Mobile Speed Cameras Reinstated in NSW to lower the road toll

[Low_VX_Taxi]

The state government has bowed to pressure from police and road safety experts and reintroduced mobile speed cameras as part of a $170 million effort to reduce the road toll.

The package, to be announced by the Minister for Transport, David Campbell, this morning, includes a $50 million safety audit of six main highways, $50 million worth of repairs and upgrades to areas with a high level of crashes and an increase in speeding fines of 5 per cent.

But dont worry because these "unmarked hidden camera" locations will be publicised on the RTA website

In an effort to stem a backlash from motorists and head off claims of ''revenue raising'', the government will make the possible locations of the new cameras well known through the Roads and Traffic Authority website.

One thing I found interesting is that its mainly (not solely) based on the "success" on reduction in the road toll in Victoria, I dont know about other periods but from what I saw of the holiday road tolls Vic was right on par with most other states:

''In Victoria the mobile speed cameras are the centrepiece of our road safety campaign. We know that they work and we know that they save lives,'' Mr Lay said.

Just want to state straight off, don't bother with "Just don't speed", I more so created this as I personally feel a large increase marked police cars are a better solution and not only will reduce speeding due to their road presence but will reduce other crimes also. Plus more jobs are always good

[mischa]

Cool, now instead of driving 10kmh below the limit just through speed cameras people will be doing it everywhere!!!

I wonder how many of those vans are going to get vandalise or the operater assaulted.

As one of the cops said on TV the other night (I cant remember who), without them physically pulling the person over and getting to talk to them its a just a bill in the mail...

[GetToDaChopa]

I've stopped caring now about what the government tries to do. Put cameras in? yeah what the hell, put 2 instead of one. Why don't they put the money towards the police, put an extra car on the road! but no they have to do it their way. Who cares anymore. They'll never have a good idea out of them.

[Verynice]

Lower the road toll or raise the revenue?

[Low_VX_Taxi]

Removed

[mischa]

hmmm

road toll reduction<cost<revenue

[Grennan]

Mr Lay is a ****ing moron. Plain and simple. He doesnt have a ****ing clue what happens in his own state let alone NSW.

[graham7773]

more marked police cars don't work either. I been driving for a very long time and it works this way. Fixed cameras, slow people down in front of them. Marked Police cars, slow people down while they can see them. Once their gone, the people go back up to their 10 or 20 k above the speed limit. Advertising where mobile cameras are going to be is just bl##dy stupid, they become the same as fixed cameras. What has to happen is everybody wake up and stick to any legal speed limit. Want to go fast? Get on a track! It seems to be a nod and a wink. I have been on expressways at 10 over the 110k limit and both cars and trucks just hurtle past me like I'm standing still. Neither I or anybody else seems to have an answer. Anybody???

[Maxxiz]

Hahhaah god I love how everyones complaining about this.
We've had them here in ACT for years. Yes they are a pain in the ass, yes they sometimes sneak up on you, but usually theres enough time to slam your brakes if for instance you were over the limit.
No the operator doesnt get harrased whoever said that? :/
I dunno about these new ones but here the vans have magnets on them saying not to approach the van, possibly because of that and also becasue of someone once stealing the numberplate, putting it on their car and speeding past it 7 times lol.

[nathanVY]

possibly because of that and also becasue of someone once stealing the numberplate, putting it on their car and speeding past it 7 times lol.

hahha what a great idea....

i think it's funny that theyre basing theyre "road toll reductions" off victoria, which clearly aren't working.
on the other hand it makes perfect sense if theyre revenue raising because that seems to be working well for victoria.

[TVR-190]

the camera cars have double coated lexan glass all round, even the cops dont get that. so they are saying speed cameras are more important than an officer.

[minux]

more marked police cars don't work either. I been driving for a very long time and it works this way. Fixed cameras, slow people down in front of them. Marked Police cars, slow people down while they can see them. Once their gone, the people go back up to their 10 or 20 k above the speed limit. Advertising where mobile cameras are going to be is just bl##dy stupid, they become the same as fixed cameras. What has to happen is everybody wake up and stick to any legal speed limit. Want to go fast? Get on a track! It seems to be a nod and a wink. I have been on expressways at 10 over the 110k limit and both cars and trucks just hurtle past me like I'm standing still. Neither I or anybody else seems to have an answer. Anybody???

What has to happen is pansy governments need to raise speed limits and increase and improve driver training. Remove speed cameras, up police numbers present on the road, up the fines and point losses (eg 130 on a freeway base speed, 140 = 6 points loss and 800 fine) It is that simple.

Nothing will change though...it is too easy to change.

