Alternatives for hoons?

[VRNathan]

Hey guys,

With the cancellation of Easternats, and the crack down on hoons on the road, which is a good thing, i was just wondering is there a suitable alternative?

We are forever hearing about 'hoons' in melbourne doing burnouts and driving like spastics on the road, and it goes on and on, but are the hoons of victoria offered an alternative? a racetrack? or anything like that so they can go get it out of their system and be with fellow tyre smokers.

Im down in glen waverley for those who know that part of the suburbs in Melbourne, and there's no shortage of tracks down here, Sandown, Winton's a drive but still ok, Calder, Phillip Island, but do any of these tracks offer a suitable trackday available to anyone who wants to burn some rubber, drive at speed or just have fun on a racetrack?

Police hate hoons, many people do, i can understand why, but if none of the racetracks in victoria are leading the way in offering a some-what regular way of giving people who want to drive hard a way of doing it on the track under controlled conditions, then what are the people left to do? Drive hard on the road or do a small burnout in a carpark and the consequences could be dire.

Any thoughts or opinions?

For the recording, i am perfectly aware whatever i said could be 100% P-Plater naiveness at its best.

*Also, my questions are not rhetorical, they are genuine questions not to be taken out of context.

[gen3]

yeah i think it could work as long as its free .... there should be one in bendigo

[wraith]

Race tracks won't help. Part of doing naughty stuff like burnouts is the thrill of potentially getting caught.

[VL-EXEC]

I think that this whole race track thing is bull sh*t, calder is there for those who wanna drag, and so is heathcote... the fact is if this is what people wanted they would attend... Most of the so called "hooning" is done in cars that you wouldnt even take to calder such as VR's VS's VN's VY's etc etc most stock with an exhaust and a sound system, doing little burnouts n that. The more serious people do attend calder etc etc...
I also think that an event like easter natts should be hele once a month, but people dont have the money involved to run an event similar...

Its a big subject and you could go on about the pro's n con's... however i highley doubt anything will change even with a new track set up for burnouts, dragging etc etc

[azzfox]

Part of doing naughty stuff like burnouts is the thrill of potentially getting caught.

I disagree. I love a skid and the motion of losing traction. But in no way do I do it for the thrill of potentially getting caught. Thats the last thing I would want to happen. I also dont like the idea of going to a track. I like a casual skid here and there that only lasts for a brief moment, long enough to get it out of my system. Not go to a track and be expected to rip it up for a lengthy amount of time. Steel belts ripping the shit out of my guards, or having to get towed home because my radiator popped doesnt tickle my fancy.

Im all in favor of finding a quiet road away from built up areas, where theres no one around to piss off, dob you in or become a threat to, slide around a bit, do some hoops and drive away at the end of it. If you have a specific burnout car that you want to put on a show with then by all means go to a track, but thats not for me.

My 2c.

[SMURFTEC.]

this thread = lions den

[Grennan]

Calder isnt open to the public every weekend. Heathcote is a hole, is a fair drive away and youre likely to get defected the moment you leave the gates. Sandown doesnt open its doors for the public neither does Phillip Island (of course unless you have your CAMS license or youre in a club that has affiliations with these tracks such as the official HSV Owners Club).

I couldnt care less if like azz said, you find a industrial estate at 3 am where its empty, noone around, no danger to innocent public etc. Infact I am sure most people have gone and done it themselves. As far as im concerned, as long as your not ripping circles in suburban streets etc what you do is your own business.

[svsex]

REGULATED SKID PANS EVERYWHERE THEN U HAVE NO EXCUSE. hahaha

[wraith]

Damn straight it's all about location. People who attend the illegal street drags etc. should be aware of the dangers. Speeding, drifting etc in town is stupid.

[old mate]

Race tracks won't help. Part of doing naughty stuff like burnouts is the thrill of potentially getting caught.

i also don't agree. if there was a facility open most days or even every weekend i would go down and make a weekend of it with my dad and my mates.

it needs to be a circuit instead of solely a drag place, as my car has 0.6kw i would rather test myself around the corners and have room to make mistakes and not kill kittens etc.

i know there is track days available at places but it isn't on a regular basis ie each weekend at the same track.

best thing would be to have a yearly membership to a facility of a few hundred $ then pay $100 ish each day you use it.

i think that all the 'mad street racers with top skills' would go on the track, have a few big moments and get scared about what could have happened and then decided that they actually don't have skills and then will either spend more track time trying to get it right or just forget about it all and go play chess.

TBH, it would be awesome if the government got behind something like this and offered subsidised first time days for all people who are in the target demographic for being 'hoons.'

this way they could directly give 'hoons' a place to do their stuff away from the roads.

[soop]

People bitched about skateboarders and people riding Freestyle BMX in malls.
So councils built skate parks. They aren't cheap be any stretch of the imagination.

Why is a bitument course for "hoons" so much to ask?

[old mate]

People bitched about skateboarders and people riding Freestyle BMX in malls.
So councils built skate parks. They aren't cheap be any stretch of the imagination.

Why is a bitument course for "hoons" so much to ask?

its not but people are stupid. you cant say that since a certain place got a skate park that skating in illegal places has risen heaps? i think thats the problem, people think that if they give a place to do the driving it will make more people want to do it on the streets.

its not how it works

soop for premier!

