Webber attacks Nanny State

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Mark Webber attacks 'nanny state'

Well done to mark for coming out and saying this, it is about time someone with a high profile stuck it up these useless idiots attempting to run the state(note run our lives).

[TVR-190]

also be sure to vote in the poll on that article, but only if you vote for yes.

[50LTRv8]

so it is o.k. to be stupid in a car on a public road as long as your an F1 driver?

[HamaTime™]

I couldn't agree with Webber more!

With all due respect to Vic Roads, Victoria Police and the Government, they are trying to fix a vital problem. However, as rightly said, it has become a 'nanny state' in the sense that we all are bound so tightly to a set of rules as to what we can and cannot do that we must essentially read an instruction manual to life when we get out of bed to remind ourselves about how we are up to the neck in rules, laws, legislation, bureaucracy, knee jerk reactionary politics etc. The government just keeps applying 'band aid' legislation to the problem, for a small cut in the arm of the road users, there are that many 'band aid' laws that none of them are sticking. P plate legislation, speeding laws, anti hoon laws...the lot of them are so over the top, and none of them are fixing the problem.

Ken Lay and his team think that they are preserving the safety of people, explain why more people are dying on the road Ken? Explain how countries with better driver education and far less road rules have a much lower road toll (I.e. Germany etc). And you, the government and Vic Roads still have the nerve to say we have 'the fairest and safest roads'. Bullshit.

Full marks Webber, stick it to them!

so it is o.k. to be stupid in a car on a public road as long as your an F1 driver?

This isn't about Lewis Hamilton totally, we are talking about how controlled our society and roads are. We are basically one step away from having Swiss road rules, where you go to prison for slightly speeding. Lewis Hamilton did the wrong thing according to our laws, but our laws are so strict compared to Europe is basically what Webber is saying. Yes we do have a hoon problem in Australia where things do get slightly out of hand, i.e. speeding cars smashing into other cars killing 10 people in one go, but the thing is, the legislation that is supposed to prevent or provide consequences for that happening does not 'PREVENT' these situations from occuring. They apply the blanket 'band aid' policy and just create a harsh legislation with so many faults and throw it at the problem, hoping it will work. It never does. This is why Australian society as a whole is subject to 'reactionary' politics, which is exactly what I just described.

There is a fine line with road laws, because you have sensible, skilled, safe drivers that might pull the odd burnout or fishy now or then...but then you have nutcase muzzas and idiots who constantly abuse the law and drive in unsafe fashion all the time. The laws are meant to prevent the 'worst case scenario'. However they never or rarely get caught. It's like with fixed speed cameras, they're supposed to curb speeding drivers, yeah they will catch the odd hoon, 90% of the time they will catch someone who has had a momentary loss of concentration and for 5k over you get done. And the government and Vic Roads and Vic Police hide behind the excuse that it is 'creating a safer road'. Yeah but on a scale of 1 to 100 of how effective it is, I wouldn't even give it a full 1. It's revenue raising and a blanket 'band aid' policy that is one of the thousands of laws that are 'meant' to be creating a safer road, but they aren't.

[Cúl-Báire]

I couldn't agree with Webber more!

With all due respect to Vic Roads, Victoria Police and the Government, they are trying to fix a vital problem. However, as rightly said, it has become a 'nanny state' in the sense that we all are bound so tightly to a set of rules as to what we can and cannot do that we must essentially read an instruction manual to life when we get out of bed to remind ourselves about how we are up to the neck in rules, laws, legislation, bureaucracy, knee jerk reactionary politics etc. The government just keeps applying 'band aid' legislation to the problem, for a small cut in the arm of the road users, there are that many 'band aid' laws that none of them are sticking. P plate legislation, speeding laws, anti hoon laws...the lot of them are so over the top, and none of them are fixing the problem.

Ken Lay and his team think that they are preserving the safety of people, explain why more people are dying on the road Ken? Explain how countries with better driver education and far less road rules have a much lower road toll (I.e. Germany etc). And you, the government and Vic Roads still have the nerve to say we have 'the fairest and safest roads'. Bullshit.

Full marks Webber, stick it to them!



