tough new nsw vehicle laws. sign the protest petition!!!

[dirt drifter]

as the title states, follow the link and sign

Fair Registration for Modified Vehicles Petition

basically the gist of it is that they want most modified vehicles to be classed as individually constructed vehicles, meaning it must pass the current adr's to be able to be rego'd.

think about all that adr crap for a second, crash testing, emissions requirements etc. you've got more chance of winning lotto than getting your hotrod, muscle car etc passed!

dunno if this petition will achieve anything but its worth signing anyway, lets hope this bull***t law dont get passed because if it happens in one state you can bet your last dollar it would go nationwide before long

[Ace_VP]

I signed it, i think its a stupid idea. Another knee jerk reaction by pollies to try and stop hoons.

News flash: A car does not need to be modified in order for the driver to be able to drive like a hoon. This will fix nothing.

Police target vehicles that have modifications that are way over the top, if this comes into effect people will still modify vehicles, just like people fit illegal mods now.

[TVR-190]

I'd sign it, but i know it won't do anything. I wonder if Andrew stoner will oppose this, I imagine he will as he seems to have a clue about being roads minister (opposition anyway)

[Ace_VP]

I'd sign it, but i know it won't do anything. I wonder if Andrew stoner will oppose this, I imagine he will as he seems to have a clue about being roads minister (opposition anyway)

But it will do something. Laws and legislation are based on community values. If the community opposes it then it wont go ahead. They tried to do this with 4wd modification laws and a massive petition got it squashed on the head, amongst other things from people in the National 4wd Association etc etc. If enough people get behind this it we have a good chance of stopping it.

[TVR-190]

Lets think back to the R18+ game petition a few months back, despite the 89,000+ signatures breaking records, we still have no rating, and they still dont seem to care

[soop]

It wont make any difference, Its another easy way to make money so nothing will stop it.

[gopher]

. Laws and legislation are based on community values. If the community opposes it then it wont go ahead.

the only way the community would be able to stop it would be if an election was due soon.

[CSP]

And in NSW, there is!

And nationally, there is!

[dirt drifter]

i've been looking into this a bit more, this petition is floating around on a few car forums but the best i've found so far is a few quotes from ls1.com. apparently this is from the bloke who started the petition

"The main reason for this petition is that the RTA has had meeting with
Delegates from the Australian Street Rod Federation and have told them (even
showed them a draft copy) of a new system. However they will not release
this information, Hence the need for consultation. I will send out more
information as I get it."

and some more quotes, pinched from ls1.com that were originally pinched from a hotrod forum i havent found yet

This is from the NSW ASRF June 2010 Minutes.

"What was discussed were the changes in NSW to MPV (Modified Production Vehicles) and ICV (Idividually Constructed Vehicles). The RTA are intending that soon all Modified Production Vehicles will have a FINAL inspection by the RTA;the Engineer will have to provide evidence to their approvals and the base for a Street Rod will no longer be apair of chassis rails and one cross member. The RTA believes that we are so close to being able to achieve ICV, with concessions on some of the ADR'S (Australian Desigin Rules) that this is the track we should consider. "

and the best one

"as far as I know it is for all modified vehicles full registration. From what I'm hearing, modification could mean paint colour change ,wheel change, ride height ect. I'm chasing for more info.........This will affect any car group or club wanting something other than off the showroom floor."

i'm sure i'm not the only one who wants to know more about this, i reckon the part about modified production vehicles needing a final RTA inspection wouldn't be the end of the world provided u hadn't built some wild full tubbed/caged/blower-higher-than-roof animal and had a dodgy engineers report done. but as i said earlier if they intend on classifying most modified vehicles as individually constructed vehicles with the need for current ADR compliance then we're up the proverbial creek.

jeez it would be nice if the whole modified car community could all harass their respective MP's and find out where they stand on this. between 4WDer's, minitruckers, hot rodders, kit car builders, muscle car/street machine owners, falcadore owners, the jap import crowd, and weekend track/drift/drag warriors one would think we could have a fairly loud voice.