[Jesterarts]

I always get so bloody sick and tired of how the ****ing police and the bloody goverment jam this ****ing stupid connection between speed and the road toll down out throats.

It's got abso-****ing-lutely nothing to do with speed or speeding, it's got to to with the fact driver education is shit in this country and there are a LOT of ****ing retards on the roads.

It's about knowing your vehicle, knowing your capabilities, understanding the conditions and not drivingt like a ****ing idiot.

But, in order to properly address the issue, it would involve the govermetn SEPNDING money on proper driver education and putting through non-****ing-retard road policies, while installing more speed camera's get them more revenue.

What a joke.

PS, sorry about my swearing and saying 'retard' alot. I'm in a crap mood this morning.

[Calaber]

Not trying to divert this thread, but the argument that police put out regarding "high visibility policing preventing accidents/deaths/martiian invasions etc," seems a bit of a furphy when you see the practice some of them adopt. Near my home is a stop sign which has a high rate of disobedience. The HWP know it, so they park about 200m down the road and just watch the intersection, then take off and book any dill that goes through the stop sign without stopping.

Now, if going through stop signs is dangerous, and high visibility policing prevents accidents and increases compliance, wouldn't it be more sensible to park in plain view of the intersection to ensure that drivers complied with the stop sign and there was no danger of collisions occurring? Nahhh, that's too intelligent, and we'd never get any revenue, would we?

[Grennan]

Yes but Calaber, they don't get to issue fines that way. No money = no point.

Fines do nothing to deter people. Oh no you got told off a month after you did something wrong. Yes thats going to show me. I probably dont even remember doing it. Like when youre training dogs, you dont punish them for something that has happened hours later because they just dont connect the dots. Punishment needs to happen swiftly for effect. This is reactive policing at its best. You want to stop people speeding? Get police on the roads, visual presence. Increase driver training and the difficulty to get your license and then implement speed cameras for the few that get through the holes.

[Stressball]

We've had them up here for years now, I know the stereotype for people against them is "they just don't like getting caught", but they seriously are just for revenue raising. They hide in the least visible places they can to rake in money, there's no denying that. Up here they have to put a sign up saying Speed camera in use, within a certain distance from the car. They always put it on the far side of the van, so you can't see it til you're past it, and they put it parallel with the road, so its not even legible until you are next to the sign, 2m past the van. If they're going to make it a requirement that they have to have signs up, they should probably make it a requirement that it can be read too
Also, incidentally,

I have been on expressways at 10 over the 110k limit and both cars and trucks just hurtle past me like I'm standing still.

Lolwut? "I was speeding but they were speeding more than me!!!"? Yeah, great argument there sherlock

[sleepa]

Yes but Calaber, they don't get to issue fines that way. No money = no point.

Fines do nothing to deter people. Oh no you got told off a month after you did something wrong. Yes thats going to show me. I probably dont even remember doing it. Like when youre training dogs, you dont punish them for something that has happened hours later because they just dont connect the dots. Punishment needs to happen swiftly for effect. This is reactive policing at its best. You want to stop people speeding? Get police on the roads, visual presence. Increase driver training and the difficulty to get your license and then implement speed cameras for the few that get through the holes.

Agree 100%

With a bit of experience you can pick mobile speed camera cars even though it is a bit more difficult now that they don't have the blue microwave out the front anymore.

I saw a mobile speed camera car hidden behind a huge "speed camera in area" sign, coming down a steep hill. First time ever that i've seen one in vic that has a sign posted.lol. He didn't get me, but I reckon everyone else was screwed, I did see a wrx slam on its brakes as he went past though.

Best Anti speeding device I have seen, apart from more cops on the road is on the cragieburn bypass, you have a series of cameras along it, it takes your total time for the trip, and if you are speeding overall you will get a fine. But the best thing about it is you need to be speeding pretty heavily, my old cars speedo went out without me noticing so I was driving at 110 when I thought I was doing 100, and I didn't get a fine on the bypass! By the end of the weekend was a different story

And if they don't do that, at least have all the camera cars painted hot pink so people can see them easier.

[Stressball]

...a series of cameras along it, it takes your total time for the trip, and if you are speeding overall you will get a fine

They have been doing this with trucks for years, most of the time they haul ass through the first point, keep speeding, then find a truckstop, get lunch, have a sleep, then keep going. In theory it could work if they put the cameras on a stretch of road that you cannot stop on, or get off that particular road, like a 1km stretch of motorway with barely any shoulder, and no exits.

Ultimately though I think it would be a bad thing on a motorway, because people would be paranoid. You wouldn't just have people driving 10kmh under at the camera point, they'd be doign 10kmh under all along the whole stretch.