This isn't about Lewis Hamilton totally, we are talking about how controlled our society and roads are. We are basically one step away from having Swiss road rules, where you go to prison for slightly speeding. Lewis Hamilton did the wrong thing according to our laws, but our laws are so strict compared to Europe is basically what Webber is saying. Yes we do have a hoon problem in Australia where things do get slightly out of hand, i.e. speeding cars smashing into other cars killing 10 people in one go, but the thing is, the legislation that is supposed to prevent or provide consequences for that happening does not 'PREVENT' these situations from occuring. They apply the blanket 'band aid' policy and just create a harsh legislation with so many faults and throw it at the problem, hoping it will work. It never does. This is why Australian society as a whole is subject to 'reactionary' politics, which is exactly what I just described.

There is a fine line with road laws, because you have sensible, skilled, safe drivers that might pull the odd burnout or fishy now or then...but then you have nutcase muzzas and idiots who constantly abuse the law and drive in unsafe fashion all the time. The laws are meant to prevent the 'worst case scenario'. However they never or rarely get caught. It's like with fixed speed cameras, they're supposed to curb speeding drivers, yeah they will catch the odd hoon, 90% of the time they will catch someone who has had a momentary loss of concentration and for 5k over you get done. And the government and Vic Roads and Vic Police hide behind the excuse that it is 'creating a safer road'. Yeah but on a scale of 1 to 100 of how effective it is, I wouldn't even give it a full 1. It's revenue raising and a blanket 'band aid' policy that is one of the thousands of laws that are 'meant' to be creating a safer road, but they aren't.

Couldn't agree more, nor could I have said it any better!

[Grennan]

I just caught a news update on CH 10. The father of a teenager who died on the roads this weekend is having a go at Lewis Hamilton and Webber about their off track antics.

I love Australia. The "Lets Blame Someone Else" Nanny Country.

[88GreenVN]

nothing short of banning cars will stop teenagers from killing them selfs on the roads

[greenfoam]

That's really good news to see we are approaching the threshold of what people will take , I was worried there was no limit to how much screwing under the thumb the population would go for. As other people have said it's not only the hoon laws, it's everything lately it's just gone too far. No one can have any fun anymore, someone is looking over your shoulder all the time, being a freedom killer, no wonder the entire country are drowning their sorrows in cake and ice cream

[Tim Smtih]

I love Australia. The "Lets Blame Someone Else" Nanny Country.

nothing short of banning cars will stop teenagers from killing them selfs on the roads

Refer to Grennans post above. It's ALWAYS someone elses fault.

[Dirbatua]

Victorian road laws are complete crap, none of there implement laws do anything to lower the road toll, low powered cars still do 160kph easy enough no matter what the government choose to believe and if you wanna do it, your gonna do it.

Speed Cameras are just revenue gainers, take a look at NSW ffs, have to legally have signs out before speed camera which slows the people down when they see it, unlike victoria whose signs are 50 meters AFTER the fricken camera if they have a speed camera in use sign at all.

Australian GP | Mark Webber Takes Swipe At Australian Nanny State

I love the comment in there Deputy Commissioner Lay - ‘‘I’d much prefer Mark to be talking about keeping the speeding and the hooning on the race track and being a bit sensible on our roads,’’ he said.

HAHA WHAT ****ING TRACKS YOU KNOB, YOU WON'T BUILD ANY FOR US.

[Reaper]

so it is o.k. to be stupid in a car on a public road as long as your an F1 driver?

Nope - WTF were the police to do? The guy chucked a skid in front of them, of course they were going to take the car. I do agree with Webber though. We are over regulated to the extreme. Just as 1 example, the speed limit on our freeways is way too low, not to mention a sign preventing this, that and the other every 5 seconds. Getting your car taken for sliding up the road?? I agree with that one though.

Reaper

[Low_VX_Taxi]

*Waits for NSW to steal F1 from Victoria.......

[jakbob]

Yeah its about bloody time someone spoke up. For so long now in Australia, its just been 'you can't do this, you can't have that, if you want that you'll have to jump through flaming hoops to get some license so you can', it goes on. Really pisses me off sometimes.
With regards to the road toll, I think we just have to accept that as long as people are in control of motor cars, there will be accidents. And with an increasing population that is becoming increasingly more stupid, there's going to be an increase in the road toll.