[vkberlina]

In some ways a sensible approach to a blanket rule would be great enforcing engineers inspection and report for all mechanical modifications. If it was to comply with the year of manufacture of the car or the year of the parts used like the current system it should be fine.
The problem is with Kit cars inc hot rods. You build a car from scratch and its first year of registation is what it needs to comply with, we havebeen looking at building a kit car from the 60s and it has to have ABS, AIR bags and all kinds of crap for a car that would only ever be on historic rego and the same as others that have been registered since the 60s. its rediculous

On a side not, get a HQ chassis and modify it and build it up and have it registered as a body modified HQ, or as alot of 4x4 guys to is register their unregisterable 4x4 monsters as tractors

cheers
Scott

[Tsunamix]

Under the new rules, my 1966 mazda 1000 coupe (of which there are stuff all left in australia) , which has been modified to 4 wheel disc brakes, and re-engined with a 10a rotary, needs to be crash tested as the 10a rotary was not ever sold in the coupe body, just the sedan. That makes it an ICV. God forbid i should use a modern renesis on the grounds thats it's emissions compliant...

Right - crashing a 30k value car of which there is about 3 in QLD, so I can rego it. Way to go. Of course I could be misunderstanding the new regulations BUT SINCE THEY WONT F**CKING RELEASE THE DOCUMENTATION ....

[Kurtp]

zzz, this happened in victoria, i can't even have a CAI or a sports exhaust.

[PaRaDoX]

as the title states, follow the link and sign

Fair Registration for Modified Vehicles Petition

basically the gist of it is that they want most modified vehicles to be classed as individually constructed vehicles, meaning it must pass the current adr's to be able to be rego'd.

think about all that adr crap for a second, crash testing, emissions requirements etc. you've got more chance of winning lotto than getting your hotrod, muscle car etc passed!

dunno if this petition will achieve anything but its worth signing anyway, lets hope this bull***t law dont get passed because if it happens in one state you can bet your last dollar it would go nationwide before long

welcome to Victoria.

[dirt drifter]

so victoria already has a similar system in place where its damn near impossible to have a legally modified car?

there seems to be a lot of tough cars down that way. V8's, turbos, new and old. so most, if not all of them are illegal?

[VN_Luke]

No, In Victoria you have to comply with the ADR's that are stamped on the car originally.

From what I understand, the RTA wants to change the definition of what a "modified vehicle" or "individually constructed vehicle" is.

In reality, it makes sense that some 'modified' cars - i.e. a hotrod that retains only a 'resemblence' to the original shape, but the chassis, body, etc have all changed, should be classed as 'individually constructed' cars.

This is actually already in place:

Vehicles built on specially constructed floorpan or chassis structures are referred to as Individually Constructed Vehicles
(‘ICVs’). Some extensively modified production vehicles are also classified as individually constructed vehicles. These
vehicles must comply with current design and safety standards as well as meeting recognised standards for strength and
controllability.
A vehicle will be classified as an individually constructed vehicle if it is:
�� A vehicle with a specially constructed chassis (non production vehicle) or a manufactured replica chassis.
�� A vehicle where the chassis has been widened or narrowed (either in places or along the whole length of the
chassis).
�� A vehicle with a production chassis which does not retain at least one of the original structural crossmembers in
the same place for that chassis.
�� A vehicle where the arrangement of the engine and driveline is substantially changed eg: engine moved from front
to rear or to a ‘mid mounted’ position. Also, where the vehicle is changed from front wheel to rear wheel drive.
�� A vehicle with monocoque construction, where the subframe structure has undergone significant structural change
such as removal and replacement of subframes with structures of a different design or modifications to inner
mudguard panels, if this involves relocation or modification of the subframe rails.

And it makes sense at the moment

- I would like to see what they want to change the definition to... because they might upset some people fitting LPG systems, tow bars, bullbars, wheelchair access systems, dual-drive conversions, stereo systems.... etc - does anyone have this information?

Anyway - it's in their best interest to still have modified vehicles present on the roads - after all, a modified car on the road is worth a lot more to the government than sitting in your shed....... think engineering/inspection cost, rego, insurance, fuel, fines, etc

[dirt drifter]

found this on another forum

here is a response from one person who was at the meeting with the NSW RTA. Yes it was an ASRF (Aust Street Rod Federation) member but at least we now know its not bulldust.

This WILL affect every modified car and likely to be implemented in December, with a revised engineering scheme in Feb next year. This only affects NSW at this stage, but it will eventually affect every state eventually, so take note.
We NEED to unite as a whole, and that means rods, street machines, ricers etc. Unless the numbers stack up then the pollies wont care. A show of hands speak louder than words, thats how minority groups get stupid law changes through, they scream louder than all the others.

