My dog tried eating another dog for breakky.... Laws?

[Kikki]

This morning I was walking my dog, Jazmine and as I was walking down the road a guy on the opposite side was also walking his dog, but his feral excuse of a dog was off lead (my dog was on a short lead as always).

His dog walked over the road and started to approach Jaz, I quickly asked him if he could call his dog back as she doesn't get along with other dogs, well not strange dogs anyhow.

Again, I asked but this time louder as jaz started to get that tuff bitch staffy look to her, tail up, head wrinkled. He looked over again and just ignored me.

I asked him THREE times to call his dog and he still allowed it to approach Jazmine, who then as I tried my best to continue to walk pulling her with this feral dog sniffing her ass, she grabbed this dog by its HEAD and began fighting with it, the other dog was fighting back, for a little while.

So after i managed to pull this dog out of Jazmines mouth he was going off his nut at me telling me to muzzle my dog etc (I swiftly replied that a muzzle would suit him better) and that he knows where i live and he's going to make sure the Ranger hears about this, shes a vicious breed and shouldn't be allowed blah blah....

So question is, what situation are we in? My dog was on a lead, his dog wasn't, I warned him many times only to be ignored.

Jaz is not by all means a viscous dog with people etc, shes great with the kids, we have 2 dogs and they are fine together (I'd worry more about my kelpie if you jumped the fence).

Are we looking at having to have her put down?

[MasterOfReality]

As far as I know, dogs are supposed to be kept on leads at all times when out in public.

His fault.

I wouldn't worry about it.

We had the same issues with unrestrained dogs approaching our leashed Doberman lol, and our Border Collie, and never heard anything from it.

[Kikki]

Yeah thats exactly what I assumed. If we had of been in a off leash area then I would be at fault of course. I know she isnt the best with other dogs, hence why i walk her between 4-5am, but seriously I though maybe this guy was deaf or something, he just looked at me and did nothing ARGH!!

[minux]

Regardless of whether his dog was off leash or not, you have said here your dog "attacked".

You may get lucky and may only require a muzzle, it could be worse and the animal may have to be destroyed, was the other dog injured?
I am speaking from experience, my family bred german shepherds for 28 years. My parents lost a german import in the exact manner as you have mentioned.

[Kikki]

I tied Jaz to a fence and we looked at his dog, apart from a scratch above its eye (actually looks like a cat kind of scratch) he was fine and STILL tried to go near jaz.

After this morning I'm more than happy to get a muzzle for her, I hated not having any control over her thinking the lead would be enough, but still, if he had of called his dog back after being asked 3 times, surely I cant be at fault.

[ClairBear]

I don't know the laws on this, but one would assume if your dog is restrained by a leash and the other dog is roaming free and approached your dog, then surely the other owner is at fault for not keeping his dog on a leash.

Hope nothing comes of this for your sake Kikki

[Tsunamix]

I am not familiar with the laws on this...

But the owner is 100% responsible for a dogs actions. Training is paramount if your going to have a pet in a social environment.

Badly trained dogs are the OWNERS fault. If the dog was not called back by the OWNER then the OWNER showed bad judgement. It's like a child not being taught the difeerence between right and wrong. Thats the parents fault.

[LUMPY 8]

that happened 2 my dog... kinda.... she was on a lead, another dog ran out of a property and scared her and she attacked...... the other dogs owner came out and started abusing me saying i should have control of my dog. I said "my dog is on a f$#ken lead and urs came running out 2 us." he just said ''expect your dog 2 be put down.'' Less than a week later his dog got destroyed because it attacked some old guy on a gopher. But anywho because his dog was roaming around and urs was on a leash ur dog shouldnt get put down

[CSP]

Precisely why every dog, and their owners should be required by law to go to socialising/obedience sessions. They get used to other dogs and learn how to interact properly. Not only that but a well trained dog will obey its master without question and only do what its told.

[fuzzy2308]

if any thing comes of it their dog was not on a leid and it ran across the road and attacked your dog blah blah blah. get creative with the story

[sleepa]

I doubt anything will happen, I have had experiences with people like that and they all talk bullshit. Besides, his dog was off a lead, not being controlled by him, and caused an incident with another dog.
It would be different if your dog decided to walk up to the other dog and start attacking it for no reason.

I walk my dog off lead most of the time, as she actually stays closer to me than on lead and doesn't try to run off if she sees another dog. But I have trained her to do that. And in saying that I often walk her when no-one else is around as people are scared of her for some reason, she's not even in the slightest aggresive.

[soop]

If you were in NSW i'd say Hide the dog. We had no end of trouble with the rangers in NSW over pathetic crap. Dogs barked, rendered dangerous...

logically and Morally I'd say you're in the clear. How ever thats not how the world works unfortunately.

[Ace_VP]

Im not 100% on the laws, generally when it comes to these things police only get involved when the dog has attacked a person. Dog on dog attacks are dealt with by local council rangers. I would guess that because the other guy had his dog off the leash (which is an offence outside of designated off the leash areas) he is negligent and you have given adequate warning for old mate to get his dog away.

