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Smoking ban 'trend' in Victoria.
About 2 weeks ago, they finally introduced the smoking ban in the shopping centre area of Frankston, I was there last week, needless to say, it's not working. Even the cafes still leave ashtrays on their tables.
But since this has been introduced, I was walking around Glen Waverley last week and saw a billboard that really made me angry. Monash council is now asking for people to have their say on wether to implement the same ban.
I think its unnecessary, cafe's lose a lot of business when smoking isn't allowed, and there aren't too many places you can smoke in public now without atleast getting a dirty look. If people don't like it, sit on the side of the cafe where smoking isn't permitted, or go elsewhere.
I think its gone too far, your opinions?
Originally Posted by CSP
too bad, get used to the dirty looks cos it is a dirty habbit
"A life lived in fear is a life half lived"
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I love it how they make life so hard for smokers, all these silly bans and what not. Why not just outright ban them?
Oh wait, to much lost revenue.
I dont smoke, yet I think its a ####ing joke.
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Its my choice, I don't force it upon anyone, and if it werent for smokers, wage taxes would be sky high, cigarettes are the highest taxed item available to the public, not even alcohol is that high. The government has blood on its hands, yet wants to be seen as the 'good guys' by progressively rolling out bans and restrictions, the tax they receive from cigarettes is phenomenal.
If I smoke somewhere where I'm not supposed to, then fine, I take the dirty look as if i deserve it, but If im smoking somewhere out of the way, one thing I can't stand is when people go out of their way to walk into my exhaled smoke just to pretend to cough and make a statement. Whats to gain.
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true. As cynical as it sounds, I pay much more tax than the regular non smoker. I should be thanked if anything for their nice hospitals, roads and whatever else tax pays for. Okay thats a bit far, but still, its naive to think it should be banned. and when people say it goes into the health system to help smokers when or if they get sick, thats a load of crap, because it doesn't.
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Well I mean if you are going to pretend to give a shit, get to the core of the problem.
Thats all they are doing. Pretending to care about the health of smokers (and those around), while profiting from their addiction.
Either ban them or let them smoke.
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I guess their secretive yet obvious aim is a happy medium, keep the anti-smokers happy and thinking like shits being done, but keep raking in the dosh. It wont ever work, either the anti smokers will keep pushing, the pro smokers will keep bitching, or the people who aren't naive will sit back and watch the government dig themselves into a hole.
Blues Brother # 1
Im A smoker, I Dont force it upon anyone, but still some things have gone to far, before you know it will be limited to smoke only at home :-(, I Only smoke with smokers, if its band in a area i wont smoke, if kids are around & non smokers i will still go out of my to a decent spot
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do any of you smokers get those people who go out of their way to walk through your ploom just to pull their fake coughing fits? I don't get why they do it?
I was in frankston once, a woman did it, then gave me the dirtiest look like I was the devils offspring, she walks up the street 100m, and what does she do? Lights up.
Mind you she had a pram.
Banned
Its no different to the "hoon" problem.
The govt just gives the sheeple someone else to hate, and then pretend to fix the "problem". They bet on the fact that there is enough people that it doesn't bother for it too work, and then on the people that have to attach themselves to every cause.
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just like the gay stereotype :P?
kidding kidding, youre right.
people sound so ridiculously naive when they persist the government is doing 'good'.
theyll continue to do things that seem good, but wont drop revenue. everytime one of those anti smoking ads shows, the treasurer cringes, and not for the right reasons.
same situation with legalising marijuana, the only thing stopping them is because they have no idea how to tax it.
DVSVE
have you thought that maybe some people like to sit outside a cafe, rather than inside... dont need to be inhaling that toxic shit into our systems
Banned
EXACTLY.
Anyone who argues Marijuana is a horrible evil drug, is a fool. Alcohol causes more trouble then Marijuana ever has and yet we've no impending prohibition on that!.
Its obvious what the govt are up to regarding cigarettes. "How do we stop people smoking... Hmm that's a hard one... I KNOW!, We'll add more tax!, then everyone wins yeah? "
At the risk of being flamed, most Illicit drugs can be used safely (not all) if they're not cut with arse aids. Only way to ensure that is to regulate the production. Which will never happen because there's too many sheeple around who hear demon kiddy rapist every time someone says Cocain...
Why, do you want to get all that good exhaust fumes into your lungs instead?
clown...
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soop, spot on, spot on, spot on! i always love a chance to rip out this graph, without getting too illegal, it saves me when i talk about past 'times' to some 'straight edge' people who are okay with just drinking and give me a hard time, here it is:
Youll find LSD, ecstacy, khat etc etc all are less addictive and less damaging than alcohol or tobacco.
