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Anyone wonder what's in the Wikileaks insurance file?
Since the recent media hype around Wikileaks and its domain closure, If Julian Assange is arrested, I think he will release the passcode to the 'Insurance File' that was released with the Afghan War Diaries.
Anyone have any ideas of what might be in it? It's 1.4GB, pretty damn big.
If you don't know what it is, look here
Hmmm...
Originally Posted by CSP
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Bah! The guy's a moron and deserves to be locked up.... State secrets are state secrets for a reason. If they get out, people can die! I hope they catch and incarcerate everyone involved in the leaks.
Obviously Unsensible
he hasnt released all things he could.
he hasnt released things that have put lives directly in danger.
he has given the people information of things that some have been seeking.
maybe he should take tracy grimshaws spot on aca. atleast then we will get some interesting news that the media cannot get.
id be more interested in how he gets this information.
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Traitors...
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Only thing that shouldn't be made public is troop movements and such.
Other then that the govt can go root a boot.
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they dont announce troop movements do they?
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no, they just announced a 5 year war diary from the US armed forces (past information). and I wont voice my opinion on what it contained considering what happened last time I did.
He just runs the site, people anonymously leak information via the submissions page, and the people who run the site check it for veracity and validity before putting it up. Honestly, I like the whole idea, and I think he should run to Switzerland as fast as he can. However, I do want to know whats in the file, I really dont think its just bogus. Would be funny if it was though, US government is probably crapping themselves. I think he will be assassinated though before he releases the passcode, however. Shame
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the potential upcoming one about the banks in america will be interesting if it makes it out.
can't see how that'll impact troops or anything, just might send some white collar crooks down for underhanded dealings.
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I see nothing wrong with what hes doing, he isnt releasing anything that shows troop movements or could put any military in danger.
Only thing going on is all the dumb,stupid and embarassing things that the government has done being showed up
my 2c anyways
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Yep. The sooner the majority of people stop thinking the govt is their friends and do everything for the greater good the better.
Human beings are by nature corrupt and live to further themselves. Nothing has changed in three million years. We've just deluded ourselves into thinking we're better.
I like the attitude people had in the middle ages, "We're fugged up, but we don't care. I'll kill you if you argue with me".
At least they had enough respect for the people to not assume they're clinicaly retarded
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Ahh useful idiots galore.
The information in these files is very damaging. Why would we want china knowing what we really think of them etc? Wars have started for less.
If you think this information isn't damaging to diplomatic ties then you are also part of the useful idiot brigade.
Love how people with no clue on how governments operate behind the scenes think that some basic information should be available to all.
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+1 to minux.
Some of what has been released has been very embarrassing or inflammatory to other nations and as Minux said wars have started for a lot less. How much would you value the 'truth' about goverments if it sparked wars that killed your family or friends?
And how could such a relatively small team of people realistically look at so much data to be 100% certain that no information is made publically available that puts anyone's lives directly in danger.
As for the war diaries, a lot of useful information could be gleaned from the data in the war diaries to be used by terrorists or militants. For example it could be calculated as to what kind of roadside bombs cause the most deaths and/or damage so as to be more efficient at killing our troops with them. Or what tactics are used by allied troops when assaulting enemy positions so they can counter them better.
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I think it just goes to show what ########s we having running the world. Why the hell would you have such damaging shit documented in this day and age if kruddy wants to have a whinge to hilary clinton about China then why the hell does this need to be put into print? Honestly my 11 yr old daughter has more sense when it comes to keeping secrets, if its something you don't want everyone to know you don't say it in front of others and you don't go writing it down in notes because when it gets in the wrong hands you are screwed.
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Jules it is because of people who sup[port these leaks that notes are taken.
We want a transparent government...this is what happens with transparency...very dangerous times.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
- Theodor Seuss Geisel
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Bring back that kinda attitude! Least everyone knew where they stood.I like the attitude people had in the middle ages, "We're fugged up, but we don't care. I'll kill you if you argue with me".
At least they had enough respect for the people to not assume they're clinicaly retarded
As for spilling government secrets, what a dumb ass. He will most likely end up paying for it with his life or by losing his freedom. Even Palin wants him shot lol.
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I'm more interested in the Afghan war stuff. Most of the world knows why they're really there, democracy my ass, if they are eventually released hopefully they'll just prove what most people think. (even 2 soldiers i know serving there aren't deluding themselves). Some media now even concede what a sham the Iraq war was, its only a matter of time until the truth is officially out about the Afghan war.
