NSW Bans re-rego on repairable written-off vehicles

[lastlegend]

NSW dents car-rebirthing with rego ban - Yahoo!7 News

Not entily sure how this will stop it as they will just move interstate and then rego the car in that state, sell it off and if you where to move interstate you may get stung or you may not???

I purchased a repairable right-off VT Ser2 Olympic Sedan from Coffs Harbour for $1200 that had been Fresh water damaged (Flooded), simple replaced the stuffed items with new Battery, BCM & ECU plus a few blubs and fuse's, an hour later kicked it over and sent it off to QIS (Qld Inspection Services) had it checked and removed from the register and put 12 months rego on it.....so does that make me a doogy back yard chop shop??? or a Crim???

[Demonica]

Stupid. People will always find a way around it. I always thought the 2 classes of write-off was a good idea (repairable write-off/ statutory write-off) the latter class being never to be re-registered. It's time the states combined their resources so you can research your cars history regardless of which state it originated from. My ute was originally written off by some moron some front end damage but thanks to a new motor and some body repair she's perfect. Nothing wrong with what you did, pitty the insurance companies dont have the same sense. Oh well their loss is your gain.

[lastlegend]

Very true, I have two other Commodores with similar issues that will be re-rego'd soon so as long as Insurance companies write them off as repairable people like us will just keep fixing them and selling them but agreed Statutory Write-offs should be crushed and what ever parts are saleable should be removed.

I just spent 1 month trying to find an original Manual Shift cover for a VS Spac Manual as Holden stopped making them in 2007 and heaps of people are snapping them up for conversions and I found one in a Statutory right-off at auction, I purchased the car cheap as and took what I needed to restore the S Pac Sedan and sold the rest off for scrap and still made money but there would have been no way I would have even tried to repair it or sell it as road worthy.....but there are people who do and this should be stopped.

[dirt drifter]

bad luck if you drive a car that is written off from hail damage, theres nothing wrong with it apart from the fact it resembles the surface of a golf ball but it still goes to the crusher. i wonder how the wrecking yards of nsw feel about this new law?

the bit where they say write off's "be recorded on a register and crushed, with parts made available for re-use" lets say u somehow cave in the front/rear/side of your car, the body is rooted but the drivetrain/suspension/interior etc is still good, what happens then? does the rta or whoever let u take it home and say "we'll be around to get the shell in a week, ya better have all ya bits out by then"

call me cynical, but i can see this turning into a big sh!tfight for anyone unlucky enough to write off their pride and joy who wants to salvage whatever they can. my money's on the rta making life hard for u to get near your written off car let alone take it home to strip it.

[lastlegend]

Agreed, so far in Qld if you can repair a Repairable Write-off then it must pass a QIS (Qld Inspection Services) inspection and if it does they will advise Qld Transport to remove it from the Register and allow you to re-rego the car/Bike/Truck and then sell it if you want to.

I am not sure how the other states work? (except the new plans for NSW). I do know at present that my SS is insured for agreed value to cover all the stuff I have done, but if it was damaged then I would paid out and not given the chance to remove what I wanted and I would have to buy it back at auction.

[VKCOMMO]

I personally think it is bullshit.

If a car is written off and deemed a repairable write off that means that the car is still safe, and can be repaired to the same standard of safety, but the moneys involved make it not worth it for the insurance companies.

If it is a statutory write off it means that there is damage on the vehicle that has serious damage that if repaired, the vehicle will never be as safe (e.g. chassis damage)

So what the govt. wants is to crush all of these cars, whether they are looking like a golf ball (as above) or any other damage that can be repaired cheaply by parts from the wreckers (such as nathg's VR)

IMO cars that are a repairable write off should be able to be sold at auction, repaired and go through an inspection and re-rego'd, but cars that have chassis damage etc should have all parts salvaged and then be crushed.

[Jesterarts]

VK, I don't beleive the issue here is safety.

My understanding is that this is designed prevent car theifs making a profit from the crimes.

Eg, crim steals a car, can't make a profit because he can't sell it because well, it's a stolen car.

So he buys the same model car but a repairable write off, then either strips the stolen car and uses the parts to fix the write off OR transfers ID and build plates from the write off onto the stolen car.

Sells that and makes a profit.

Fairly hard to trace a re-birthed car like that.

That's what I understand from some reading I've done on the subject anyway.

[VKCOMMO]

OK

Sorry, i must have mis-understood the report. lol

I was under the understanding that it is for safety because of people that do dodgy backyard jobs on rep write-offs and re-register, endangering us

[Jesterarts]

Nah, I had a read through the article again and the idea seems to be to address both aspects.

