Fines for 4km/h over speed limit (nsw)

[kniever]

i think vic should be brought up to this, its stupid, car manufacturers make their cars being up to 10% out with the speedo yet vic only gives us 2k's and nsw are going down to 4k's

Fines for 4km/h over speed limit

[minux]

I disagree.

10% rule should apply across the board.

Get rid of 40/50 zones, go back to only 60, 80 and 110 zones.

Sadly, these labor governments would go bust, seems rorting taxpayers blind is the only way they can keep the economy going.

[GenReaper]

Sadly, these labor governments would go bust, seems rorting taxpayers blind is the only way they can keep the economy going.

I tend to agree, missmanagement by the Gov is to blame.

[Demonica]

Sadly, these labor governments would go bust, seems rorting taxpayers blind is the only way they can keep the economy going.

LOL wonder what Qld government is doing wrong, they rort taxpayers big time and they are still bust.

Ever tried giving the cops 'my speedo may be wrong' excuse? They just tell you it is up to you to have your speedo regularly tested and a big tough shit when they hand you the fine. I think in Qld they set the cameras for 3-4km over the speed limit.

[minux]

LOL wonder what Qld government is doing wrong, they rort taxpayers big time and they are still bust.

Ever tried giving the cops 'my speedo may be wrong' excuse? They just tell you it is up to you to have your speedo regularly tested and a big tough shit when they hand you the fine. I think in Qld they set the cameras for 3-4km over the speed limit.

Wonder how that would work if you just picked up a new car? Would the dealer then be liable for selling a defective vehicle and lying about it being roadworthy?

[Reaper]

Just to be accurate, since July 1 2006, all new cars have a +0-10%(?) accuracy tolerance. That is, they cannot indicate a speed that is less than the car is actually traveling. ie your speedo my indicate 100 km/h but you will actually be traveling at 96 km/h.

Reaper

[TVR-190]

Actually there is a fine and 1 demerit point for doing 1km/h over in N.S.W

[Ace_VP]

In the end what the speed cameras are set to trip at has nothing to do with the Police, we can protest all we like but they are controlled by the RTA, Police even have to radio in if they go through a speed camera whilst trying to catch up to a car they are trying to stop incase they trip the camera, if they dont and a fine comes back the officer pays.

I do agree with Minux that there should be a 10% buffer, but i think ADR's state that a speedo must be within 10% accurate but not read slower than what the car is travelling if that makes sense. Manufacturers make most speedos to read faster than what the car is travelling for this reason, but this can be affected when people change tyre sizes.

In Vic i can understand the frustration, i went down to pic my car up last week and the amount of speed cameras blew me away, and they arent signposted like they are in NSW. I really think that if you get caught by a speed camera in NSW you deserve it. These mobile ones are different though.

10% in a school zone is 4km/h though, but thats only one speed.

EDIT: just as i submitted my reply the segment came on the news about the mobile ones in sydney. They didnt say what speed the trip at but the minister said they were there to save lives which I cant understand. The whole point of the big stationary ones is to be visible and slow motorists down on black spots. With these mobile ones they arent overly visible and many motorists wont know they have passed one until they get a letter in the mail. So during the time between having their pic taken and getting the letter where is the insentive to modify their driving, this is the whole point of High Visibility Policing after all.

And to show that it isnt a cash grab they are sending a nice "please slow down" letter out for your first offence detected by one of these cameras, then any futher offences atrract a ticket.

I will agree that these cameras will do nothing but raise money, in order to modify the behaviour of drivers the speed enforcement device must be seen because when it is people slow down and modify their behaviour. When you are pulled over by the highway patrol man who was hiding in the bushes the being pulled over bit is the modification part of it. These cameras have no immediate affect. Matt

[con7502003]

well on the news the other day . it said if you are caught speeding but by not more than 10kpm over posted limit and have a clean record for 2 years write a letter to vic roads and you will get a warning fine will be forfeited fact so stop pissing and moaning over nothing ffs

[CSP]

stop pissing and moaning over nothing ffs

Better still, obey the law... Simplest solution really.

[Ace_VP]

well on the news the other day . it said if you are caught speeding but by not more than 10kpm over posted limit and have a clean record for 2 years write a letter to vic roads and you will get a warning fine will be forfeited fact so stop pissing and moaning over nothing ffs

LOL, not speeding is always another option

[minux]

LOL, not speeding is always another option

Screw that...its sooo easy to do lol. Even worse on the new rex now that the speedometer is not the main focus...look down and your doing 120 without even realising.

[Ace_VP]

Screw that...its sooo easy to do lol. Even worse on the new rex now that the speedometer is not the main focus...look down and your doing 120 without even realising.

Which is why I agree with you on the 10% lee-way. Whilst its the drivers responsibility to watch their speed new cars these days are deceptively fast.

[vkberlina]

IMHO the new cameras will cause more accidents, drivers will be watching the speedo instead of the road obviously.
I have driven a number of newer cars from a variety of manufacturers using my GPS to track speed on open road 9+ satellites locked its quite surprising how out the speedos are reading. My 85 VK is accurate to 1% with barely an original part on the car, wheels, gearbox diff all changed from factory but properly setup,calculated & calibrated.
I have driven factory standard cars that appear up to 15% out all were reading high so actual speed was 90km.hr when reading 100km/hr
I think car manufactures are playing it safe with speedo calibration to allow end buyers to alter the car with incorrect size wheels, tyres etc.

Regardless of the speedo limit and tollerence I would rather see highway patrol on the road, and actually be pulled over by one than receive a fine in the mail, we all know what one actually had the right affect on drivers

scott

[GetToDaChopa]

The government is going about these mobile speed camera's all wrong just like the internet filter. They know they need to do something to stop people from speeding but then attack it in the most retarded way possible (just like the internet filter)

Have i mentioned the internet filter? Yeah.

Now here is the problem with the 4km/h leeway. On a speedometer with a needle, you will hardly notice a difference between 2-4km/h speeding. My dad's Nissan has very very think lines that mark the speed, if you know what i mean. so if you look at the needle, and its staying on just above the thick marking, you could be doing about 4 over the speed limit.

[VSHeaven]

Who's to say the speed cameras aren't out by 10%?

[Troy711]

So now more and more people will get rear ended by other drivers checking their speedo every 3 seconds and not actually paying attention on the road..?

[sheepz]

Who's to say the speed cameras aren't out by 10%?

Haha this is a great point, there is factors that can change the read out from the camera, eg differnt outside temp lvls will effect the readout and even if a truck/car passes the mobil cameraand moves it, it will give a different reading.

[Tsunamix]

Anytime you get busted for a fine that is for a speed within the ADR error percentage allowed when your vehicle wasmanufactured, challenge it in court. You will win.

No registered judge will hold you responsible for speed variations that your car is not designed to measure. However - first you have to go before a magistrate which is NOT A JUDGE. If he finds against you, challeneg agaion and claim costs. This time challenge to the ahigher court instead of the magistrates court. Magistrates are glorified legal administrators and are not registered judicial personages.

This is a blatant cash grab because everyone in the know will challenge and get off. the ignorant will pay up like the sheep they are. Fleecing sheep = cash grab.

ADR18/02 1999 - In force when my VT was built -
Australian Design Rule 18/02 – Instrumentation specifies requirements for the provision and location of certain 'Visual Indicators' and also specifies requirements for speedometers and odometers. This document states "every vehicle must be fitted with a speedometer which must:, Indicate vehicle speed only in kilometers per hour; and indicate the actual vehicle speed, for all speeds above 40km.h, to an accuracy of ± 10%.

http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/ima...5_McDonald.pdf