Power limit for new drivers

[Nessie1996]

To sum up what I wanna say: a lot of accidets these days are P-Plater hoons in over-powered cars. (not to say over-cautious hesitant drivers dont cause shit too) but the amount of commodores and falcons we find wrapped around trees in Aus is just silly. Thats why I ask the forums; do you think it would be an okay idea to put a kW limit on P-Platers? Perhaps around about 130-150kW MAX.

Don't rage me, I drive a VS S2 = 147kW. Therefore I would have had to forfiet the right to puschase and drive my car, but I really don't need the power that my car puts out at the wheels, and my car is piss-weak compared to the shit out on the road that I see with P-Plates on. I just think our infrastructure does not safely support the high-power cars we produce and love so much. So it is relatively unsafe to have brand spankin new drivers in high-power cars with out sweet f' all experience.

Thoughts?

Joel

[STEALTHY™]

Limits are stupid. The first way to make someone WANT that, is to tell them they cant have it, then they'll do whatever they can to get it. Leave shit as it is, and teach people to drive (and thats not limited to P platers, theres plenty of people who are legally allowed on the road, yet can't drive)

[Nessie1996]

Then perhaps instead power limit licenses. Like motorcycles. you have a "Sub-100kW license" , "Sub-150kW License" and "+150kW License"?

[Bremsoe]

I disagree with the idea the problem is not the cars it's the drivers and the education of the drivers and also a lack of a place to drive like an idiot. The government needs to introduce supervised burn out pads and drag strips open to the public to let off steam or else nothing will stop them speeding or hooning on public roads

[HARVZ-6]

At the end of the day it doesnt matter how much power you have, YOU are controlling the car, if you cant control it your at fault you cant blame a high-powered car for lack of driving ability....

[ari666]

thats how it used to "work" in victoria for years. power to weight ratio, no more than 150kw per metric tonne. which meant that i was able to drive around quite happily in my turbo 180rwkw skyline cos' in stock form they were 153kw for 1260kg. all the cops could do was give you an EPA or canary.

so yeah, hence the quotation marks in use with the word "work".. it didnt. much eaiser for idiot cops to say "this is a turbo, therefore you cant drive it"

the answer to kids getting killed has nothing to do with the power of their car, as a corolla is still capable of 180kmph, its in letting kids take the riegns at 16, and drinking at 21. allowing them to drink and drive a car on the same day is f'ing stupid.

[Maxxiz]

Nothing to do with the power, you can get a laser up past 150k's, even driving at a legal speed of 110 its easy to wrap yourself around a tree. As said, its the drivers not the car.

[one_and_only2004]

1991 Holden nova 1.6L can make it to 180km/h, I think those things had about 80kw from the factory, so how's the power restrictions going to save you there? I think the best way to do it would be to make rego really REALLY expensive for cars older than 10 years, that way people are encouraged to ditch these old cars and find something newer and most likely safer.

[*uwishn*]

don't be cut cause your vs is a nugget, and you cant afford to buy something with balls.

[HARVZ-6]

1991 Holden nova 1.6L can make it to 180km/h, I think those things had about 80kw from the factory, so how's the power restrictions going to save you there? I think the best way to do it would be to make rego really REALLY expensive for cars older than 10 years, that way people are encouraged to ditch these old cars and find something newer and most likely safer.

And then all the sensible people, that either want an older car or cant afford anything newer cant afford to keep a car rego'd... see that idea working

[one_and_only2004]

And then all the sensible people, that either want an older car or cant afford anything newer cant afford to keep a car rego'd... see that idea working

Less retards on the road. Double win.

[HARVZ-6]

Less retards on the road. Double win.

And thats exactly the one sided attitude that contributes to the stupid laws in the first place, perhaps the government has a place for you?

[one_and_only2004]

And thats exactly the one sided attitude that contributes to the stupid laws in the first place, perhaps the government has a place for you?

Most likely they do. The main reasons that there's so many ********s on the road is because it's so cheap to register a car, it's cheap and easy to get licensed, and it's pretty cheap if you get caught being stupid. Driving on the road is a privelage, not a right - so if you charge accordingly the ones who can't afford it use public transport, and the ones who can actually behave themselves.
Hence Double win.

[HARVZ-6]

Not sure when you did your licence testing, but its not as cheap as you must think...

rego.. 170+ bucks for 3 months isnt cheap...

I have a vl calais and a vt, why should i pay say, double the rego cost, because they are atleast 10 years old?

If morons cant drive why penalize everyone else?


Its double fail in my books

[ari666]

Less retards on the road. Double win.

wow. i am not sure why i feel a little insulted by a guy that drives a ute... but somehow i am...

[Chris E]

Power limits are useless. I'm currently driving a 1984 mitsubishi sigma, with well under 100 kilowatts, and it is still capable of 160km/h+.

The only way to make driving for provisional license holders safer is for them to actually learn how to control a car, not just how many metres from a bus station you can park etc.

