistake, and chirp your tyres from the line because you let the clutch out too fast, you can have your car impounded under hoon laws. Because that's what the law states and that's the degree the law can be followed to.

Mistake or not, you've broken the law.

Also, are there not procedures for booking out ammunition and being responsible for it while it is in your possession?

[jules]

i think he should cop a fine

[STEALTHY™]

There are laws, there are consequences. The manner of those consequences seems to be the issue here.

If you make an honest mistake, and chirp your tyres from the line because you let the clutch out too fast, you can have your car impounded under hoon laws. Because that's what the law states and that's the degree the law can be followed to.

Mistake or not, you've broken the law.

Also, are there not procedures for booking out ammunition and being responsible for it while it is in your possession?

The story was gone by the time i clicked the link, but going by the quote in clairs post, the gun and bullets are always in his control, so obviously when its not ON him, its in a safe at his house. Thats where the gun would be.....

I think the bigger issue here is how he got past all the screening processes to actually get the bullets on the plane (And if the title is wrong and he infact didn't get them on the plane, the system works, and his error was found, end of story, storm in a teacup etc)

[jules]

he carried them on a flight to Canberra - through security, on the plane, off the plane. it's an offence with up to a $110k fine (actually 2 counts is probably $220k).

he only got caught on the return flight.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

So, he's going to get away with it because of the badge he wears? How typical....A law for us and a law for them.

[Swordsy]

...storm in a teacup etc)

I think this sums it up nicely.

[STEALTHY™]

So, he's going to get away with it because of the badge he wears? How typical....A law for us and a law for them.

I dont see it like that. He's allowed to carry a gun, most of the rest of the population cant!

Next you'll be asking cops be arrested for carrying their issued guns/tasers.....

[Blown V6 Hatch]

It's quiet clear that one cannot carry guns/bullets (or any weapon for that matter) on a plane....So, why should a copper be exempt from the rule?

[STEALTHY™]

It's quiet clear that one cannot carry guns/bullets (or any weapon for that matter) on a plane....So, why should a copper be exempt from the rule?

Air Marshals can (basically a cop.....)
The issue here is the screening processes failed, not that a person carried something illegal on a plane.....

[Tim Smtih]

what good are with bullets and no gun? wat you gonna do, throw em? besides hes a highly trusted member of society whos job involves him carrying a weapon on his person. Verry different to you or i taking bullets onto a plane. I rekon honest mistake and call it a day.

Exactly. Mistakes happen, yes even to coppers. I've no idea why they would be able to carry firearms to perform their job, yet not allowed to carry them on a plane. They're still deadly whether in the air or on the ground. The important thing is that they are in the hands of a trained professional. Case closed.

[Rufus®]

Air Marshals can (basically a cop.....)
The issue here is the screening processes failed, not that a person carried something illegal on a plane.....

So it's ok to do something illegal, as long as you dont't get caught?

[Blown V6 Hatch]

Air Marshals can (basically a cop.....)
The issue here is the screening processes failed, not that a person carried something illegal on a plane.....

So, if it was Joe public it would be "oh, the screening process failed" he shouldn't be fined....Hardly. If a law is in place, EVERYONE should abide by it or suffer the consequences.

[ClairBear]

In a general sense you and I - the general public - are not allowed to carry weapons. Therefore the rules are in place to protect the public from ourselves. However Police are entrusted with weapons to keep the peace. Therefore in this instance we don't have a general member of public who is carrying bullets that they shouldn't be anyway, we have Police Commissioner who is pretty much licenced to kill in a matter of speaking who forgot to take ammunition he is allowed to carry out of his bag.

As Nathan said, the issue is more the lack of security that is in place to protect us from potential danger from terrorists etc, not a Police Commissioner.

[Tim Smtih]

If a law is in place, EVERYONE should abide by it or suffer the consequences.

By the sounds of it you have an agenda against coppers. If you are that outraged take it to your local member of parliament, no sense in arguing for the sake of arguing.

[soop]

Agreed.
Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law.
You can't roll up to court and explain "Oh woe is me, i didnt know it was a 50km/h zone". They'd say too bad, you should have been more aware.
This guy CERTAINLY should have been more aware given his position. If I did excatly the same thing i'd be just about shot. Just saying "he didnt have a gun" is moot, they'll still arrest you for carrying an empty gun.

Edit:
Can't see how he is being biased. Why should police get special treatment? If anything they should be more accountable.

[Blown V6 Hatch]

No, i don't have anything against coppers....Why is it, as soon as someone disagrees with a copper not getting punished, they have something against them? The only thing i have against them, is that sometimes the attitude that comes attached to the badge, but that's a minority. I'm not upset about it, it makes no difference to me, i just think it's wrong thats all.

Look at Ken Lay when he got done for speeding, he took it on the chin, payed the fine and got on with his job. Which in my eyes, is exactly how it should be...Yes, they delayed making it public, but with good reason.

[danja]

What benefit would there be in putting him in jail for this? Sounds like people just want him to be punished out of spite, not because it would actually be a productive outcome.

[TVR-190]

big woop, i dont see the issue. im willing to bet most people have taken something on a plane they shouldnt have without noticing, i took a lighter, another family member got scissors into carry on.

[ClairBear]

big woop, i dont see the issue. im willing to bet most people have taken something on a plane they shouldnt have without noticing, i took a lighter, another family member got scissors into carry on.

Exactly. He did it by accident. I am quite sure he is more than aware of the rules and the consequences if caught so why would he risk so much? If he had done it knowingly it might be a different story.

[sik_dose]

its not the same as if i did it, because i have no right to posses ammunition or a gun full stop. he dose had the right to carry one so the bullets dident make their way into his bag from god knows where. im glad it was him and not osama.