QLD gov reducing the BAC to 0.05, your thoughts?

[brendore]

Your thoughts on the QLD government reducing the Blood Alcohol Limit from 0.08 to 0.05. Do you think it will make any difference in the road toll?

Personally I think its the cops that need a good looking at and not the BAC

[TVR-190]

yeah its always the cops fault...

its that in N.S.W anyway, should be 0 for all

[ryno_vrx]

should be 0 for all

couldn't agree more mate

[S.T.K.E]

LOL. Hasn't it always been 0.05. You crawl out of a rock recently???

Anti-drink driving


The current discussion at the moment is reducing it to 0.02%

[SMURFTEC.]

good i say, bring it lower

[markovr]

couldn't agree more mate

Its been 0.05 for a long time here but changing it to 0 is stupid
Crap....cant even have one drink over dinner and drive....perfect example of revenue raising and stupid decision making....just another instance of our brain dead premier making sure she will not be re-elected again...add that to the public asset sale and axing of the fuel subsidary and even the drongo opposition stand a substantial chance of being elected.

[vr94ss]

yeah its always the cops fault...

its that in N.S.W anyway, should be 0 for all

Why should it be 0? Alcohol starts effecting peoples reflexes/judgment and ability to drive at different levels. 0.05 is just a base that it can start happening at. Maybe we should have reflex/judgment tests before people even get to drive. There'd be a lot less people driving. You can easily see day to day that a hell of a lot of people don't have good enough reflexes and judgment to drive. You may answer, "well that's a good reason to ban it(0.00) as those people would be f'd after drinking anything," I say that's a good reason to test people before they drive, not a 0.00 limit. We have to round things for the general population not the lowest common denominator. Idiots do as idiots do and I don't think having 0.00 would fix anything as it's still the people who drive "pissed as" not ones at or below 0.05 that are the problem and they do it no matter the limit..

[TVR-190]

because if its gonna be 0.2 people will have the mentality they can have 1 drink and still be ok when they cant. besides reducing it to 0.2 is useless in the fact that almost all people who are invloved in drink driving crashes are over the 0.5 anyway.

[S.T.K.E]

At the end of the day

"Stupid Is what Stupid Does "


Drink driving discussion paper

[vr94ss]

because if its gonna be 0.2 people will have the mentality they can have 1 drink and still be ok when they cant. besides reducing it to 0.2 is useless in the fact that almost all people who are invloved in drink driving crashes are over the 0.5 anyway.

Cool, you've just said why it shouldn't be 0.00 and why 0.05 is fine. Glad you agree

[TVR-190]

Cool, you've just said why it shouldn't be 0.00 and why 0.05 is fine. Glad you agree

i just dont see why a fully license driver is meant to be more capable of driving after having a drink than a learner or p plater, who has a limit of 0.00, should be the same for both, im sure there are plenty of p platers who could drive safely with a .05 BAC.

I didnt say i agreed either, Dont take my words out of context. Seems like you're just reading what you want to see.

[markovr]

because if its gonna be 0.2 people will have the mentality they can have 1 drink and still be ok when they cant. besides reducing it to 0.2 is useless in the fact that almost all people who are invloved in drink driving crashes are over the 0.5 anyway.

perfect logic...run for our priemers position you will shoe in

[TVR-190]

perfect logic...run for our priemers position you will shoe in

Sorry, But N.S.W needs me more than QLD.

[MagiTEK]

Its been 0.05 for a long time here but changing it to 0 is stupid
Crap....cant even have one drink over dinner and drive....perfect example of revenue raising and stupid decision making....just another instance of our brain dead premier making sure she will not be re-elected again...add that to the public asset sale and axing of the fuel subsidary and even the drongo opposition stand a substantial chance of being elected.

Here here.

0.02 is not going to lower the death toll and 0% is unlikely to do squat as well. Its all revenue raising. How about more drug testing units (I think there is 1 in the whole of north queensland.) i think ive seen it once in the past 12 months. How about providing adequate public transport in cities other then brisbane? (even though 'adequate public transport in brisbane' is a debatable term)

Bah. Who am i kidding. these options cost money, not save it.

[markovr]

Sorry, But N.S.W needs me more than QLD.

What to barrack for the cockroaches?

[spokkeh]

What would 0.02 be? 1 standard?
Seems alright to me.

[Julie]

My thoughts, honestly...

aww diddums

[vr94ss]

i just dont see why a fully license driver is meant to be more capable of driving after having a drink than a learner or p plater, who has a limit of 0.00, should be the same for both, im sure there are plenty of p platers who could drive safely with a .05 BAC.