[soop]

Exactly, if 13yr old kids can fathom "Gee if i go to the park, the coppa wont arrest me". Why does the common populace think that adults are incapable of this same logic?

[TrikkBen]

@soop, As it has been stated before, everyone hates "hoons", the un-educated majority of suburban people lable anyone with an exhaust a "hoon". I drive out of my street just leaving home and get dirty looks and arm's up in the air from middle aged women and get head shakes from blokes that I drive past... The stereotypical "hoon" lable has stuck in peoples heads, and anyone who fits the category is slowly becoming more dispised, so the Government would be thinking, no one likes hoons, would would that majority of voters think if we build them a multi-million dollars race track.

edit: Can I just add that I don't even want this track to take my 6 banger out and do single pegger dohhys... I want it so we get the Pro Drag racing events and even get an event with NHRA.

[soop]

That arguement is invalid.
People had the same cry about kids riding skateboards in malls, and contributed vandalism and the likes the very same group merly because some bad eggs did it.

Same deal with Car enthusiasts.
I said nothing about a multi-million dollar race track, a few hundred grand would lay a bitument track in a large rural center.
Just think how many hundreds of thousands(millions?) society would save on reparing roads and signs, save on TV campaigns agains hooning. And the more serious issue of saving money on medicare payouts when people are injured by such things.
I'm not saying people aren't in the wrong by "hooníng" but hissing and snearing and telling them to go away does not fix the problem. It never has and never will.
Give them somewhere to "go away" too and save society alot of greif.

[TrikkBen]

Sorry Forgot to clarify, I ment the Track that they are looking into, there was a support rally a few weeks back at Melbourne show grounds, which I doubt will ever happen now...

[soop]

Fair enough.
Though i find it hard to sympathise with Melbournians. There IS options in Melbourne. Just not always so conveinant.
I've spent all my life in rural area's, where there is NO options. Latetly a 3rd party car club has made efforts to hold regular events which is good however.

[SMURFTEC.]

Whilst all your points are valid interms of "if we don't want this on public roads, where is the alternative for the people who want to let it out of their system". My opinion is based from a governments point of view, pretty much the government doesn't like "hoons" and goes to all these measures to reduce/eliminate their presence on road.

Which then makes me think, if the government despises these hoon's so much and are going to such extremes to dampen their existence, what kind of message would building a place for them to engage in these sorts of behaviour, it's almost as if saying "we condone these behaviour, just not on public roads".

Sure enough you may argue that "atleast they are off the road and doing it causing no harm to anyone etc etc" but you have to consider all different factors that are associated with this, i.e the socio economic factors; take for example a person who isnt financially astitute, like someone said before pay $100ish each time you want to use the track, think about it from that persons point of view, everytime they want to do a burnout, they have to forkout $100 odd dollars.

Personally if it was me I'd be f*** this, im saving my $100 dollars and will do it wherever I please, the point remains is that people will eventually be like stuff this idea and the supposed contained hoon-ism will creep back on to the streets.

/rant.

[sam5l]

this thread is dumb the whole solution to this is not on the road ***n retards what if a little girl runs out while your launching from a skid you cant stop quick enough your a **** head coz most of yous do it in backstreets ya wanna do it on the road drive to a industrial area where there is no houses or cars around and kill yourself only my 2 cents hoons are **** heads = im a **** head but at least i dont do it in places where other ppl are at risk

[Verynice]

stay at home and do drugs

[Grennan]

this thread is dumb the whole solution to this is not on the road ***n retards what if a little girl runs out while your launching from a skid you cant stop quick enough your a **** head coz most of yous do it in backstreets ya wanna do it on the road drive to a industrial area where there is no houses or cars around and kill yourself only my 2 cents hoons are **** heads = im a **** head but at least i dont do it in places where other ppl are at risk

Have you read this thread? All of us have pretty much said "Time and Place". Nowhere has it been stated the place is "Quiet suburban street".

[Maxxiz]

I love how this new term 'hoons' inspired by the media has seemed to have created an entirely new race of people, all of a sudden it seems there are Australians, Amerians, Asians, Indians and Hoons living in Australia. There has been 'hoons' for years, all of a sudden though someones cried hoon and everyone has followed the pack. (Not talking about people here btw, by 'everyone' im referring to mainstream/media/politicians/police).
/end rant.

[wraith]

So true. I'm waiting for the big push to shut down car forums as they allow "hoons" to organise meets under a veil of anonymity.

[sam5l]

Have you read this thread? All of us have pretty much said "Time and Place". Nowhere has it been stated the place is "Quiet suburban street".

hey mate im saying all these *** heads drvn around do it in backstreets like **** wits i herd of this one guy was doin a doey in a t junction of a backstreet except when he was doin it the car caught traction and launched through a house ****HEAD RIGHT THERE MATE READ WHAT I SAID PROPERLY and yes my grammar is shit

[minux]

So true. I'm waiting for the big push to shut down car forums as they allow "hoons" to organise meets under a veil of anonymity.

Taken care of, what do you think conroys internet filter will be used for? That exact sort of thing.