@DynoVE, have you ever though maybe some smokers like to sit inside a cafe, rather than outside in the cold, and dont like people fining them and giving them dirty looks?
my favourite line, when someone coughs at my smoking "hey, don't bitch, I'm the one who has to smoke it." rarely use it though :P
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and unless youre in a room day by day inhaling second hand smoke constantly, for years and years, youre at no risk of any damage other than a black eye from inhaling a little second hand smoke at a cafe.
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meh if you want to smoke smoke, I couldn't give a #### if you want to die from lung cancer, emphysemia or what not but keep your filthy habit to yourself not too hard. I despise selfish smokers that light up wherever and whenever they want makes me sick, its not hard to find somewhere suitable to smoke. If you can't sit down at a cafe and have a cuppa and some lunch or whatever without having a smoke you have problems.
makes me laugh we have a smoking ban outside are cafe strip over in Fremantle WA.All i hear when i walk by is dirty smokers from and all random crap from stuck up mild class wankers drinking there $5 and watch tracy grimshaw on ACA +
to top it all off they cant be no more than 3 feet from a main road with cars bump to bump pumping sh*t out there back end and right in there faces.
Great White Cranberry
I honestly dont care about the new smoking laws, im a non smoker and honestly hate it when ppl light up at non smoking events or in places that are just inconciderate of others.
I have no issue if you wanna smoke, go for gold but like everything there is a time and a place and that is not whenever and where ever you please
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My friend just got back from USA visiting his girlfriend, packet of smokes cost him $4. Another friend works in the army, she gets her smokes tax free for $3.80. I pay $15-17 for the same packet.
Probably cheaper to smoke weed these days, surprised the government doesnt have a foot in that already.
The government can't and wont step in a ban smoking ,the large amount tax that comes from smokes funds a fair bit amonut of the health system.All the adds on Tv are to just keep the left wing wankers happy end off.
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everybody dies. im going to dissect this because it doesnt make sense and is full of contradictions:
"but keep your filthy habit to yourself not too hard"
fair enough, but what is keeping it to myself? smoking in my own backyard and only in my backyard?
"wherever and whenever they want makes me sick, its not hard to find somewhere suitable to smoke."
Smoking at cafes and in an alley way is perfectly legal, and as this thread has panned out so far, thats what we do.
"If you can't sit down at a cafe and have a cuppa and some lunch or whatever without having a smoke you have problems."
The point in going for coffee isnt 'lets have a contest and see who can resist a cigarette long enough", its socialising, and as it happens, a cigarette to some is a leisurely and sociable item. Non-smokers never understand a nicotine addiction, I didnt either and thought it was pathetic, until I eventually became one myself. I can see from both points, its not easy.
The point is, i have never seen someone light up on the train or in a shopping centre, But being resented for smoking where it is allowed isn't fair.
You said keep it to yourself, i dont walk around shoving burning ciggys in peoples mouths, I am keeping it to myself by smoking where it is permitted, then you say about smoking at a cafe. Whenever and wherever is also a loose term.. Yes ill smoke when I please, but I always do so out of the way of a crowd and somewhere where it is permitted.
I don't get your point.
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where are all these 'you cant smoke where and when you please' stabs coming from?
Every person on ehre who has said they smoke had said they respect the law and go that little bit further to step away from the general crowd. You're preaching to the choir.
The original post was to say that the government is stripping rights of smokers further and further, which in turn is bad for the economy, not about filthy selfish smokers lighting up whenever they get the few seconds to pickup a cigarette and a lighter.
Donati..Whoa Green
Myself personally, I have nothing wrong with smokers, as long as they are respectful of others, like if we are out drinking, I will sit upwind, or if no wind than a couple of metres away, my mates understand, and are fine with it. Because I get some really bad and long headaches if I even inhale cigarette smoke for a minute, I keep my distance.
Recently the QLD government made it illegal to smoke in the Queens Street Mall, which for non Queenslanders is the main walkway/street in the city, and frankly I think that's fair, because there is no way to avoid inhaling smoke in a busy road. Smokers are crying unfair but really I like it.
Also a few years ago when they made it illegal to smoke in clubs I was as happy as pig in crap. Why, because I would go home with a more grey than white shirt, but mainly because there was always one mother-f'ing tosser who would purposely blow smoke in your face. Even non-smokers would agree that this act is f'ed, and downright rude.
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Yes but still, that isn;t what this post is about, I agree i dont like people smoking in my face and i dont like houses that smell like stale cigarettes. However, banning smoking in public shopping areas can have detrimental effects on economy and local businesses, and it has absolutely nothing to gain but a little more convenient for those who absolutely hate smoke.
Donati..Whoa Green
The truth is that even with the government continually reducing the amount of places that smokers are allowed to smoke will not reduce the amount of smokers, people will still smoke, and probably just as much. I can't see it having an effect on the economy or local business at all.
The only downside I have seen is the increase on smoke machine theft.
-Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994)
-Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian
-Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short Phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Ronald Reagan (1986)
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