I didnt say i agreed either, Dont take my words out of context. Seems like you're just reading what you want to see.

Maybe that onus should be lifted from P platers too then. You did agree the problem is not <0.05 drivers, hence no 0.00 limit needed, but the ones who don't care what their limit, the "pissed as bru" are the problem. I'm not putting words in your mouth or twisting them.

[BoNeZ-01]

The average person "could" still have 1 standard drink if it was dropped to .02, and still drive, as long as they waited long enough, not finish the drink and jump straight in the car.
As markovr said, it's nice to go out to dinner somewhere and have "a" nice drink over dinner, and by the time you finished dinner left the restaurant, you'd probly be fairly clear.
The problem is 1 standard drink "can" affect different people differently, but "if" it's a step in the direction of saving lives, then maybe it's worth a try.
And really, what is there to lose? Can't have 1 more drink before driving? So what? By take away's and drink them at home when the drivings done.

[Tim Smtih]

I've never consumed alcohol and driven afterwards so i don't much care.

[vr94ss]

The average person "could" still have 1 standard drink if it was dropped to .02, and still drive, as long as they waited long enough, not finish the drink and jump straight in the car.
As markovr said, it's nice to go out to dinner somewhere and have "a" nice drink over dinner, and by the time you finished dinner left the restaurant, you'd probly be fairly clear.
The problem is 1 standard drink "can" affect different people differently, but "if" it's a step in the direction of saving lives, then maybe it's worth a try.
And really, what is there to lose? Can't have 1 more drink before driving? So what? By take away's and drink them at home when the drivings done.

If we really wanted to save lives on the road we could stop people driving for any reason but work. Life has no guarantee of safety. If we try to make life safe in all situations people will not be allowed to do anything. Freedom necessitates danger as much as that sucks. Look up the deaths and serious injury incurred by sports players from children to adults. You can't make life safe and it's a nanny state dream to think you can.

[BoNeZ-01]

All true, but the effects of alcohol on the human body slowing reflex is well documented by those that do these studies.
All I'm saying is, it may be that people are making the mistake of having 2 or more and 'guessing' they are under the limit(their belief of 'limit' existing not because of how they may be affected, but 'just in case they might get caught'), then driving 'without' realising just how much affect the alcohol is 'actually' having while they are driving.
But, if the new limit was set to .02, then 'maybe' people would be more worried about getting caught after only 1 drink, and 'maybe' that would persuade people to drink less before driving, then 'hopefully' the end result would be a drop in 'alcohol' related injuries and deaths.
I know this is not cure all, as there are a shit load of reasons why accidents happen, but like I said, maybe it's a start?

[vr94ss]

I've never consumed alcohol and driven afterwards so i don't much care.

I've never played Rugby, Soccer or a hundred other sports, I don't care if they ban them. I have never owned a jet ski, ban 'em, not prob to me. Never been a "name your poison" so why should I care? You should care because freedom in out society is being crushed, not because you partake of the particular pastime/indulgence. You'll find they come after yours, in time, when the rest are gone. I'm not gay either but I support their rights to choose what they do.

[vr94ss]

All true, but the effects of alcohol on the human body slowing reflex is well documented by those that do these studies.
All I'm saying is, it may be that people are making the mistake of having 2 or more and 'guessing' they are under the limit(their belief of 'limit' existing not because of how they may be affected, but 'just in case they might get caught'), then driving 'without' realising just how much affect the alcohol is 'actually' having while they are driving.
But, if the new limit was set to .02, then 'maybe' people would be more worried about getting caught after only 1 drink, and 'maybe' that would persuade people to drink less before driving, then 'hopefully' the end result would be a drop in 'alcohol' related injuries and deaths.
I know this is not cure all, as there are a shit load of reasons why accidents happen, but like I said, maybe it's a start?

If they "guess" and get it wrong, they pay the penalty if/when caught. You can't make society safer by stopping people from making decisions. You get a dumber society that can't make decisions. The whole idea is to make people responsible for their actions not refuse them those actions. There is no "cure all" and we should just understand that, get over trying to invent one, and get on with life. Laws should not be based on "hope", leave hope for the bible bashers, they should be based on evidence.

[minux]

Medical test for every personw ho wants to drink drive. This would allow every person to drink to a certain level where the effect is the same. No medical test done, BAC is .00. All these tests to be paid for by the end user. Simplest fix to a problem that won't be solved by banning the ones who do the right thing.