RTA: Reclusive Tyrants Annoymous

[Dr HaxZaw]

i know i might cop some flak over this but the rules for modifying your car on your p's is starting to really give me the s**ts
i drive a vy which came stock with 155kw and my mate has a ve sv6 which came with 210kw. for some reason if i put any performance mods on my car which might give it an extra 10 kws its called illegal even though the ve still has 45kws more. why cant they just put a limit on how much power the car can have and leave it at that. banning the v8s and the turbos and superchargers i dont have a problem with cause its easier to get more power with them but to ban anything that increases engine performace is in my book the biggest load of bu**sh*t ever.
even if you required to get the car dyno'd by the rta to show that you were below the power limit i wouldnt have a problem but the lets ban all mods theory doesnt work cause people do them anyway and make em so they cant get caught
why not let them make them legally and just keep an eye on them for any crazy or unsafe ones which give the car too much power or affect it some other way.
if they think the car cant handle the extra power give them the option of removing the mods or upgrading the suspension till they think it can.
if they gave you some leeway i think they would have a whole lot less to worry about but obviously the idiot who wants to build his own turbo in his garage and then hit a tree at 200kmh and kill himself ruined it for all of us.
thats my rant for today anyway

[wikky]

Life can be so cruel sometimes......

[minux]

Would you like a tissue?

[ssv 08 ute]

Its easy....dont waste money doing up a car you have now.
Youll be off ya p plates soon enough and have saved enough money to get a V8 !!!!

[soop]

Its not the mods they're worried about, its the ######## mentality that tends to go with it.

You realise your mate is breaking the law also, not allowed to drive a car with 200kw+.

[FstStig]

In NSW, As long as its a Stock V6 its classified as legal. You can still do mods and get away with it, like bigger cams, higher ratio roller rockers, extractors etc.

[soop]

In NSW, As long as its a Stock V6 its classified as legal. You can still do mods and get away with it, like bigger cams, higher ratio roller rockers, extractors etc.

Where did you hear that??

Its pretty clear cut, NO MODIFICATIONS, NO CAR WITH 200kw OR MORE!.

[one_and_only2004]

Where did you hear that??

Its pretty clear cut, NO MODIFICATIONS, NO CAR WITH 200kw OR MORE!.

No,

Prohibited vehicles are those with:

Eight or more cylinders (except diesel).
A turbocharged engine (except diesel).
A supercharged engine (except diesel).
Engine performance modifications that require an engineers' certificate.
Certain high performance six cylinder engine vehicles or other vehicles as described in the publication Novice Drivers - High Performance Vehicle Restrictions.

No idea where you've pulled this 200kw crap from - most likely another state.

[Stressball]

QLD has a ban on any car over 200kw. So does Victoria, which is where Soop is from.

[soop]

Its the LAW in NSW as well, I got my Licence there.
I got my licence just before the laws came in, and heard it all two years ago. Look harder.

If you're that bloody worried about it, either don't modify your car or do it and except the risk. Really wish pimple faced P platers would get over it and move on with life.

[Grennan]

Its the LAW in NSW as well, I got my Licence there.
I got my licence just before the laws came in, and heard it all two years ago. Look harder.

If you're that bloody worried about it, either don't modify your car or do it and except the risk. Really wish pimple faced P platers would get over it and move on with life.

Its not the law in Victoria either. Its no high powered v6 and there is a list of V6s you arent allowed to drive.

[soop]

Unless its been changed in the last two years, the law in NSW is no car with or over 200kw.

Christ its hard to find any info on it though!

[Calaber]

Getting back to the OP. Why the hell can't you wait until you get off your P's before you want to start screwing around getting more grunt out of a car? Whether you like it or not, the laws were intended to prevent inexperienced drivers from getting into trouble driving cars with too much power for their level of experience. In other words, Big Daddy wants to protect you from yourself.

Before you complain about the laws, ask yourself one question. "What am I going to do with the extra power I want?"

The answer is pretty obvious. That's why the laws exist in most states.

[edals]

Unless its been changed in the last two years, the law in NSW is no car with or over 200kw.

Christ its hard to find any info on it though!

Yeah It is a Pain to Find info, But they are correct, If its a Stock V6 its legal (most cases) But on the RTA site theres alot of 6s that are illegal to drive still. Check out the PDF on the Second link, Any mods are illegal.
I Went though a whole thing with the Minister of transport about power to weight ratios, Same as what they use on Bikes, a Max of 650cc but no more power then 150kw per tone. They did a trial of this in Victoria but they deemed it to hard.
Prohibited vehicles

The prohibited vehicle condition restricts provisional (P1 and P2) drivers from driving certain high performance vehicles. The condition applies to provisional licences issued on or after 11 July 2005. The scheme aims to prohibit young driver access to vehicles that are overrepresented in young driver crashes.