But that is too difficult and too expensive, so until that happens, people have to live with the road toll.

[aussie_macca]

Most likely they do. The main reasons that there's so many ********s on the road is because it's so cheap to register a car, it's cheap and easy to get licensed, and it's pretty cheap if you get caught being stupid. Driving on the road is a privelage, not a right - so if you charge accordingly the ones who can't afford it use public transport, and the ones who can actually behave themselves.
Hence Double win.

so farmers that live 100+km away from public transport and dont see the point in spending big bucks on a new car that they are just going to fill with hay and fence posts should be charged a fortune for reg if they dont want to upgrade their old reliable hilux or landcruiser? and what people with money behave themselves do they? tell me right now that you couldnt go on youtube and find 100,000+ videos of people in new porche's doing silly crap, or 94 rx7's with 50k spent on them going nuts on the streets, not to mention the vast number of youngsters whos daddy buys them a new xr6 or ss when they get their license, and they are perfectly behaved are they? i dont see the problem with a youngster or their parents opting for their first car to be a bloody charade or camry or some old bucket since they are only going to end up denting it at some point anyways (not always by stupidity, could be getting use to parking at a back beach for all we know) in summary us "retards" (yes your a dick for instantly going for cheap insults) that are under 25 might not feel like paying the 2+k a year for a new car or getting into big debt just to be able to get to work and back.

[edals]

I Had the same idea with power limits, Same as what they have with Bikes, No More then 150KW per ton for Ls and Ps. I did contact the Head of RTA with this idea, As Learners can drive any powered Diesel so long as its not turbo, So they can drive the new VW V12 with 350KW, but its diesel and not turbo.
But apparently they have already trailed this and apparently its not practical.
I dont understand why its not as it works fine with bikes, and again Power limits, I can ride a 1000cc bike & drink, yet i can only drive a V6 cause and not drink.
We really need to adopt what they do in Germany and instructors teach and not the parents, and Leaners start off in the safest car.
As for a comment that mentioned to put rego high on older cars, not everyone can afford 5 star safety rating cars, The government would need to step in and help out like they did in germany.

[stockyvrcalais]

1991 Holden nova 1.6L can make it to 180km/h, I think those things had about 80kw from the factory, so how's the power restrictions going to save you there? I think the best way to do it would be to make rego really REALLY expensive for cars older than 10 years, that way people are encouraged to ditch these old cars and find something newer and most likely safer.

thats just stupid, tell you what, you buy me a new car and ill happily drive it

[Ace_VP]

I dont think a power limit would work, for example a 200kw 4wd is alot different to a 200kw hatch or sedan. I dont think limits are the answer,I tend tyo agree with what has been said above, and I have also said it in other threads, adequate driver training is the answer. A pwerful car is no different to a toyota echo in terms of safety for P-platers if their attitude is a safe one.

If power limits are introduced then it should be based on power to weight.

[stockyvrcalais]

kids these days learn to drive in cars with 4 wheel discs, abs, power steer, esp, airbags etc etc i can go on and on, so many safety features and driver aides the cars practically drive themselves, i for example learnt to drive in a 66 Valiant, thats right, 4 wheel unassisted drum brakes, no power steer, no nothing, what im getting at is with todays cars the inexperienced driver has a false sense of reality.

[stockyvrcalais]

I dont think a power limit would work, for example a 200kw 4wd is alot different to a 200kw hatch or sedan. I dont think limits are the answer,I tend tyo agree with what has been said above, and I have also said it in other threads, adequate driver training is the answer. A pwerful car is no different to a toyota echo in terms of safety for P-platers if their attitude is a safe one.

If power limits are introduced then it should be based on power to weight.

here here well said

[strgas]

more and more laws yet who enforces them from day to day , we've had power restriction for years here in vic and still P platers and young drivers crash and die aswell as full license holders . just cant stop stupid from being stupid

[stockyvrcalais]

more and more laws yet who enforces them from day to day , we've had power restriction for years here in vic and still P platers and young drivers crash and die aswell as full license holders . just cant stop stupid from being stupid

thats pretty much the bottom line mate

[kniever]

To sum up what I wanna say: a lot of accidets these days are P-Plater hoons in over-powered cars. (not to say over-cautious hesitant drivers dont cause shit too) but the amount of commodores and falcons we find wrapped around trees in Aus is just silly. Thats why I ask the forums; do you think it would be an okay idea to put a kW limit on P-Platers? Perhaps around about 130-150kW MAX.

Don't rage me, I drive a VS S2 = 147kW. Therefore I would have had to forfiet the right to puschase and drive my car, but I really don't need the power that my car puts out at the wheels, and my car is piss-weak compared to the shit out on the road that I see with P-Plates on. I just think our infrastructure does not safely support the high-power cars we produce and love so much. So it is relatively unsafe to have brand spankin new drivers in high-power cars with out sweet f' all experience.

Thoughts?

Joel

so because a vs v6 has too much power for you to handle then thats the same for all the other p platers?