Eliminate dangerous re-births from being allowed on the roads and put a dent in criminal activities.

I understand where these laws are coming from, but I think there is a better way to address both these issues.

IE, having Engineer inspection certificates required from a registered checker to re-register or something like that.

Banning these vehicles all together just means that more car's will end up on the scrap heap.

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

It still doesn't address the issue of rebirth totally though.

A scenario that wasn't considered:
Joe Blogs writes his car off but it WASN"T insured...he steals a car of the same make and model and either repairs his or transfers the ID, how can they police that? It is too easy to make a car unidentifiable by removing any ID numbers.

There are ligitimate ways to repair write-off's and some repair shops actually make a decent living by doing it. Bureaucracy gone mad.....

[Steery]

Plate swapping a car is easy. A stolen car can be re-birthed (in SA) until such time as a regency inspection is required just by swapping number plates.

Hypothetically, if a thief owned a stock VS and they stole one with huge amounts of money spent on it, all they would need to do is a colour change on the numberplates for the stock car and put them on stolen car. If the plates are registered and the colour is the same, it won't be picked up by a traffic cop.

I guess this could assist in stopping a complete re-birth (swapping all numbers over) but there will still be the problem of plate-swapping.

[rb26dett]

Should ***in theory*** reduce the price of spare parts.

[Demonica]

Should ***in theory*** reduce the price of spare parts.

Yeah 'in theory' is about right.

[pauly2707]

Was it an insurance write off. or a private buy? JUst curious as i have bought something similar and are curious as to wether I can register this in qld or not?

[Not_An_Abba_Fan]

There are two types off write off, a statutory write off where the car is too damaged to be repaired safely, and a repairable write off, where the value of the repairs is close to or exceeds the insured value of the car.

A private buy is exactly that, where a car is bought from a private seller and not a licensed dealer.

You will have to chack with the QLD transport authority to see if a repairable write off can be registered in QLD, but I don't see why not.

Oh, and nice thread dig, good searching though

[VZ_SS]

Sweet, so instead of writing your car car off that is rooted, and getting the payout and them selling it at auction for $3000, theyll now spend a shitload of money repairing your fcuked car to save a few bob. Thats why my vz 6l maloo got repaired, and its never been the same. lame ass rule.

[wraith]

Woo excavation.

[VZ_SS]

Woo excavation.

I suppose D11s would be fun to drive

[hi_ryder]

VK, I don't beleive the issue here is safety.

My understanding is that this is designed prevent car theifs making a profit from the crimes.

Eg, crim steals a car, can't make a profit because he can't sell it because well, it's a stolen car.

So he buys the same model car but a repairable write off, then either strips the stolen car and uses the parts to fix the write off OR transfers ID and build plates from the write off onto the stolen car.

Sells that and makes a profit.

Fairly hard to trace a re-birthed car like that.

That's what I understand from some reading I've done on the subject anyway.

the link to that article wouldnt work for me...

when you put a repaired write off through the viv inspection (victoria) you need pics of the repair process and receipts for all parts replaced. so using a stolen car as a donor is only possible if your mate owns a wreckers and can supply dodgy receipts...

they canned repairable write offs because unsafely repaired vehicles are slipping through the cracks and end up back on the road with unsuspecting buyers. they crash tested a toyota corolla that was a repairable write off, fully repaired and sold privately. the airbags were stuffed with rags and the structural repairs on the front frame rails failed. the test showed any occupants in the front of the car would not have survived at a 60k impact, dash and fire wall pinning the dummy at the knees as well.

dodgy profiteers ruined it for everyone else...

[DAKSTER]

I've seen reports on cars being sprayed with nano-identifiers in the build process. These are basically millions of little microchips, with all the info on the origin of the car in them.

These things are sprayed everywhere, in every nook and cranny, before the undercoat goes on. Its also applied to the interior in various ways. They can then be read with an electronic reader, just like a microchipped pet. Its virtually impossible to remove them all without going to extremes like sandblasting, and even then, you have to get every tiny nook and cranny back to bare metal to get rid of these things.

Using this technology means every part of the car can be tracked. This stuff already exists, and will be commonplace with all car builders pretty soon. Computer databases will mean all a cop has to do is walk around a car with his little scanner, and he will know exactly which parts arent original, and if any of it is stolen/rebirthed/dodgy...

That will stop the rebirthing industry in its tracks.

[304runner]

Gee I hate living in NSW sometimes...

Its as if the new laws they come up with are all decided upon after a few beers at the local pub or introduced based on an unpleasant personal experience.

Farking Muppet's!