Prohibited vehicles are those with:

Eight or more cylinders (except diesel).
A turbocharged engine (except diesel).
A supercharged engine (except diesel).
Engine performance modifications that require an engineers' certificate.
Certain high performance six cylinder engine vehicles or other vehicles as described in the publication Novice Drivers - High Performance Vehicle Restrictions.
The following vehicles are not prohibited vehicles and may be driven by provisional licence holders:

Suzuki Cappuccino 2D Cabriolet Turbo 3 698cc (released between 1/01/1992 - 1/12/1997).
Daihatsu Copen L880 2D Convertible Turbo 4 659cc (released from 1/10/2003).
Smart vehicles (all models).


More Info Here

P1 and P2 vehicle and passenger conditions

P1/P2 - High performance vehicle restrictions

Im Still on Green Ps, Yet i have a open Bike license allowing me to ride any powered bike i wish, and also drink. Figure that one out lol

[Dr HaxZaw]

Whether you like it or not, the laws were intended to prevent inexperienced drivers from getting into trouble driving cars with too much power for their level of experience

i could support you except that rather than saying you can have more power if you attend a set number of driver training courses and so on but no its just a blanket rule... and im sure theres a lot of people who are on their full licence who are less inexperienced than me... im not bragging or nothing by saying that cause i know im not a perfect driver but im better than some out there

Youll be off ya p plates soon enough and have saved enough money to get a V8 !!!!

that another year and a bit away and in the meantime i just want to do some small mods to make the car go a little bit more... im not going to mess around with the exterior and all for another year which i wont even notice when im driving... is an extra 20-30 kw really going to kill me?? cause if i want my car can still get to 160 without too many issues so why do they focus soo much on the cars rather than on the drivers attitude.... i geuss thats my main point that rather than make people drive safer they just limit how quickly they can legally get to 150kmh (yeah i know you cant legally get to 150 lol)

and if any of you do have tissues ill be needing a reasonable supply for the next year so i can get to sleep at night crying over stupid laws

[bandit10]

I think they should restrict all P1 drivers to N/A 4cly cars and all P2 drivers to low powered V6 i.e no alloytec SV6 etc commodores!

Newer V6 commodores are in my opinion way to fast for new drivers, there quicker than the old 5.0 V8's that are restricted to full license holders!

Just my opinion

[edals]

I think they should restrict all P1 drivers to N/A 4cly cars and all P2 drivers to low powered V6 i.e no alloytec SV6 etc commodores!

Newer V6 commodores are in my opinion way to fast for new drivers, there quicker than the old 5.0 V8's that are restricted to full license holders!

Just my opinion

This is Why i want the Power to Weight Ratio brought in. Yet Learners are able to drive a SS with a parent cause sometimes thats all the Parent owns. Im Still on Green Ps But i can go ride a 1000cc Sport Bike as i have my opens for Bikes. One i rode worked out was about 750HP to the tonne !

[Calaber]

i could support you except that rather than saying you can have more power if you attend a set number of driver training courses and so on but no its just a blanket rule... and im sure theres a lot of people who are on their full licence who are less inexperienced than me... im not bragging or nothing by saying that cause i know im not a perfect driver but im better than some out there

You are still on your P plates. It doesn't matter a damn what you think about your driving capabilities - you ARE an inexperienced driver. Full stop.

that another year and a bit away and in the meantime i just want to do some small mods to make the car go a little bit more... im not going to mess around with the exterior and all for another year which i wont even notice when im driving... is an extra 20-30 kw really going to kill me?? cause if i want my car can still get to 160 without too many issues so why do they focus soo much on the cars rather than on the drivers attitude.... i geuss thats my main point that rather than make people drive safer they just limit how quickly they can legally get to 150kmh (yeah i know you cant legally get to 150 lol)
and if any of you do have tissues ill be needing a reasonable supply for the next year so i can get to sleep at night crying over stupid laws

And that sort of statement is proof that you are young and inexperienced, but think you know better. The fact that you WANT your car to be able to get to higher speeds more quickly proves that you have an awful lot to learn yet. Better get a very big supply of tissues.

[edals]

You are still on your P plates. It doesn't matter a damn what you think about your driving capabilities - you ARE an inexperienced driver. Full stop.