Having said that I would be going out and getting your dog a muzzle now that you know it is capable of this. That way if the ranger comes knocking on your door you can explain the situation and show how you have taken steps to prevent your dog doing something like that again. Whilst yes his dog was off the leash your dog still attacked his and local councils frown upon this because it makes them ask the question "If it can attack in this situation what other situations might it attack in. Could it also attack a person?"

[Kikki]

I spoke to the ranger and he hopes the guy calls him as he is at fault because his dog was off a lead, even if his dog had of been injured HE still would be at fault. He said its almost as stupid as people trying to charge someone for dangerous driving if their dog runs on the road and gets hit by a car.... PHEW!

He took the details of the incident, street, time etc and said that IF this fella calls him he will take all of his details and then he'll be fined up to $150 for having his dog unsecured causing incident.

He also gave me some numbers for doggy groups around the area, so hopefully they'll help me out with socialising Jaz, with a muzzle of course (which I got today).

Thanks for the replies peeps!

[excalibur]

i just wouldve kicked the shit out of the other dog Christie, and then kicked the shit out of the owner Fkn Retard

[Pete_perth]

I would like to comment as an armchair expert (but really I don't know how they will interpret it). First of all I think that the general rule is that the owner is responsible for the actions of their dog. So the other loser who walks without a lead may be penalised for letting his dog walk untethered, but as a person who already knew your dog does not like other dogs, the question "why was your dog not muzzled?" will be hard to answer especially if the first question is "does your dog like other dogs?"

OK I have expressed my inner judge judy, but to be honest, it's just an opinion.

[wana s' charge stock vt]

surely ya dog cant get put down for having 1 fight.... mayb if it attacked every dog in the neighbor hood or a person yeah, but not from just one unrestrained dog approaching yours, sniffing his ass and getting eaten....it would just be ridiculous...

[Ace_VP]

I spoke to the ranger and he hopes the guy calls him as he is at fault because his dog was off a lead, even if his dog had of been injured HE still would be at fault. He said its almost as stupid as people trying to charge someone for dangerous driving if their dog runs on the road and gets hit by a car.... PHEW!

He took the details of the incident, street, time etc and said that IF this fella calls him he will take all of his details and then he'll be fined up to $150 for having his dog unsecured causing incident.

He also gave me some numbers for doggy groups around the area, so hopefully they'll help me out with socialising Jaz, with a muzzle of course (which I got today).

Thanks for the replies peeps!

Thats a good result. I knew old mate had committed an offence, just wasnt sure if you were in any way liable for your dog attacking his

[Joe Peeps]

consider yourself lucky. dogs get put down for attacking people in their own yards.

if it was a rottweiler/pit bull etc your dog would be dead already. glad it all worked out

[theperthvan]

Your dog is good with kids until it attacks one, that's how it always happens.
Shouldn't have vicious dogs.

[excalibur]

Your dog is good with kids until it attacks one, that's how it always happens.
Shouldn't have vicious dogs.

I dont think the dog is viscious seems to me it was being annoyed by other dog i know when im getting annoyed by idiots i can sometimes attack just so i can be left alone thats all the dog has done.

If other dog was on a lead like it shouldve been it wouldnt have been attacked. Full responsabillity goes to retard owner that cant put a lead on his dog.

so good out come for you Christie

[Darren_L]

glad it all worked out

[soop]

Your dog is good with kids until it attacks one, that's how it always happens.
Shouldn't have vicious dogs.

A friggen King Charles is dangerous if you annoy it enough.

[Jesterarts]

Good to hear you're not going to have any trouble because of some idiots stupidity.

We used to have this sort of thing happen to us all the time when we had our rotti, little stupid white fluffy things going off their head @ our rotti and then when our dog would snap back it was all shock and horror, visious dog, blah blah blah.

People should havce to have a license to own a dog.... and to breed.. but that's another topic for another day...

[Kikki]

Your dog is good with kids until it attacks one, that's how it always happens.
Shouldn't have vicious dogs.

LOL your telling ME! Dude I NEVER EVER leave my kids unattended with my dogs, I don't give a shit how trustworthy they are, I wont allow it. I had my face half ripped off as a kid by "Bo" our cute little cockerspaniel, so regardless of breed, no dogs should be trusted 100% with a child.

I was simply stating my dogs are GREAT with the kids, raised with them, listen to them and obey them as they do me. Where in that did you see I leave my kids unattended with the dogs giving them a chance to attack?

And FWIW, Staffy's aren't vicious dogs, they are just like any other breed of dog, they have instinct, any dog will attack or warn anyone who may be threatening its food, life etc etc regardless of how domesticated they are.

Dont preach to the preacher matey

Thanks guys, I'm glad too! Like I have said before in the other thread a while back about pets, we have had Jaz since last year. She hah never had a collar on, never been socialised, only ever hung around a back yard with no training at all. It's all training since we got her, she was out of control, so its one step at a time and shes improving heaps. Socialising (now we have good lead control and her respect) with other dogs and using a muzzle is next on the list! Oh and she hates the muzzle lol, we had a go with it lastnight using treats and distraction, she was going nuts trying to get it off, but it lasted 15 or so minutes, so we'll get there!


She wouldn't hurt a fly