[sleepa]

They have been doing this with trucks for years, most of the time they haul ass through the first point, keep speeding, then find a truckstop, get lunch, have a sleep, then keep going. In theory it could work if they put the cameras on a stretch of road that you cannot stop on, or get off that particular road, like a 1km stretch of motorway with barely any shoulder, and no exits.

Ultimately though I think it would be a bad thing on a motorway, because people would be paranoid. You wouldn't just have people driving 10kmh under at the camera point, they'd be doign 10kmh under all along the whole stretch.

Yeah, that's what I thought when I first heard about it, but since I ended up driving 10kmh over the limit and not getting a fine, its seems like you'd have to be going pretty fast to get booked.

Anyway it's a lot fairer then the current system where if you make a slight speeding error as you go past a camera you get stung no matter what.

And I don't think people realise the system coz heaps of people still slow down for the cameras, then speed back up again.

[Low_VX_Taxi]

What has to happen is pansy governments need to raise speed limits and increase and improve driver training. Remove speed cameras, up police numbers present on the road, up the fines and point losses (eg 130 on a freeway base speed, 140 = 6 points loss and 800 fine) It is that simple.

Nothing will change though...it is too easy to change.

Unfortunately the people devising the solutions are idiots. Plain and simple.

I always get so bloody sick and tired of how the ****ing police and the bloody goverment jam this ****ing stupid connection between speed and the road toll down out throats.

It's got abso-****ing-lutely nothing to do with speed or speeding, it's got to to with the fact driver education is shit in this country and there are a LOT of ****ing retards on the roads.

It's about knowing your vehicle, knowing your capabilities, understanding the conditions and not drivingt like a ****ing idiot.

But, in order to properly address the issue, it would involve the govermetn SEPNDING money on proper driver education and putting through non-****ing-retard road policies, while installing more speed camera's get them more revenue.

What a joke.

PS, sorry about my swearing and saying 'retard' alot. I'm in a crap mood this morning.

*Slowly hands Jester a very strong coffee

Not trying to divert this thread, but the argument that police put out regarding "high visibility policing preventing accidents/deaths/martiian invasions etc," seems a bit of a furphy when you see the practice some of them adopt. Near my home is a stop sign which has a high rate of disobedience. The HWP know it, so they park about 200m down the road and just watch the intersection, then take off and book any dill that goes through the stop sign without stopping.

Now, if going through stop signs is dangerous, and high visibility policing prevents accidents and increases compliance, wouldn't it be more sensible to park in plain view of the intersection to ensure that drivers complied with the stop sign and there was no danger of collisions occurring? Nahhh, that's too intelligent, and we'd never get any revenue, would we?

Interesting point, I think HWP should be more of a protection role, not a revenue making role. Poor goals have resulted in the above scenario.

[Ace_VP]

What has to happen is pansy governments need to raise speed limits and increase and improve driver training. Remove speed cameras, up police numbers present on the road, up the fines and point losses (eg 130 on a freeway base speed, 140 = 6 points loss and 800 fine) It is that simple.

Nothing will change though...it is too easy to change.

What he said. Improve driver training and then raise the speed limits. Higher speed limits on freeways wont be possible until peoplenow how to use them properly.

I would also like to point out that these cameras and any other speed camera have absolutely nothing to do with police. Police uses stats from their personal computer systems, analyse them and then come up with strategies to decrease accidents in certain areas etc etc. As many have said most police disagree with them, they work at reducing road tolls on a 200m stretch of road but do nothing anywhere else. A speed camera is cheaper for the RTA than rebuilding a stretch of road. There is a section of road between Mudgee and Lithgow where you come off a really steep hill and round a really sharp off camber left hander. Instead of regrading the road and re-doing the bend to make it safer they whack up a massive REDUCE SPEED sign.

The government should look at 4 things if they want to lower the road toll;
1) Improve driver training
2) Improve the quality of roads
3) Increase police presence on roads
4) increase speed limits (once the roads are of a standard that its safe to do so)

This is why germany has the fastest yet safest roads in the world because they do all of these 4 and do it well. Every stretch of Autobarn is monitored via cameras so when something happens they know about it s straight away and deal with it.

[*uwishn*]

its a load of fu#@cking bull#$hit!!!!!!
raise the revenue,but more people will be on the doll because they have no licence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ace_VP]

its a load of fu#@cking bull#$hit!!!!!!
raise the revenue,but more people will be on the doll because they have no licence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They may raise revenure but its not the fault of speed cameras that those people dont have a licence, they control their right foot, not the camera.

[*uwishn*]

so you don't drive 6ks over never????????????????????????? do you watch the road or your speedo!!!

[soop]

Fairly sure he's a coppa. He has to say that haha.