And that sort of statement is proof that you are young and inexperienced, but think you know better. The fact that you WANT your car to be able to get to higher speeds more quickly proves that you have an awful lot to learn yet. Better get a very big supply of tissues.

Yep, Laws are Laws, Get use to them. I Think my commie has plenty of power, Not a single Power mod Done cause i cant see the point, Im only ever driving on a freeway and can only do 100. i rarely go above 2500 RPM lol, I want my engine to last :-)

If you want to have some fun go to a drag strip or start doing some racing legally on a track. Or even go to a driving course, iv done a few and learnt heaps, Opens your eyes

[Dr HaxZaw]

It doesn't matter a damn what you think about your driving capabilities - you ARE an inexperienced driver. Full stop.

its good that you can tell me that considering youve never seen me drive... you obviously have some good spy system to do that... i started driving when i was 7 and have been driving ever since... so its not like i just rushed onto my Ls and then onto my Ps

Laws are Laws, Get use to them

im pretty sure people would be up in arms if the government came out and said that any car over 200kw was banned cause they were too powerful... and they would use the same reasons your all using now... that there is no need to do mods or own a powerful car cause you cant use it cause highways are limited too 100... its not like im asking to put a 7 litre v10 and twin turbo it ... i just wanna get some more power to get it closer to the vz-ve commos

also i enjoy working on my car but i dont want to make it look better until i know it goes faster... putting suspension and all on the car is fine but ive seen cars that are more dangerous cause of the crazy suspension than any extra power it might be getting from the mods on it

[one_and_only2004]

its good that you can tell me that considering youve never seen me drive... you obviously have some good spy system to do that... i started driving when i was 7 and have been driving ever since... so its not like i just rushed onto my Ls and then onto my Ps

No one cares that you've been driving since you were seven - I've been cooking food since I was five and I'm still shit at it.

[kuzman89]

I think they should restrict all P1 drivers to N/A 4cly cars and all P2 drivers to low powered V6 i.e no alloytec SV6 etc commodores!

Newer V6 commodores are in my opinion way to fast for new drivers, there quicker than the old 5.0 V8's that are restricted to full license holders!

Just my opinion

My VE SV6 is hardly "too fast". The utes weigh 1600ish and the sedans 1700ish. You need a decent motor too pull that wieght. If anything they should be banning p platers from driving cars that are more then 20 years old. Wayyyyy more likely to die in an old 5l than a sv6. ESP, front+side airbags, lsd etc. I'd rather be driving a faster/safer car than a death trap.
Something to think about, luckily the government won't go there. Imagine the dint on sales of aussie family sedans when buyers find out their kids won't be driving it. Couldn't imagine going to and from work in some gutless 4cyclinder POS either. Leave it as it is, pretty good system.

[kuzman89]

To the OP, mate. Nothings going to change soon. The laws as they are now punish the majority for the actions of a few. Being a car enthusiast does not make you a hoon... nor does your age.

Just do a few stealth mods. Should be plenty for your car.. then tune it. RTAsses won't be able to tell the difference (unless u do something pretty stupid)

[Dr HaxZaw]

No one cares that you've been driving since you were seven - I've been cooking food since I was five and I'm still shit at it.

i know no one cares i was just pointing out that just cause im on my P's doesnt mean im a noob when it comes to driving... the whole point being that the more you do something the better you get at it

Being a car enthusiast does not make you a hoon... nor does your age

thanks man at least someone got the whole point of this... that the restrictions are just a blanket law so the government has an excuse the next time a p-plater dies in a commodore that has a performance exhaust... if they really cared they would change a lot of laws but it would seem the majority of people just prefer hanging s**t on people who want to work on their car and have it drive how they would like it to

[Sabbath']

i know no one cares i was just pointing out that just cause im on my P's doesnt mean im a noob when it comes to driving... the whole point being that the more you do something the better you get at it

So you were driving, unaccompanied, in wet weather, dry weather, fog, heavy traffic, light traffic, dusk, dawn, night, day since you were 7? I think not.

So when it comes to driving, unaccompanied yes, you are a "noob"[/quote]

thanks man at least someone got the whole point of this... that the restrictions are just a blanket law so the government has an excuse the next time a p-plater dies in a commodore that has a performance exhaust... if they really cared they would change a lot of laws but it would seem the majority of people just prefer hanging s**t on people who want to work on their car and have it drive how they would like it to

The statistics about young people dying on the roads are black and white.