Sign this petition and show your support
Fair Registration for Modified Vehicles Petition


Quote:
It has been well documented that the RTA has been working for several years on a revised version of the Modified Production Code of Practice that we register our vehicles to today. The document that the RTA is working with to replace the Code of Practice is called VSB14 (The National Code of Practice for Modified Vehicles) a subclause of this document is the National Guidelines for Street Rods. This document is a Technical Document that most States with the exception of NSW and QLD have adopted as Policy. The ASRF has been dealing with the RTA to implement a registration system for Street Rods utilising the Technical Guidelines from this document.

On Friday 2nd July 2010 two members of the ASRF Committee (myself and Darren Abela) met with the RTA, in this three hour meeting several issues were discussed, one of which was the RTA proposed that Street Rods should look at adopting the line of an ICV with exemptions, another was discussed regarding a restricted registration based on the above document with restricted days of road use. The RTA asked that we the ASRF Committee submit a revised proposal considering these options. I am at present finalising our revised submission based on an unrestricted registration scheme. The Committee will review this revised proposal before submission to the RTA.

As mentioned above the RTA is working on the replacement Guidelines and in their wisdom are not looking to implement it as a whole document, we were given a portion of the draft document be it half a page defining what they might classify as an ICV. If implemented this portion this would make most heavily modified vehicles ICV’s, but this is draft document only.
I would like to make a point at this time that the RTA a couple of years ago put VSB14 (National Code of Practice for Modified Vehicles) out for public comment and to the Working Parties who assisted in the development of the Modified Production Code of Practice we register vehicles to today, (this document was original implemented in 1994) however the ASRF who was part of the original Working Party was not consulted (they were forgotten). This document has been closed for Public Comment for some time now, technically the ASRF or any other party other than the working party have no rebuff on this document, however the RTA have advised they would like our input on any issues in this document. We are still waiting on a complete draft of the VSB14.

Another point raised at the meeting was the implementation of the revised VSI50 (Raising and lowering of vehicles) this has been well documented through the ASRF as the ASRF Committee brokered a deal with the RTA that Street Rods have exemption to this document. The RTA advised that they are looking to implement VSI50 in August 2010 and there will be a grace period.

The RTA also advised that the new Engineering System is hoped to be implemented in February 2011.

On another matter and I hope I am not speaking out of term, but to try and minimise phone calls and people’s concerns that nothing is being done for post 49 vehicles, I am meeting with some prominent car enthusiasts this Friday, with the intent of the group to establish an Umbrella Association for all vehicle registrations (i.e. Street Machines, Vintage & Veteran, 4 Wheel Drives, Modified Vehicles, etc). This Association will not be looking at taking over the registration or administration from these car groups, it is purely for numbers, if a group has issues or needs assistance in registration with numbers backing an Association we can achieve a lot more than each individual group on its own. I agree with some people’s opinions in this forum that things look dark however on a brighter note we have people ready to take the fight, we need to not get confused about these issues, not think some organisation is going to take over the world, we just need to trust and assist those taking up the fight after all we are all motor enthusiast looking to keep what we believe is rightfully ours. Years ago I figured out that it was ok to complain once, but if you want results you need to take action, you need to do it in the right process and in due course to get the right results.

We will keep you informed on further information pertaining to the Umbrella Association.

I would like to remind everybody that the Directors and Committees of the ASRF are Volunteers, no one is being paid for their efforts.

Something to think about when talking to Politicians you talk numbers, the more numbers the bigger the ears open up, Politicians talk electorate (numbers) an electorate is equal to 47,500 voters so if we have 600,000 members under one Umbrella Association we should be able to pull a chair up to the table when needed.

At this point I would like to thank all those who are supporting us in this fight to keep our Hobbies, Passions and Heritage alive.

I hope this has cleared up some confusion.

he's right, all car enthusiasts need to get together to fight this crap. i really hope this umbrella group they speak of gets going with a strong following

i dont like the sound of that VS150 suspension legislation, sounds like the crap they tried to bring in a while ago with no height adjustment more than 50mm. the hotrod crowd got an exemption so they wont help us. lets hope the 4X4 crowd kicks up a stink again and gets it knocked back