[Dirbatua]

lol 7pm project, guy was using examples of government overcontrol and the other people kept intentionally cutting him off cause he was proving he was right

[Ado]

Mark webber doesnt even live in Australia,who cares what he thinks.Some young bloke gets his car inpounded for being a tool,again who cares it happens every day.
Race tracks WONT fix the problems of stupid drivers.This bloke was on a track all day(its his job)and he still cant control himself when egged on.
I agree with Vic being a nanny state but im sick of threads full of whingers and nobody trying to do something.
If you dont like the rules then break them and get punnished,i know i wont care.
If you dont like the state then move.
OK rant over.

[greenfoam]

Moving from a place you were born just because something changed that you don't like is bullshit if you don't like how it was before then you move and make a new place to ruin from scratch

[HamaTime™]

Mark webber doesnt even live in Australia,who cares what he thinks.Some young bloke gets his car inpounded for being a tool,again who cares it happens every day.
Race tracks WONT fix the problems of stupid drivers.This bloke was on a track all day(its his job)and he still cant control himself when egged on.
I agree with Vic being a nanny state but im sick of threads full of whingers and nobody trying to do something.
If you dont like the rules then break them and get punnished,i know i wont care.
If you dont like the state then move.
OK rant over.

I can't say I agree with you on any level. The fact that Webber doesn't live in Australia makes it all the more important. He is pointing out how bad the Aussie road laws are, they are so tight, controlling, restrictive, yet the road toll is high and we have an escalating problem of bad drivers. I don't give a shit about political correctness and I'm not racist, but the majority of Asians, and alot of Indians are appalling drivers, they make our roads dangerous. Muzza's and ******** teenagers also are responsible for our bad driver record.

Yes, as long as people are in control of cars there are going to be accidents, its a guarantee, but what can be done to make it better? That is what the government is there for, to look after society, and what this is all about is Webber highlighting the inadequacies and patheticness of Australian road rules. Everyone is starting to realise that we have all had enough of such petty control and being twisted under the thumb.

You want to know the real root problem? The answer is people...driver training, driver skill, driver behaviour, driver attitude and far far far too many road rules.

Anyway, If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem.

I believe it is time for Australians, and more specifically Victorians to step up and really voice their opinions strongly in public, it's time the government made use of our taxes, driving is one of the most important parts of alot of our lives (as we spend such a great deal of time interacting with society on the road). No one should back down and just 'move' because of the problem, it's running away from the problem. If Australia gets any more socialist or communist would you just 'move' away, it's not fixing the problem, it's our country it's time for us to stand up and tell the government to fix it properly.

If you want someone to come up with a solution? Why don't you? I'm in the process of writing to my local MP to voice my opinion.

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lol, i find it funny that towns in europe are now removing all road signs as they are finding the more dangerous people think roads are the less road accidents there is.

[greenfoam]

I've seen a few storys on that theory, the average speed of cars in those towns drops right down when no one is being told what to do

[HamaTime™]

I've seen a few storys on that theory, the average speed of cars in those towns drops right down when no one is being told what to do

I could never see that happening in Australia though.

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Heres one of the stories i found quickly googling.

German town bans road signs to cut accidents - Telegraph

Search Results Bohmte

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Heres one of the stories i found quickly googling.

German town bans road signs to cut accidents - Telegraph

Search Results Bohmte

[pow3rslave]

Ken Lay and his team think that they are preserving the safety of people, explain why more people are dying on the road Ken? Explain how countries with better driver education and far less road rules have a much lower road toll (I.e. Germany etc). And you, the government and Vic Roads still have the nerve to say we have 'the fairest and safest roads'. Bullshit.

exactly, coming up on our worst road toll in 5 years, i wonder whether they'll ever admit that the current plan of attack isn't doing what it's meant to, or will they try to find something else that they can pin it on, instead of driver education?
fixed or outsourced speed cameras and the occasional blitz on roadies aren't going to do much. until they invent a 'overtaking across a solid line, into oncoming traffic' camera the next best thing is cops on the roads enforcing the rules (not just speeding fines)

[STEALTHY™]

Wasn't there a place that removed traffic lights aswell, since they result for alot of crashes. and as expected, the crash rate dropped dramatically.

Good on webber. Had to lol at the cops comments. While a Drunk driver can rack up 11 convictions and still not be in jail for life, YOU aren't doing your job. (but lets face it, that costs the government money, impounding cars makes them money.....)

[HamaTime™]

It's always about money Stealthy....thats the great upside and downside of a capitalist nation.