When the afghan files were first released, i remember skimming over some of it, its truely horrific. I guess thats why the homeland security type bloke dished it out in the first place. He'll never see daylight again, and rightly so.
As for the economic relationship stuff thats out now, well thats not helping anyone...I love how the news stations on tv say how damaging it could all be to the world community, yet 99% of people wouldn't even know about it if they didn't run the story's.
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So cewing, why are we really in afghanistan eh? Please do not spill the oil line crap. Wikileaks has already proven Iraq had nothing to do with oil.
So what, pray tell are we doing their?
This should border on priceless no doubt.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
- Theodor Seuss Geisel
He will be assassinated before he could even make it to turn himself in...
I build websites for cheap.
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was on the news this morn.
they are right by saying he doesnt know what is significant or not "as such".
it is bad when someone will get hurt from it. or it is used to show weaknesses in delicate areas (etc which thing did more damage...)
the good thing is, it might start making people 2nd guess what they are saying and doing, before it gets out and everyone sees it.
wonder if he found out what was in all those trucks full of Brumby's government in vic.
Would show so many failures they have done, and prove what people have thought about those goings on.
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For the Kevin Rudd thing, if you're going to bitch about something that could be 'so damaging' you're an idiot for doing it in a traceable way.
Why are WE, Australia, in Afghanistan? God knows. What I do know, is that the US and its allies have accounted for more unjust civilian deaths than 9/11 ever will rake in.
"In 2007, documents detail how US special forces dropped six 2,000 lb bombs on a compound where they believed a “high-value individual” was hiding, after “ensuring there were no innocent Afghans in the surrounding area”. A senior U.S. commander reported that 150 Taliban had been killed. Locals, however, reported that up to 300 civilians had died." Why?
""The marines made a frenzied escape [from the scene of the bombing], opening fire with automatic weapons as they tore down a six-mile stretch of highway, hitting almost anyone in their way – teenage girls in the fields, motorists in their cars, old men as they walked along the road. Nineteen unarmed civilians were killed and 50 wounded." The military report of the incident (written by the same soldiers involved in it) later failed to make any reference to the deaths and injuries and none of the soldiers involved were charged or disciplined." Why??
"On 16 August 2007, Polish troops mortared the village of Nangar Khel, killing five people — including a pregnant woman and her baby — in what The Guardian describes as an apparent revenge attack shortly after experiencing an IED explosion." This sort of bullsh*t is not on, and I think its disgusting, especially how it was hidden.
Yes, the Taliban and al-Qaeda account for a sh*tload of deaths too, but that is no justification of what the US and allies have done, that isn't our problem, and there is no point doing the 10-year-old 'but he did it first, but he did it worse', because it will enevr ever justify it. A life is a life, regardless of who it is.
The Whitehouse and Pentagon originally accused Wikileaks of putting peoples lives at danger by releasing the Afghan war logs, however eventually realised that no intelligence or practices were compromised.
Putting peoples lives at danger, thats the excuse. If you don't want to put peoples lives at risk, this information should've never been recorded, and that isn't Wikileaks responsibility.
Last edited by lepht93; 07-12-2010 at 03:16 PM.
Haha that man must be crazy to run a site like that. Dont run against any government of course you're gonna get assasinated. Im surprised he's still here
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Dude, thats war. Innocent people die.
Has been going on for mellenia.
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No, this is different.
Opening fire on civilians bevause you're in a bad mood or for revenge is not okay, if you can't handle your emotions, dont enlist.
obviously rigorous checks aren't done to ensure civilian safety before the open fire or bomb, and yet, if there was a person of interest in a densely populated area here in Australia, imagine the guidelines and precautions we would take.
That's not on.
It's war, innocent people die? That kind of attitude isn't right. "Its a teenager, they'll hoon and kill someone, it happens." "It's war, people fly planes into buildings, it happens".
No, it doesn't just happen, and we have 100% control over what we do in these situations.
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That's because if he is assassinated, everyone will point the finger AT the government. More obvious corruption they do not need. That and if he is assassinated, out comes the passcode for the insurance file, aaand the site will still continue to run and update.
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No you're wrong.
Its not a bad mood its self preservation. You need to stop opening your mouth about things you have very little understanding of. What your saying s HIGHLY offensive. You've never been in the situation, were someone is trying to end your own life. That is very clear.
In an area like Iraw where you're not fighting a uniformed army but insurgents dressed as civilians in most part, innocent people are going to die. That's not the Soldiers fault. Its just a shit situation, they aren't doing it out of malice.
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